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You have a lot to learn young padawan. Cboat has been nailing details long before anyone could have guessed them for nearly a decade. And he's posted positive stuff too, there's just been a short supply of it for the Xbox One, which isn't really his fault.

He posts positive stuff sometimes of course, but I think people get annoyed with his teasing attitude toward negative info. I get the feeling he doesn't like his company very much (assuming he works for MS).
 

nib95

Banned
why thanks to the esram the xbox one is gonna have 720-900p titles?

ElTorro has a great post on it somewhere, but I cba to find it right now lol. Here's one that briefly answers it below.

No it doesn't, deferred rendering has larger frame buffers than whatever the old method was called (lol sorry I don't remember the name) It's not unusual for framebuffers with deferre rendering to hit 40-55mb without AA and up to 150mb with AA.
 

spannicus

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How many games are actually gonna be 1080 on both consoles? Do we know of any 1080 titles that are 100% 1080? Both consoles seem to be having a problem doing 1080 easily. Seems like the only way to get 1080 is to go PC route but what can we expect from such cheap consoles though?
 
You have a lot to learn young padawan. Cboat has been nailing details long before anyone could have guessed them for nearly a decade. And he's posted positive stuff too, there's just been a short supply of it for the Xbox One, which isn't really his fault.

Why didn't he know about Kinect not being mandatory anymore?
Or CPU and GPU Upclock?
Or about their Indie Policy which he blatantly got wrong?

Too many questions that need answers
 

JABEE

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I wonder why CBOAT only tends to bring bad news about the Xbone? Hidden agenda? He failed to leak any of the upclocks so I doubt he's near the engineering side. Would take what he says regarding hardware with a grain of salt.

You realize he leaked a ton of information about the 360 in 2005. I believe it was all accurate. Look at his post history. He's been doing this for awhile.
 

Averon

Member
Even if CBOAT leaks only bad news (which he doesn't), how does that take away the fact that what he leaks comes true ~95 percent of the time? As long as what he leaks actually comes to pass, why does it matter if it's good or bad news?
 

Neo Ankh

Neo Member
So now we're suppose to believe the xbone has already been maxed out before launch with Forza 5? I don't see how this would be possible.
 

Cragvis

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I wonder why CBOAT only tends to bring bad news about the Xbone? Hidden agenda? He failed to leak any of the upclocks so I doubt he's near the engineering side. Would take what he says regarding hardware with a grain of salt.

That is the whole point of a leak. You dont 'leak' good news. That is the job of marketing.
 

Demon Ice

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Upclocks shouldn't be a risk unless voltage was also raised. The upclocks are not big enough to cause issues related to RROD. RROD were hardware issues. If you try to force extra performance out of a power envelope that cannot support it, you get soft crashes.

That hardware issue was caused by too much heat production melting the solder on the motherboard.

Overclocking increases heat production.
 

Skeff

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Tell us more.

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Perfect. :)
 
Why didn't he know about Kinect not being mandatory anymore?
Or CPU and GPU Upclock?
Or about their Indie Policy which he blatantly got wrong?

Too many questions that need answers

...Because CBoaT probably doesn't know everything, and Microsoft kept things close to the chest?

Didn't he call one of those btw?
 

Daeva

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How many games are actually gonna be 1080 on both consoles? Do we know of any 1080 titles that are 100% 1080? Both consoles seem to be having a problem doing 1080 easily.

Every single PS4 game is going to be 1080p minus about 5-10% if the trend continues. I don't know how people can even be asking this question since GAF is overrun by the articles day in day out.
 

nib95

Banned
Why didn't he know about Kinect not being mandatory anymore?
Or CPU and GPU Upclock?
Or about their Indie Policy which he blatantly got wrong?

Too many questions that need answers

He doesn't leak every single detail and policy about the Xbox One lol. He rarely ever even posts. We're fortunate to get a single post from him every few months.

And if I was to hazard a guess as to why he didn't mention the above, it's probably because they were very last minute reactionary decisions from Microsoft that happened extremely late in the game, and were decided straight from the top.
 

Biker19

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Microsoft should've designed the Xbox One as a pure gaming machine first, & media second like Sony did with PS4.

If it's hard for them to get Native 1080p out of Xbox One due to lower specs right now, then it's gonna get worse for the console in later games years down the road from now.

PS4 is the one that gets screwed out of this though. Lowest common denominator.

Hate to break it to you, but most developers are gonna wind up developing games for either PC or PS4 first more so than Xbox One due to very easy architecture development, not because of "lower power."
 

Naminator

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You have a lot to learn young padawan. Cboat has been nailing details long before anyone could have guessed them for nearly a decade. And he's posted positive stuff too, there's just been a short supply of it for the Xbox One, which isn't really his fault.

Such as?

I'm genuinely curious.
 

x-Lundz-x

Member
How many games are actually gonna be 1080 on both consoles? Do we know of any 1080 titles that are 100% 1080? Both consoles seem to be having a problem doing 1080 easily. Seems like the only way to get 1080 is to go PC route but what can we expect from such cheap consoles though?

What does this even mean? The ps4 has more confirmed 1080p titles at this point.
 
I've personally been told to straight up lie to third parties before. I haven't been a developer long, but in my admittedly limited experience, it seems pretty common. I've worked with third parties before trying to get our systems to communicate only to have their manager go to my manager and tell bullshit stories about my work.

A development team is different from a product team.

There are things you don't tell 3rd-parties, ( like costing, budget, crazy-sensitive stuff that would cause significant damages, etc ), but generally, they know a lot, by virtue of crazy deadlines and the internal teams having to rely on 3rd-parties a lot to be able to meet product launch.

And having a strong reliance/constant working-together with 3rd parties means a ton of stuff gets shared that is more truthful than lies.

Truth, in this situation is because there are no other choice but to facilitate better teamwork. It's not a privilege.
 
Why didn't he know about Kinect not being mandatory anymore?
Or CPU and GPU Upclock?
Or about their Indie Policy which he blatantly got wrong?

Too many questions that need answers

People receive different information at different times.

Let's suppose CBOAT is a Microsoft employee. This doesn't mean he magically knows every single order that comes from management.

If he's part of the development staff, he just works on his own game / the system independently and hears things floating around once in a while from the developer community.

If he's not related to actual development, the capacity for him to know things is even less.

The only way that CBOAT would know absolutely everything is if he was in some kind of management position.
 
Why didn't he know about Kinect not being mandatory anymore?
Or CPU and GPU Upclock?
Or about their Indie Policy which he blatantly got wrong?

Too many questions that need answers

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Microsoft pretty much had no indie policy in place until just recently. I mean, it would make sense since there are you know, barely any indie games at launch or announced.
 

Skeff

Member
How many games are actually gonna be 1080 on both consoles? Do we know of any 1080 titles that are 100% 1080? Both consoles seem to be having a problem doing 1080 easily. Seems like the only way to get 1080 is to go PC route but what can we expect from such cheap consoles though?

Every PS4 game that has a confirmed reolution is 1920 x 1080. No game has a confirmed resolution below this except for the order which is 1920 x 800, which maintains 1:1 pixel mapping on a 1080p display.
 

Daeva

Banned
This whole LCD thing is so vastly overblown. These systems are much different than before and much closer to PC, where optimizations and little gfx flourishes are going to be very easy to add in.
 

Coolwhip

Banned
Why didn't he know about Kinect not being mandatory anymore?
Or CPU and GPU Upclock?
Or about their Indie Policy which he blatantly got wrong?

Too many questions that need answers

Their damage control probably isn't planned. It wouldnt surprise me if developers didnt even know about the small clock upgrades until the press release.
 
Microsoft should've designed the Xbox One as a pure gaming machine first, & media second like Sony did with PS4.

If it's hard for them to get Native 1080p out of Xbox One due to lower specs right now, then it's gonna get worse for the console in later games years down the road from now.



Hate to break it to you, but most developers are gonna wind up developing games for either PC or PS4 first more so than Xbox One due to very easy architecture development.

If you look at some of the smaller publishers and Kickstarters, they will all be making copies for the PC, PS3, PS4, Vita and Wii U, and pretty much NONE are on anything from MS.
 

Gonff

Banned
No it doesn't, deferred rendering has larger frame buffers than whatever the old method was called (lol sorry I don't remember the name) It's not unusual for framebuffers with deferre rendering to hit 40-55mb without AA and up to 150mb with AA.

I can't get into detail without giving up what I do, which I can't do. So I'll just concede. I honestly should have never brought that up if I could not reliably defend it. For that I apologize
 

spannicus

Member
Every single PS4 game is going to be 1080p minus about 5-10% if the trend continues. I don't know how people can even be asking this question since GAF is overrun by the articles day in day out.

Ok every Ps4 game roger that. Minus the 5-10% dont really make it my point to worry about all that shit is why I didnt know that. 1080 is the last thing im worried about shit people are playing and have been playing lower res games and still had an awesome experience. To me thats all that really matters.
 
That hardware issue was caused by too much heat production melting the solder on the motherboard.

Overclocking increases heat production.

Voltage increases create much more heat than a small overclock but provide more stability to the overclock. The overclocks are small, therefore we assume there isn't a change in voltage and not much of a heat increase.
 
Sigh...it's so difficult right now to be an Xbox fan. Really, I'm more of a Halo fan than anything. But as stalwart as I have been up until this point, I'm really thinking of at least canceling my pre-order and waiting things out for a bit to see how things shake out. I kind of don't have the money for it anyway.

Sad panda. :(

It's mostly discouraging news for anyone who has enough money to easily buy both consoles.

On the one hand, I think it's good that MS is getting burned for bad business and design choices (what better way to forestall similar decisions in the future?), but I certainly can't be happy about it like a lot of the Sony sychophants on this forum.

I wish it hadn't happened at all because a) competition almost always is a good thing and b) I like several of Microsoft's exclusives. The whole thing is a bummer, but I'm definitely leaning in the direction of dropping my Xbox One preorder. Sony's launch lineup seems underwhelming, but Killzone and a few 3rd party titles should do the trick.
 

Gonff

Banned
A development team is different from a product team.

There are things you don't tell 3rd-parties, ( like costing, budget, crazy-sensitive stuff that would cause significant damages, etc ), but generally, they know a lot, by virtue of crazy deadlines and the internal teams having to rely on 3rd-parties a lot to be able to meet product launch.

And having a strong reliance/constant working-together with 3rd parties means a ton of stuff gets shared that is more truthful than lies.

Truth, in this situation is because there are no other choice but to facilitate better teamwork. It's not a privilege.

I'm on a development team.
 

VanWinkle

Member
Decisions can change art he last minute, so even if he was right "only" 95% of the time! I think it would be crazy to doubt he's legit. It actually kind of blows my mind that there are still people trying to discredit him.
 

Guevara

Member
My pet theory is the MS gave the approval for the Xbox 720 program late, and only with some serious strings attached.

What we know:

This isn't a game console, it's the culmination of Ballmer's vision for Microsoft:
  1. It expands the Windows 8/Windows Phone/Surface ecosystem (probably meant to save the latter two).
  2. It is an advertising goldmine and execs can't conceal their glee. Microsoft has been watching Google and Apple's advances here with palpable envy. 80M users (or 49M gold) would be a nice advantage.
  3. It is a new means of interacting with computers, using Kinect everywhere. So of course it is mandatory here. Dat business/consumer synergy. MS seriously believes your next computer might have Kinect as an alternate control scheme.
None of these things require much hardware power, all of them (I am speculating) were forced on the Xbox One before serious design could even begin. It was always hamstrung, and it is the product of some serious horse trading behind the scenes.

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That Microsoft bought a game from Platinum, I think?

Ahhhh yes. I think it wasn't outright said Platinum, right? Just big Japanese dev? And that it wasn't DR3?

Also I vote Gonff admits who he is and then immediately does a hurricanrana to someone for no reason :p
 

stryke

Member
I wonder why CBOAT only tends to bring bad news about the Xbone? Hidden agenda? He failed to leak any of the upclocks so I doubt he's near the engineering side. Would take what he says regarding hardware with a grain of salt.

Companies don't hold back good news from the public. Use some common sense.

He has praised whatever black tusk is working if you care so much.
 
That is the whole point of a leak. You dont 'leak' good news. That is the job of marketing.

The thing is he vehemently denied these upclock rumors which is proof that he wasn't privy to the information and his tone in this post is so sour. He definitely dislikes who he works for.
 
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