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[walking fiend]

Anyone having any doubt that X1 will be a clusterfuck is just crazy.

Has there been any sign pointing to it NOT being a messed up launch?

 

[FinalStageBoss]

MS should have just released it next year.

 

[x-Lundz-x]

So, it's not fully reliable.

Thanks, you agree with me.

Lol, wow some of you guys.

 

[BronsonLee]

So, it's not fully reliable.

Thanks, you agree with me.

Hmm? Not particularly. It's a 90% or so reliability rate, which in terms of leaks is fucking ridiculous. That's some pretty impressive m-

DEM MENTAL GYMNASTICS

...Always late to the party, I am.

But yeah you're full of it. This is basically as good as it gets from a news leak standpoint.

 

[FaintColt388301]

How funny would it be if CBOAT is really just Adam Orth and he no longer has insider info

 

[Trigger]

It's always the young gaffers who heavily doubt CBOAT.

You think he just started posting rumors only about XBone?

Dude has been with GAF like a decade, rarely ever posts, but when he does we listen. Why? Because his rumor mill has a very very high accuracy rate.

You've been paid off by Sony too!

 

[SicSemperTyrannis]

Why is everyone pointing out BTM as being "salty"? I read his statement as a for real plea to keep ratting out the company that pays him :/

 

[eddfromtheriver]

I dread the sure to come tech twisting statements out of the MS's PR people, and DF articles by Leadbetter.

 

[Instro]

I wonder why CBOAT only tends to bring bad news about the Xbone? Hidden agenda? He failed to leak any of the upclocks so I doubt he's near the engineering side. Would take what he says regarding hardware with a grain of salt.

He's posted positive Xbone before.

 

[reptilescorpio]

Can someone post links to the things he's gotten exactly right? I don't care about general ideas that are safe guesses. I mean specific information that isn't very easy to guess.

Check his post history. Going back years he has been giving out NPD information, as well as teasing Remember Me and Dead Rising 3 a year or so before their reveals (also the whole Dead Space 3 bro shooter thing).

 

[CaptainGyro]

I'm a cboat skeptic myself, so it's not like I'm intentionally trying to spread misinformation. IMO, his credibility has slipped since E3, and the nature of his posts makes him seem a bit like a playground bully, so I doubt I'll ever be a cboat follower like some here. .

How are his posts " a bit like a playground bully"?

 

[Garrett 2U]

Trying to dismiss his information as false when he gets things wrong very... very rarely, and works for Microsoft using a "rumor" about Sony (a company he doesn't work for) isn't going to work very well.

I was responding directly to the statement that CBOAT was accurate in saying PS4 was going to launch before the Xbone, by pointing out he had the wrong month.
I wasn't dismissing CBOAT at all, and later said

Of course, his word is certainly pretty reliable.
I wasn't trying to discredit him completely, he's been spot on many times.

Calm down.

 

[Mutanthands]

My pet theory is the MS gave the approval for the Xbox 720 program late, and only with some serious strings attached.

What we know:

• We know Microsoft is planning a cookie-alternative to track users across PCs, mobile and notable the Xbox
• Yusuf Mehdi let it slip that the goal is advertising unified across those devices
• This thing is built for apps, really gaming is almost just another app, like TV
• Kinect is mandatory, many of us have speculated that Kinect is the input to control these apps. It may even run modified Windows 8, or Windows Phone apps, using Kinect for controls of course
• On the flip side, Kinect for Business is being pitched as serious commercial product that can do everything from a glorified camera to a complete input device

This isn't a game console, it's the culmination of Ballmer's vision for Microsoft:

1. It expands the Windows 8/Windows Phone/Surface ecosystem (probably meant to save the latter two).
2. It is an advertising goldmine and execs can't conceal their glee. Microsoft has been watching Google and Apple's advances here with palpable envy. 80M users (or 49M gold) would be a nice advantage.
3. It is a new means of interacting with computers, using Kinect everywhere. So of course it is mandatory here. Dat business/consumer synergy. MS seriously believes your next computer might have Kinect as an alternate control scheme.

None of these things require much hardware power, all of them (I am speculating) were forced on the Xbox One before serious design could even begin. It was always hamstrung, and it is the product of some serious horse trading behind the scenes.

That is probably a fair assessment. I wouldn't doubt that the XBone was hamstrung from the word go, by Ballmer and hostile divisions within Microsoft.

Allard wouldn't have let this happen. He would make sure that the gaming side of things kept up, even when having to deal with the excess baggage dumped on them from the rest of the company. Mattrick was content to go underpowered, and now it's just going to make things harder for them for the rest of the generation.

 

[BTM]

Why is everyone pointing out BTM as being "salty"? I read his statement as a for real plea to keep ratting out the company that pays him :/

Welcome to my salt kingdom.

 

[ramb0211]

what would be your explanation for a lack of 1080p games for xbone? (Ryse, KI..)

I'm not working for any developers, but I'd imagine it's because Microsoft knows it doesn't matter anywhere except message boards like this one and least of all for sales.

 

[Desaan]

Xbox One: Jack of all trades, master of fuck all.

I can already smell the burning.

 

[famousmortimer]

I can back the boat up on a few of his points.

The story out of nearly every person I know in the industry, outside of Sony (as Sony employees wouldn't know this), is that the February reveal of the PS4 was a jab to the face of Microsoft.

They had no idea that Sony was as far along as they were. They had no idea that Sony had better specs. They had no idea (nor did we) that they were also behind in RAM. The stories are second hand from third party people who talk to people at MS but they all have said the same thing... Microsoft was coasting along looking at late 13 / early 14 release and thought they had the upper hand on Sony who was only now just starting to make money on the PS3 and would be behind them, most likely holiday '14.

This doesn't explain every misstep along the way, of course, a lot of them were just bad decisions from within. But if someone writes a book about this upcoming generation I think there will be some interesting stories from inside Microsoft about their reaction to the PS4 reveal.

 

[allan-bh]

cboat apart, 1080p not a rule sounds obvious to me, and I think PS4 will have alot games sub FullHD too.

About upclock, I honestly don't see how the modest gains may compromise the hardware, unless the hardware had issues with original cloks.

 

[co1onel]

It's always the young gaffers who heavily doubt CBOAT.

You think he just started posting rumors only about XBone?

Dude has been with GAF like a decade, rarely ever posts, but when he does we listen. Why? Because his rumor mill has a very very high accuracy rate.

You should see how people react to him on other boards. Mostly everyone immediately marks it as a joke.

Granted if you didn't know his history, it would only be sane to do so given his writing.

 

[shem935]

Welcome to my salt kingdom.

Im sensing an iconic tag in your future

 

[maplelord93]

CBOAT dun goofed with that ps4 date, should have stuck to his area of expertise

 

[njean777]

I'm not working for any developers, but I'd imagine it's because Microsoft knows it doesn't matter anywhere except message boards like this one and least of all for sales.

It can matter from word of mouth, I mean these people on this board have people that probably ask them about their opinions on gaming machines with intent to purchase one. So yes it can matter.

 

[Garrett 2U]

I can back the boat up on a few of his points.

The story out of nearly every person I know in the industry, outside of Sony (as Sony employees wouldn't know this), is that the February reveal of the PS4 was a jab to the face of Microsoft.

They had no idea that Sony was as far along as they were. They had no idea that Sony had better specs. They had no idea (nor did we) that they were also behind in RAM. The stories are second hand from third party people who talk to people at MS but they all have said the same thing... Microsoft was coasting along looking at late 13 / early 14 release and thought they had the upper hand on Sony who was only now just starting to make money on the PS3 and would be behind them, most likely holiday '14.

This doesn't explain every misstep along the way, of course, a lot of them were just bad decisions from within. But if someone writes a book about this upcoming generation I think there will be some interesting stories from inside Microsoft about their reaction to the PS4 reveal.

Soooo.. Xbone is launching right on time?
Interesting they they might have been so far off on their spec estimates for PS4 tho.

Maybe they were expecting Sony to pack in PS Eye which would even out the price differential a fair bit.

 

[Gorillaz]

My pet theory is the MS gave the approval for the Xbox 720 program late, and only with some serious strings attached.

What we know:

• We know Microsoft is planning a cookie-alternative to track users across PCs, mobile and notable the Xbox
• Yusuf Mehdi let it slip that the goal is advertising unified across those devices
• This thing is built for apps, really gaming is almost just another app, like TV
• Kinect is mandatory, many of us have speculated that Kinect is the input to control these apps. It may even run modified Windows 8, or Windows Phone apps, using Kinect for controls of course
• On the flip side, Kinect for Business is being pitched as serious commercial product that can do everything from a glorified camera to a complete input device

This isn't a game console, it's the culmination of Ballmer's vision for Microsoft:

1. It expands the Windows 8/Windows Phone/Surface ecosystem (probably meant to save the latter two).
2. It is an advertising goldmine and execs can't conceal their glee. Microsoft has been watching Google and Apple's advances here with palpable envy. 80M users (or 49M gold) would be a nice advantage.
3. It is a new means of interacting with computers, using Kinect everywhere. So of course it is mandatory here. Dat business/consumer synergy. MS seriously believes your next computer might have Kinect as an alternate control scheme.

None of these things require much hardware power, all of them (I am speculating) were forced on the Xbox One before serious design could even begin. It was always hamstrung, and it is the product of some serious horse trading behind the scenes.

CBOAT is pepe silvia

 

[nib95]

I can back the boat up on a few of his points.

The story out of nearly every person I know in the industry, outside of Sony (as Sony employees wouldn't know this), is that the February reveal of the PS4 was a jab to the face of Microsoft.

They had no idea that Sony was as far along as they were. They had no idea that Sony had better specs. They had no idea (nor did we) that they were also behind in RAM. The stories are second hand from third party people who talk to people at MS but they all have said the same thing... Microsoft was coasting along looking at late 13 / early 14 release and thought they had the upper hand on Sony who was only now just starting to make money on the PS3 and would be behind them, most likely holiday '14.

This doesn't explain every misstep along the way, of course, a lot of them were just bad decisions from within. But if someone writes a book about this upcoming generation I think there will be some interesting stories from inside Microsoft about their reaction to the PS4 reveal.

Thanks for the clarification. But yea, writing is on the wall. I think Microsoft being caught off guard by Sony is a pretty logical assumption at this point.

Having said that, late 13 would still be on schedule, but based off the stories about Microsoft being behind on development, policies, et all, I think 2014 would have been the safer bet.

 

[CLEEK]

My pet theory is the MS gave the approval for the Xbox 720 program late, and only with some serious strings attached.

What we know:

• We know Microsoft is planning a cookie-alternative to track users across PCs, mobile and notable the Xbox
• Yusuf Mehdi let it slip that the goal is advertising unified across those devices
• This thing is built for apps, really gaming is almost just another app, like TV
• Kinect is mandatory, many of us have speculated that Kinect is the input to control these apps. It may even run modified Windows 8, or Windows Phone apps, using Kinect for controls of course
• On the flip side, Kinect for Business is being pitched as serious commercial product that can do everything from a glorified camera to a complete input device

This isn't a game console, it's the culmination of Ballmer's vision for Microsoft:

1. It expands the Windows 8/Windows Phone/Surface ecosystem (probably meant to save the latter two).
2. It is an advertising goldmine and execs can't conceal their glee. Microsoft has been watching Google and Apple's advances here with palpable envy. 80M users (or 49M gold) would be a nice advantage.
3. It is a new means of interacting with computers, using Kinect everywhere. So of course it is mandatory here. Dat business/consumer synergy. MS seriously believes your next computer might have Kinect as an alternate control scheme.

None of these things require much hardware power, all of them (I am speculating) were forced on the Xbox One before serious design could even begin. It was always hamstrung, and it is the product of some serious horse trading behind the scenes.

Yeah, nailed it.

If you look at the direction MS has taken the 360 in the final years of its life, there have been a few constants:

• Kinect
• Apps
• Ads
• Adoption of Win8 UI
• Blockbuster AAA events

The writing was on the wall for a long time that MS vision for the next Xbox would be an evolution of the above. The key for me was with the firmware update that introduced the Metro/Modern UI, and the Games section was relegated to the end of the list. More than any PR statements, that spoke volumes about MS's view of gaming.

The next Xbox was always going to be a Windows 8 based entertainment device that also played games. I had assumed the it would be powerful enough to mean that if you just cared about gaming, you'd still be well catered for. But MS obviously had different ideas. Since the PS4 reveal, they realised they've dun goofed in how important games are to, er, gamers, and are now in panic mode to claw some reputation back.

The really really fucking stupid thing is that the early adopter market for the new Xbox will be gamers. You're not going to buy a $500 box to use apps, or stream media. You're going to buy it to play next gen games. But MS in their infinite wisdom decided to alienate the very market they need for their new console to succeed.

Compare this to Sony, who since the PS4 reveal have had all their PR focused on one thing, and one thing only:

• Games

 

[travisbickle]

CBOAT dun goofed with that ps4 date, should have stuck to his area of expertise

He didn't goof. He works within MS, and they were estimating a launch date for the PS4.

 

[njean777]

Thanks for the clarification. But yea, writing is on the wall. I think Microsoft being caught off guard by Sony is a pretty logical assumption at this point.

I think it it very apparent as well, everything from them seems rushed beyond the normal rushing you see with products.

 

[Chezzymann]

Check his post history. Going back years he has been giving out NPD information, as well as teasing Remember Me and Dead Rising 3 a year or so before their reveals (also the whole Dead Space 3 bro shooter thing).

I heard that a lot of his posts were archived to make him seem more accurate. Is that true?

 

[scytherage]

Simple translations: All early adopters are going to be willing beta testers. Best version of the hardware in two years.

This applies to Sony too, take note.

Yeah, I'm bitter after the last one.

 

[fallagin]

Yes.

Also, since CBOAT says "this place is nuts"; is he indirectly confirming that he works for MS (or has this been known before)?

Seems like it, unless he is maybe talking about a manufacturing plant? Who knows.

 

[TheD]

I'd say both. Self publishing is huge. Plus the fact that the PS4 is a Unix machine with normal (relatively) x86 architecture parts and of course PCs, should make development much easier than most. If the Vita is based on Unix/Linux (not sure), it should be easy to make as well. Same goes with the Wii U.

It can not be Linux.

 

[Salex_]

cboat apart, 1080p not a rule sounds obvious to me, and I think PS4 will have alot games sub FullHD too.

About upclock, I honestly don't see how the modest gains may compromise the hardware, unless the hardware had issues with original cloks.

Sony too!™

 

[hawk2025]

I can back the boat up on a few of his points.

The story out of nearly every person I know in the industry, outside of Sony (as Sony employees wouldn't know this), is that the February reveal of the PS4 was a jab to the face of Microsoft.

They had no idea that Sony was as far along as they were. They had no idea that Sony had better specs. They had no idea (nor did we) that they were also behind in RAM. The stories are second hand from third party people who talk to people at MS but they all have said the same thing... Microsoft was coasting along looking at late 13 / early 14 release and thought they had the upper hand on Sony who was only now just starting to make money on the PS3 and would be behind them, most likely holiday '14.

This doesn't explain every misstep along the way, of course, a lot of them were just bad decisions from within. But if someone writes a book about this upcoming generation I think there will be some interesting stories from inside Microsoft about their reaction to the PS4 reveal.

I still can't believe that the PS4 reveal came out of damn nowhere. It's pretty amazing to think about.

One day, we all saw a "Tune in February 20th for the future of Playstation" tease, and the rest is history.

Underestimating the company that blew up the industry with the PS1 and PS2 was a terrible mistake, regardless of how they felt about the company's finances and its performance with the PS3.

 

[reKon]

So, it's not fully reliable.

Thanks, you agree with me.

i just don't...

 

[maplelord93]

He didn't goof. He works within MS, and they were estimating a launch date for the PS4.

they estimated he was passing it as a fact, there is a reason why he admitted his mistake.

 

[I-hate-u]

I can back the boat up on a few of his points.

The story out of nearly every person I know in the industry, outside of Sony (as Sony employees wouldn't know this), is that the February reveal of the PS4 was a jab to the face of Microsoft.

They had no idea that Sony was as far along as they were. They had no idea that Sony had better specs. They had no idea (nor did we) that they were also behind in RAM. The stories are second hand from third party people who talk to people at MS but they all have said the same thing... Microsoft was coasting along looking at late 13 / early 14 release and thought they had the upper hand on Sony who was only now just starting to make money on the PS3 and would be behind them, most likely holiday '14.

This doesn't explain every misstep along the way, of course, a lot of them were just bad decisions from within. But if someone writes a book about this upcoming generation I think there will be some interesting stories from inside Microsoft about their reaction to the PS4 reveal.

Needs to happen. This year imo is probably the biggest year in gaming in terms of shockers. I would love to know the reactions internally within the big 3.

 

[Biker19]

I think PS4 will have alot games sub FullHD too.

Not really (though some 3rd party developers will). At the very least, PC developers will most likely port the PC versions of the game over to PS4 for Native 1080p.

Heck, Square-Enix is doing that with Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn already.

 

[simplythebest]

Eh, I'm betting Gonff probably used the work email to verify. I doubt it's a big deal.

But ya CBoaT saying anything is surprising. Figured that deal was over until next year.



I really just wanted to see someone try a wrestling move on an unsuspecting person

Done and done.

 

[IN&OUT]

I can back the boat up on a few of his points.

The story out of nearly every person I know in the industry, outside of Sony (as Sony employees wouldn't know this), is that the February reveal of the PS4 was a jab to the face of Microsoft.

They had no idea that Sony was as far along as they were. They had no idea that Sony had better specs. They had no idea (nor did we) that they were also behind in RAM. The stories are second hand from third party people who talk to people at MS but they all have said the same thing... Microsoft was coasting along looking at late 13 / early 14 release and thought they had the upper hand on Sony who was only now just starting to make money on the PS3 and would be behind them, most likely holiday '14.

This doesn't explain every misstep along the way, of course, a lot of them were just bad decisions from within. But if someone writes a book about this upcoming generation I think there will be some interesting stories from inside Microsoft about their reaction to the PS4 reveal.

I would give $10,000 just to be inside MS HQ during Feb reveal. Imagine their faces, hilarious

 

[ramb0211]

It can matter from word of mouth, I mean these people on this board have people that probably ask them about their opinions on gaming machines with intent to purchase one. So yes it can matter.

Well yea if the people giving advice on which console to buy are doing so based only on which platform runs games at higher resolution then it would matter. I usually try to take my friends' tastes into account as that's why they're asking me and not somebody who doesn't know what they like. Most of the people on here probably aren't close-minded enough to evangelize for one platform for something so silly, and Microsoft isn't going to reach those people regardless of what they do anyways.

 

[allan-bh]

Neither was microsoft pr....your point?

My point already been made.

And I find funny how people leave believing everything this guy says. I don't know this guy agenda, what interest he have behind this and the source of his informations.

 

[Neo Ankh]

It seems logical for Microsoft to be surprised by Sony on the RAM situation. From what has been said Sony themselves weren't sure what they were going to go with until very close to the unveiling.

 

[reptilescorpio]

I heard that a lot of his posts were archived to make him seem more accurate. Is that true?

No, at the very least his last 3 years of posts have been very accurate. These last few months he has been posting a LOT more than in the past, as well as overreaching into Sony related stuff (which he admitted was a bad decision as he didn't have concrete sources on that stuff).

 

[HomerSimpson-Man]

You should see how people react to him on other boards. Mostly everyone immediately marks it as a joke.

Granted if you didn't know his history, it would only be sane to do so given his writing.

That is true. It does make GAF feel all the more special in these ways. I certainly remember the first time years ago trying to comprehend his inapplicable user name for the first time.

 

[Radec]

Im sensing an iconic tag in your future

The word "Banned" doesn't seem iconic. More like "forget that I ever existed" thing.

 

[Mobius and pet octopus]

I would give $10,000 just to be inside MS HQ during Feb reveal. Imagine their faces, hilarious

I'd imagine they were at home ya know because life

 

[Honey Bunny]

I can back the boat up on a few of his points.

The story out of nearly every person I know in the industry, outside of Sony (as Sony employees wouldn't know this), is that the February reveal of the PS4 was a jab to the face of Microsoft.

They had no idea that Sony was as far along as they were. They had no idea that Sony had better specs. They had no idea (nor did we) that they were also behind in RAM. The stories are second hand from third party people who talk to people at MS but they all have said the same thing... Microsoft was coasting along looking at late 13 / early 14 release and thought they had the upper hand on Sony who was only now just starting to make money on the PS3 and would be behind them, most likely holiday '14.

This doesn't explain every misstep along the way, of course, a lot of them were just bad decisions from within. But if someone writes a book about this upcoming generation I think there will be some interesting stories from inside Microsoft about their reaction to the PS4 reveal.

I'd be more interested in that book than I am in any next gen game right now

 

[Demon Ice]

So, it's not fully reliable.

Thanks, you agree with me.

My god.

Even the German judge is impressed by the mental backflips.

The sheer desperation of CBOAT deniers is so humorous.

 

[eddfromtheriver]

My pet theory is the MS gave the approval for the Xbox 720 program late, and only with some serious strings attached.

What we know:

• We know Microsoft is planning a cookie-alternative to track users across PCs, mobile and notable the Xbox
• Yusuf Mehdi let it slip that the goal is advertising unified across those devices
• This thing is built for apps, really gaming is almost just another app, like TV
• Kinect is mandatory, many of us have speculated that Kinect is the input to control these apps. It may even run modified Windows 8, or Windows Phone apps, using Kinect for controls of course
• On the flip side, Kinect for Business is being pitched as serious commercial product that can do everything from a glorified camera to a complete input device

This isn't a game console, it's the culmination of Ballmer's vision for Microsoft:

1. It expands the Windows 8/Windows Phone/Surface ecosystem (probably meant to save the latter two).
2. It is an advertising goldmine and execs can't conceal their glee. Microsoft has been watching Google and Apple's advances here with palpable envy. 80M users (or 49M gold) would be a nice advantage.
3. It is a new means of interacting with computers, using Kinect everywhere. So of course it is mandatory here. Dat business/consumer synergy. MS seriously believes your next computer might have Kinect as an alternate control scheme.

None of these things require much hardware power, all of them (I am speculating) were forced on the Xbox One before serious design could even begin. It was always hamstrung, and it is the product of some serious horse trading behind the scenes.

If that's so then... *runs and barfs profusely*