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These threads are so entertaining. Seriously, I don't know how GAF will keep the quality of entertainment this high once the consoles are actually out.

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We will have then real numbers from Digital Foundry :D
 
With parity, can ms mandate for devs to dumb down the ps4 version?

They can refuse a port of a game on the X-Box One to try and bully the publisher into enforcing parity, but the problem is that it's only a tangible threat if they have a significant lead in market share. As an example, if Nintendo tried to do this with the Wii U right now - and you almost couldn't blame them, with the way publishers are stripping features out of Wii U ports - the publisher would simply laugh at them and tell them to enjoy having one less game on their system.

If Sony ends up with the larger installed user base - which seems very likely, at the moment - then there's very little Microsoft can do to compel parity. There would be more money to potentially be lost in upsetting Sony (due to higher sales being all but guaranteed on the PS4) than Microsoft, meaning that Microsoft would have to not only pay them enough to risk losing the lion's share of their retail, but potentially souring their relationship with the console holder that has greater market share; not likely.

They'd be better off moneyhatting for exclusives than trying to moneyhat parity. The returns are enormously better and there are tons of developers like Platinum who really can't resist a hand-out, whereas few publishers with the money to develop AAA multiplatform releases are bought off cheaply.
 

QaaQer

Member
I'm with you, developers aims for mass market. But maybe this time PCs will get more and better ports due to these pc-architectured new consoles. Devs will have to spent more money to make next-gen games, so they will want to port to every platform possible to recover investments. Then PC gaming could be more promiment than today.

The thing worries some of us is, how soon will get next-gen consoles outdated?

I know about how dumb is comparing just flops, but 5,6 Tflops on top PC GPU PC at same launch window than 1,8 and 1,3 Tflops consoles sounds too much raw difference. How much will be the difference on 2016? and how powerful will be the consoles comparing to the most common graphic card in steam monthly survey? Consoles are now at 28nm. Maybe manufacture process improvements will be slower now, but TSMC roadmap shows 16nm on 2014 and 10nm on 2016. Nvidia roadmap shows Vertical stacked RAM (1TB/s) around 2016. Powerful IPC 8 core cpus are around the corner.

So in just 3 years from now PCs will be way way more powerful, meanwhile consoles will struggle to get 60fps at 1080p. With some exception, PC ports will look worse than they should. One thing is create a PC game with video options from low to ultra and another is create a PC game from scratch with a powerful hardware base.

most people forget that the majority of PCs are going to have less power than ps4 for a few more years. It's not just consoles holding back development, but people using their $600 computers for 5+ years.
 
Even if you can't take things as gospel, it doesn't make sense that Devs who could do such amazing things with last gen hardware will not even be able to reach 1080p at all.

Especially when one dev has already succeeded.

The sensible thing to do would be to expect improvements, on launch title quality, not the opposite.

If he was referring to multiplats and Devs not wanting to spend money on properly optimizing for each platform (especially early on when production costs for simply making a next gen game are already a bump in costs) then okay I could see that happening.


Reaching 1080p is not hard. Reaching 1080p with the same level of visual fidelity is.

Besides, im not convince Microsoft is as good at retaining studio talent as Sony seems to be. Its not the name of the dev that makes a game good, its the people or rather the team, working on the title.
 

mocoworm

Member
This was posted on Reddit:

XboxUncut on Reddit said:
Is this some kind of joke?
CBoat has been wrong about a ton of stuff lately.
ESRAM Yield Issues? Wrong
Downclock? Wrong
Games to look worse than at E3? Wrong
Mirror's Edge and Prince of Persia at Microsoft E3? Wrong
1- Hour family share? Wrong
PS4 launching in October? Wrong
Xbox One won't have indie titles? Wrong
Platinum Games exclusive announced at TGS for XOne? Wrong

Is the above post correct? What is the %age of hits to misses that CBOAT gets ?

I personally have no problems getting an XONE at launch. If there are hardware issues, warranty will cover it and there are loads of games I don't want to miss out on. Just because it will not be as technically advanced as PS4 does not mean it will be bad. It will look amazing. I will also have a PS4 so I can choose which platform to play a particular game on when I read the reviews.
 
I love these threads. NeoGaf is a really unique place, and this thread is a great example of why.

On topic, that 32mb of esram is what is saving but holding the console back from hitting full HD it seems. Microsoft fucked up. It's amazing to think of the original product they were trying to shift on people, and even with all the 180's, they are still not getting it.

They are really just spraying colognes on a turd at this point. If anything close to Red Ring happens to the system, say goodbye to the Xbox division as we know it.
 

QaaQer

Member
This was posted on Reddit:



Is the above post correct? What is the %age of hits to misses that CBOAT gets ?

I'm sure someone will correct those. I'll just add that reddit has no real moderation because membership is completely open, astroturfing works great there.
 

Binabik15

Member
That crazy boat.

Man, if all this turns out to be true it makes the stories about MS being super confident and high fiving after the Feb reveal even funnier than the 180s.
 

Bishop89

Member
They can refuse a port of a game on the X-Box One to try and bully the publisher into enforcing parity, but the problem is that it's only a tangible threat if they have a significant lead in market share. As an example, if Nintendo tried to do this with the Wii U right now - and you almost couldn't blame them, with the way publishers are stripping features out of Wii U ports - the publisher would simply laugh at them and tell them to enjoy having one less game on their system.

If Sony ends up with the larger installed user base - which seems very likely, at the moment - then there's very little Microsoft can do to compel parity. There would be more money to potentially be lost in upsetting Sony (due to higher sales being all but guaranteed on the PS4) than Microsoft, meaning that Microsoft would have to not only pay them enough to risk losing the lion's share of their retail, but potentially souring their relationship with the console holder that has greater market share; not likely.

They'd be better off moneyhatting for exclusives than trying to moneyhat parity. The returns are enormously better and there are tons of developers like Platinum who really can't resist a hand-out, whereas few publishers with the money to develop AAA multiplatform releases are bought off cheaply.
thanks for clearing things up :)
 

GribbleGrunger

Dreams in Digital
I don't see whats so funny. He's just name-calling and posting nothing of value whatsoever. Kind of the shit you'd quickly get banned for on here.

He posted a lengthy reply that went with that pic ... and why didn't anyone tell me it's a bannable offence to post pics like that on here?! I'm sure I've seen worse pics/gifs than that. Or are you perhaps trying to open a new narrative?
 

Sethos

Banned
I wouldn't even dream of getting a launch Xbox One at this point. I'd probably just wait a turn because it sounds like Microsoft are headed towards a wall.
 

Derpcrawler

Member
That crazy boat.

Man, if all this turns out to be true it makes the stories about MS being super confident and high fiving after the Feb reveal even funnier than the 180s.

What stories? I thought they were scared shitless after announcement due to difference in specs.
 
Is the above post correct? What is the %age of hits to misses that CBOAT gets ?

Yield issues : Unproven. Denied by MS, of course.
Downclock : This didn't belong to CBOAT.
Games to look worse : We barely saw any games actually running on Xbox. And everything points to stuff actually being worse. Ryse 900p. KI3 720p. Titanfall not likely to be 1080p. etc.
Mirror's Edge/POP : ME did appear, just not at MS event. POP was admittedly wrong on his end.
Family Share : Wrong by virtue of it being completely scrapped, so lol.
PS4 launch : Proven wrong.
Indie titles : CBOAT didn't say this, all he said was the the indie plan is still half-baked.
Platinum : He didn't say that an announcement was coming at TGS. AT. ALL.

There's only about 3 or 4 things he got wrong, amidst the dozens he got right. Everything else was misinterpretation.
 
I've not followed any of Cboats previous predictions but going from that reddit post on all the recent things he got wrong he seems like a Michael pachter type.

Throw enough shit and eventually some of it will stick.

Thoroughly loved my 360 and I'm hopeful they can achieve equal success with the one , will probably buy both after a wait and see approach , but it does seem fishy timing , praise the ps4 and hate the Xbox right before it's launch.

Why does everyone hate pachter but love this guy?

Also can stand his stupid cryptic messages , anyone who talks like that I instantly think is some 13 year old try hard , not saying cboat is one of them but why not just talk normally , I seriously doubt it protects his identity .
 

8bit

Knows the Score
Has anyone bothered to compile all of Crazy Buttock's rumours versus truthifactness? A true/false/unproven scorecard would be kind of useful.

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Edit, from his posts he does seem to be confident in his own words so I'd tend to believe him over someone like XboxOneDude or XboxLover at reddit, tbh.
 

Piggus

Member
This was posted on Reddit:



Is the above post correct? What is the %age of hits to misses that CBOAT gets ?

That guy is a dumbass.

Is this some kind of joke? no bro
CBoat has been wrong about a ton of stuff lately.
ESRAM Yield Issues? Wrong And how would you know? Because MS's PR said so? lol
Downclock? Wrong Don't remember him saying this.
Games to look worse than at E3? Wrong Considering the E3 demos were running on high end PCs, actually he's right.
Mirror's Edge and Prince of Persia at Microsoft E3? Wrong Stuff like this can always change last minute
1- Hour family share? Wrong This was during MS's frantic 180s when there were being shithoused by Sony in pre-order numbers. Not surprising it never showed up.
PS4 launching in October? Wrong He's an MS insider, not a Sony insider
Xbox One won't have indie titles? Wrong There are no indie titles at launch.
Platinum Games exclusive announced at TGS for XOne? Wrong Again, stuff like this tends to be pushed back frequently

Yeah, he's been wrong about some things but he's been correct A LOT more than he's been incorrect. Anything hardware related you can probably bet is real. Software or OS-related leaks may have been true at the time he heard them but can change a lot more frequently and at last minute. People like that dumbass on Reddit are just bitter about how their platform of choice is being treated. If he thinks Gaf is anti-Xbox One, he should try going out and talking to the more casual gamers who are overwhelmingly more interested in PS4.
 

Derpcrawler

Member
He posted a lengthy reply that went with that pic ... and why didn't anyone tell me it's a bannable offence to post pics like that on here?! I'm sure I've seen worse pics/gifs than that.

Use a common sense, man. If you lurk GAF at work or in public in University, pics like that should be tagged with NSFW and linked instead of embed.
 

foxbeldin

Member
This was posted on Reddit:

Originally Posted by Reddit

Is this some kind of joke?
CBoat has been wrong about a ton of stuff lately.
ESRAM Yield Issues? Wrong
Downclock? Wrong
Games to look worse than at E3? Wrong
Mirror's Edge and Prince of Persia at Microsoft E3? Wrong
1- Hour family share? Wrong
PS4 launching in October? Wrong
Xbox One won't have indie titles? Wrong
Platinum Games exclusive announced at TGS for XOne? Wrong

Esram yield could be true, they did postpone the launch in 8 countries, so there's obviously something causing problems in mass production. Maybe not wrong

Downclock : cboat never said there would be one. Not wrong because never said so (another insider did i think)

Games to look worse : He said there was a problem with the new sdk causing 15% drop in performance, but it was normal and would be fixed. So not wrong

Mirror's Edge and POP : Wrong but, time will tell if it was bcd stuff at E3

1- Hour family share? Family share was killed, how could we know? Not wrong until proven wrong

PS4 launching in October? Wrong. He apologized for this, said Sony was not his stuff. Never was anyway.

Xbox One won't have indie titles?
He said there was no indie policy for launch. No indie games before 2014 indeed. Not wrong

Platinum Games exclusive announced at TGS for XOne? Could be wrong. He said MS moneyhatted Platinum games, i'm not sure he said it would be announced at TGS.
 

Seanspeed

Banned
He posted a lengthy reply that went with that pic ... and why didn't anyone tell me it's a bannable offence to post pics like that on here?! I'm sure I've seen worse pics/gifs than that.
His lengthy reply seemed to have been:

You're an idiot, a misguided toolbag and a giant ass. Bigger than even this <big ass pic>

But whatever. I just don't exactly think that's the kind of commentary that keeps any sort of discussion very constructive and what separates NeoGAF from most every other place.
 

fallagin

Member
He posted a lengthy reply that went with that pic ... and why didn't anyone tell me it's a bannable offence to post pics like that on here?! I'm sure I've seen worse pics/gifs than that.

I really dont think that that is amirox. Plus he seems to just be parroting some posts here. Amirox's posts are usually alot better thought out and have much more substance.
 

co1onel

Member
I've not followed any of Cboats previous predictions but going from that reddit post on all the recent things he got wrong he seems like a Michael pachter type.

Throw enough shit and eventually some of it will stick.

Thoroughly loved my 360 and I'm hopeful they can achieve equal success with the one , will probably buy both after a wait and see approach , but it does seem fishy timing , praise the ps4 and hate the Xbox right before it's launch.

Why does everyone hate pachter but love this guy?

Also can stand his stupid cryptic messages , anyone who talks like that I instantly think is some 13 year old try hard , not saying cboat is one of them but why not just talk normally , I seriously doubt it protects his identity .

Please, don't base your decision off of a post from the xbox subreddit. You're clearly going to get heavy bias there. Look at his post history yourself, he's had lots of interesting predictions dating to way before the 360. You should even read the messages right above me, giving a more insightful look at what the one person posted on reddit (and showing how much in the wrong he was)

Also many say that he writes like he does as to avoid getting quoted by the press.
 

Hurley

Member
I've not followed any of Cboats previous predictions but going from that reddit post on all the recent things he got wrong he seems like a Michael pachter type.

Throw enough shit and eventually some of it will stick.

Thoroughly loved my 360 and I'm hopeful they can achieve equal success with the one , will probably buy both after a wait and see approach , but it does seem fishy timing , praise the ps4 and hate the Xbox right before it's launch.

Why does everyone hate pachter but love this guy?

Also can stand his stupid cryptic messages , anyone who talks like that I instantly think is some 13 year old try hard , not saying cboat is one of them but why not just talk normally , I seriously doubt it protects his identity .

lol what? Far from it.
 
I've not followed any of Cboats previous predictions but going from that reddit post on all the recent things he got wrong he seems like a Michael pachter type.

Throw enough shit and eventually some of it will stick.

Thoroughly loved my 360 and I'm hopeful they can achieve equal success with the one , will probably buy both after a wait and see approach , but it does seem fishy timing , praise the ps4 and hate the Xbox right before it's launch.

Why does everyone hate pachter but love this guy?

Also can stand his stupid cryptic messages , anyone who talks like that I instantly think is some 13 year old try hard , not saying cboat is one of them but why not just talk normally , I seriously doubt it protects his identity .

He makes pachter look amateur.
 
Esram yield could be true, they did postpone the launch in 8 countries, so there's obviously something causing problems in mass production. Maybe not wrong

Downclock : cboat never said there would be one. Not wrong because never said so

Games to look worse : He said there was a problem with the new sdk causing 15% drop in performance, but it was normal and would be fixed. So not wrong

Mirror's Edge and POP : Wrong but, time will tell if it was bcd stuff at E3

1- Hour family share? Family share was killed, how could we know? Not wrong until proven wrong

PS4 launching in October? Wrong. He apologized for this, said Sony was not his stuff. Never was anyway.

Xbox One won't have indie titles?
He said there was no indie policy for launch. No indie games before 2014 indeed. Not wrong

Platinum Games exclusive announced at TGS for XOne? Could be wrong. He said MS moneyhatted Platinum games, i'm not sure he said it would be announced at TGS.

From this it does seem like he has good insider knowledge , he will probably be out if a job in a year if his predictions are correct , not the smartest business move but hey at least he is famous on the internet
 

Daeva

Banned
I've not followed any of Cboats previous predictions but going from that reddit post on all the recent things he got wrong he seems like a Michael pachter type.

Throw enough shit and eventually some of it will stick.

Thoroughly loved my 360 and I'm hopeful they can achieve equal success with the one , will probably buy both after a wait and see approach , but it does seem fishy timing , praise the ps4 and hate the Xbox right before it's launch.

Why does everyone hate pachter but love this guy?

Also can stand his stupid cryptic messages , anyone who talks like that I instantly think is some 13 year old try hard , not saying cboat is one of them but why not just talk normally , I seriously doubt it protects his identity .

Honestly dude, Pachter isn't even that bad. He is an analyst. Nowhere in his resume does it say soothsayer. Same thing with Cboat in many ways. They TRY to give opinions based on insider knowledge or statistics they analyze.
 

Loakum

Banned
  • Development started later (compared to PS4)
  • Reveal event pushed back
  • Driver/OS not up to par
  • THIS looks just like a bunch of HTPC components thrown together
  • Launch list of countries reduced
  • 3rd party title footage severely limited
  • Unclear policies, messaging
It's all starting to add up.


whew....it's not looking good for Xbox One soon to be owners.........glad I pre ordered a PS4 thou.
 
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