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famousmortimer: Xbox One OS and Xbox Live issues bouncing about as we approach launch

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Going in the PS4 news section Vern :)

Yeah I just called you vern #Dealwithit



Been debating about adding that one as he goes onto clarify his stance. I think Jeff implied XBL was rough but not sure

stop adding stuff to the summary lol, it was finished a long time ago. keeping it concise is better for newcomers anyways.
 

SRTtoZ

Member
Jeff followed up that statement with he really doesn't know anything, only that he was using common sense. Also, I thought the Sessler family meltdown was because he wasnt getting a PS4 ahead of time?
 

Ashes

Banned
I was talking about people who buy and don't find out these problems are there until they are playing at home(if the problems are there). Or can you return opened videogames in the US? I'm a little confused, you can't return open video game stuff in the UK without a lot of hassle.

Which store? You can return anything that doesn't work as sold in the UK.
 

Skeff

Member
I have been on GAF for a looong time (lurker before reg) and i know the way this thread is going on...


There is definitely some big megaton coming it is just matter of day or two maybe max week but there will be asston that will overshadow everything else. All food and hints are there and people wait for something to spark that bomb.


My guess:

- Xbone devs are crunching like mad to fix problems created by 180 and them having production issues even before that (with software). If those problems won't be fixed they will delay launch because they won't launch product in that state if they want to sell that to customers who will use that to watch tv or use Skype on conferences.

Hints for that are all over the place.

That would classify as megasston.

I can't see it myself, they're going to ride this into the ground, can't jump off the train now.
 
300MB at least isnt as vague as '15-20 minutes' that MS have stated about their own patch.

The number 2GBs was thrown around before for the MS day one update, don't know how true that is.

The reason this thread has so many posts and so much attention is because MS situation is a lot bigger than a 300mb PS4 patch, they shouldn't be treated as equal.
 
wow. This thread has gone to really in my opinion off limits places ... family members .. character questions ... emotional responses to personal things in life .... its just a console guys ... im all for leaks and open discussions .... and i havent taken the time to read thru this whole tread just skimmed thru the posts of the regular insiders and some others ... but maybe mods should close this thread if thats where this whole things is going ...

I've read most of this thread and I don't remember reading any of this other than people wondering if something was wrong with FM which he went over and took everything in stride.
 

SRTtoZ

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The number 2GBs was thrown around before for the MS day one update, don't know how true that is.

The reason this thread has so many posts and so much attention is because MS situation is a lot bigger than a 300mb PS4 patch, they shouldn't be treated as equal.

Exactly. Its a hardware launch, both systems WILL have issues, its the nature of the beast. However this thread is more about bigger issues than even the normal ones they might experience. Of course, that can all be sorted out by launch but I think the source was saying the problem wasn't getting fixed in a timely manner, and we are only a month out.
 

Skeff

Member
Which store? You can return anything that doesn't work as sold in the UK.

In the UK, you'd struggle at any store, My personal experiences are:

GAME: It took me 3 hours to return a faulty xb360. that's faulty the day after I purchased it(it was RROD on first boot as pre owned system)

But also Toysrus didn't give a shit returning a PS2 because I had 2 bought at presents and just returned it.

I know CeX have a terrible policy too regarding returns.

the problem is, the xbox one if it had an unstable OS, may not be classed as not working, it's just missing features, some companies are very difficult to get your money back from.
 
I was talking to someone who works in QA for the X-Box One a few days ago, and he seemed a bit dejected about the state of the interface. I didn't really press the point since I don't want him to say anything that would break his NDA, but my reassurances that Metro isn't "that bad" were rebuffed, so I'm guessing it's not just a case of him being less than fond of the UI. I guess this might have been what's bothering him.

Not sure how bad this will actually hurt them in the launch window, though. The problems aren't going to become altogether obvious until people have bought the thing and gotten online, and at that point they're locked in - they own an X-Box One and they're subscribed to XBL Gold - so they're unlikely to try and ward others away. That's the unfortunate "benefit" of a closed online ecosystem: even if it's objectively bad, you want your friends to use it so that you can play with them.

They just need to get it fixed before the honeymoon is over, or else they're going to start seeing a fall-off in sales due to bad press after the launch window ends.
 

Ishan

Junior Member
I've read most of this thread and I don't remember reading any of this other than people wondering if something was wrong with FM which he went over and took everything in stride.

okay thats good. cause there was this one post by verendus about pity and family members and personal things ... i was like woah woah woah ... as i said in my edit i havent read thru the whole thread so its on track its good then especially if fm took it in stride.
 
I still don't get why they went to such a complex software ecosystem (hypervisor, two operating systems...) when they had one of the most stable game os out there.
 
stop adding stuff to the summary lol, it was finished a long time ago. keeping it concise is better for newcomers anyways.

:(

I got so far though. I guess I cut out some of Jeff's comments although they are interesting.

I'm tired. You plebs can deal with a long read :p

Unless enough ppl complain and then I will easily give way to peer pressure

ALSO SPAMMING OF OVERALL THREAD SUMMARY COMMENCING!

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=87786946#post87786946
 

viveks86

Member
I've read most of this thread and I don't remember reading any of this other than people wondering if something was wrong with FM which he went over and took everything in stride.

This. Ishan, there is so much more being discussed. You seem to have misread a lot of the comments that were made because you skimmed through them. Best is to look at SwiftDeath's summary:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=87786946#post87786946

And @SwiftDeath, that would be $5. kthxbye!
 

Mohonky

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All true but none of that sways me one way or the other. Do the games work and can I take them online, that's all I care about.


At this point, do we even fucking know.

NDA's are out to prevent anyone from even revealing resolutions.
Sacrifices are being made on both sides of the fence to even get the games running, obviously resolution sacrifices on one console more than the other but we ares tatrting to hear rumours of some games being below 1080p on both consoles.
Launch games being pushed back into next year.
Consoles only really being shown behind closed doors or in strict control environments.
Rumours that both consoles are going to be an online mess day one.

It doesnt sound like anyone is really ready tbh. PS4 sounds like it is at least more mature in its development but lets be honest, it is also being propped along by the fiasco that is Xbone train derailment.

Developers in massive damage control.
Industry journalist tagging the corporate lines.
Reactionary PR mouthpieces from hardware manufacturers.
No straight answers from anyone.
 

ElTorro

I wanted to dominate the living room. Then I took an ESRAM in the knee.
I still don't get why they went to such a complex software ecosystem (hypervisor, two operating systems...) when they had one of the most stable game os out there.

That layout actually reduces complexity once the integration between hypervisior and game partition is stable and performing, since it "perfectly" separates and isolates the consoles different concerns. It's a good approach given the requirement of concurrent game/app executions on the same screen.
 

Verendus

Banned
Eh, at this point in time i just hope both consoles burn to the ground at launch. Between all the bullshit, the nda's, the PR dick waving....if both companies end up eating crow maybe we'll get a more mature stance nextt ime round with more transparency.

Right now all I can seem to be hearing about is manufacturers running round like school kids in a playground trying to slap one another around with insults and all sorts of rhetoric and bullshit with industry journalists trying to do all the PR damage control.

Maybe both companies should pick their stance, stop watching one another going tit for tat in little media skirmishes and just get all their own shit sorted before pointing fingers.

Industry is a fucking parody of professional work places.
This is strange to me as I, personally, don't necessarily think the companies are at fault. Both Sony and Microsoft cater to an audience. That audience is all of us.

Sony has been transparent with you. They had the unveil in February, told you what the console had, an idea of release window, some of their long-term vision, and then in June, they told you a little bit more, before finally announcing their price and launch plans. It was done in a pretty simple way. SCE trickled their policy plans and the internet built up a fervor themselves. You can't expect a company to go against their own strategy. You all know what you need to know. Microsoft did have some problems. Part of that stems from the DRM they wanted to enforce, and the subsequent backlash, and part of that is unfortunately people constantly creating negative news regarding their console and its various issues. They try their best to manage this news, but that hasn't really worked out well for them. You can't fault them for being poor at handling a variable they didn't expect.

Here is a simple truth though.

Behind the scenes, many things happen. Good and bad. The situation can be quite dynamic. It's unreasonable to expect these companies to feed you and be more transparent, because gamers do have the tendency to blow up issues really huge. In the case of Microsoft, every little negative bit of news is magnified even further because they ran out of the gate by putting their face flat on the floor first. They're playing the game but just really poorly.

I agree with you that the industry has some real problems in general though, maybe for other reasons.
 

demolitio

Member
How long can the teasing actually last until the supposedly big "bomb" is dropped? I just want this shit over with already.

I at least know the X1 should be fine by the time Halo 5 comes out but I would feel a little uneasy if I had the console preordered by now but waiting for that bomb to drop is going to put some people on edge. Either way, I would hate to pick it up at launch and discover all these problems on EITHER console. Getting a console at launch is always a risk but you expect the product and service to at least function well enough to play online without any issues. I can see how 720p might not bother people (although people irrationally defend it at times with the stupidest of statements) but any major functional problem with either console would be enough to hurt either company for quite some time. Sometimes it's better to take the short-term outrage over potential long-term outrage through burning bridges with consumers by rushing the product out the door. There's always going to be rushing involved with a tech launch, but it shouldn't have basic functional problems.

Anyway, this shouldn't be something so personal to people. It's amazing how crazy people can get whether they're defending MS or hoping for a big bomb to attack them for the drama. The hobby used to involve actually playing games. :D
 
Read the thread, or at least the summary.
I did. I see Proelite's comments reinforcing the party system issues, and thuway's comments on Smartglass, but I don't understand how it's escalated beyond that?

That layout actually reduces complexity once the integration between hypervisior and game partition is stable and performing, since it "perfectly" separates and isolates the consoles different concerns. It's a good approach given the requirement of concurrent game/app executions on the same screen.
Yep
 
How did mort leaking that the Xbone party system is having issues turn into the Xbone OS is malfunctioning?

The party system is having issues because they have changed how it works within the Xbox OS. And by extension every "app" that has an online element, practically all of them, is having issues too.
 
In the UK, you'd struggle at any store, My personal experiences are:

GAME: It took me 3 hours to return a faulty xb360. that's faulty the day after I purchased it(it was RROD on first boot as pre owned system)

But also Toysrus didn't give a shit returning a PS2 because I had 2 bought at presents and just returned it.

I know CeX have a terrible policy too regarding returns.

the problem is, the xbox one if it had an unstable OS, may not be classed as not working, it's just missing features, some companies are very difficult to get your money back from.

Depending on the retailer in the US but if you purchase from on of the bigger shops, you can return it after opening. I returned a 360 I had bought from Best Buy and it was very easy.
 

Krilekk

Banned
From famousmortimer himself

Xbox One OS and Xbox Live issues bouncing about as we approach launch

Cut some stuff, more at the link.

Oh come on, really? Granted, it all sounds believable at first. We know the OS is not complete, there's a reason for the day 1 patch. Why they have the Windows team in crunch mode working on X1. Why many features come out in 2014. They obviously will get the OS done by launch day. And the OS that is being talked about is probably months old cause you don't throw weekly builds at devs. But the dead giveaway is the custom voip API nonsense. I feel sorry for everyone that believes that bs.
 
I have both consoles on pre-order. I'm not as excited for the Xbox One, so I'll pick up my order on the 22nd, but I won't set it up as soon I get home. My plan is to follow how the launch is going and what others are experiencing during setup, updating and system use.

daMN nice plan ,, why haven't i thought of this ?

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Faustek

Member
The number 2GBs was thrown around before for the MS day one update, don't know how true that is.

The reason this thread has so many posts and so much attention is because MS situation is a lot bigger than a 300mb PS4 patch, they shouldn't be treated as equal.

Isn't the scary part that this is needed for removal of always online DRM?(wonder if kinect needs to be plugged in as well at start)
Meaning that, IF, the servers crap out it means no play alas on PS4, according to Shu, you can DL it in background while you play.
 

dc89

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In the UK, you'd struggle at any store, My personal experiences are:

GAME: It took me 3 hours to return a faulty xb360. that's faulty the day after I purchased it(it was RROD on first boot as pre owned system)

But also Toysrus didn't give a shit returning a PS2 because I had 2 bought at presents and just returned it.

I know CeX have a terrible policy too regarding returns.

the problem is, the xbox one if it had an unstable OS, may not be classed as not working, it's just missing features, some companies are very difficult to get your money back from.

I'm honestly considering getting my PS4 from John Lewis. They've just started with 2 year warranty as standard at no extra cost on all Electricals. Xbox One and PS4 included.

Regarding the actual topic - damn, have MS got anything right with the Xbox One thus far?
 

ekim

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People might not care about Smart Glass, but it was a largely publicized feature taking up a good chunk of the press conference. I am working on getting other sources for a few other things, but Famous has told you folks the brunt of what needed to be said.

Last night I heard some awful things about Xbox One, but I kind of wrote it off as hyperbole from one crazy kook, but Famous must be confident with a variety of sources because he's taken the ball, and knocked it out the park.

The best thing to come out of this entire situation, is Dent's twitter meltdown.

With that said, Sony has there own challenges, and journo's are pissed off over a cavalcade of things. There is much skepticism as to if PSN will actually work on day 1.

With all that said, folks this is launch day. Things will improve over time, and not everything will work optimally on day 1. Look at the Wii U, look at the PS3/360, and to some extent look at the Vita. The programmers are burning the midnight oil and working tooth and nail to deliver something come launch.

Who? And what meltdown? And that is not the AssStorm CBoAT hinted at? uhoh
 
The party system is having issues because they have changed how it works within the Xbox OS. And by extension every "app" that has an online element, practically all of them, is having issues too.
I understand why VOIP is having issues lol, what I don't understand why there are so many people freaking out as if the console isn't going to work from this news.
 

viveks86

Member
Oh come on, really? Granted, it all sounds believable at first. We know the OS is not complete, there's a reason for the day 1 patch. Why they have the Windows team in crunch mode working on X1. Why many features come out in 2014. They obviously will get the OS done by launch day. And the OS that is being talked about is probably months old cause you don't throw weekly builds at devs. But the dead giveaway is the custom voip API nonsense. I feel sorry for everyone that believes that bs.

Wow. Ok. Thank you for your sympathy! :)
 
Oh come on, really? Granted, it all sounds believable at first. We know the OS is not complete, there's a reason for the day 1 patch. Why they have the Windows team in crunch mode working on X1. Why many features come out in 2014. They obviously will get the OS done by launch day. And the OS that is being talked about is probably months old cause you don't throw weekly builds at devs. But the dead giveaway is the custom voip API nonsense. I feel sorry for everyone that believes that bs.

Why is the custom voip API nonsense now? Care to explain?
 
How long can the teasing actually last until the supposedly big "bomb" is dropped? I just want this shit over with already.

That's what I am wondering. They can't hide this forever. Wouldn't it benefit them more to get it out and over with sooner or do they think the week headstart of the PS4 in the USA is enough to hurt them if the 720p rumors get confirmed?
 
That layout actually reduces complexity once the integration between hypervisior and game partition is stable and performing, since it "perfectly" separates and isolates the consoles different concerns. It's a good approach given the requirement of concurrent game/app executions on the same screen.

They could've handled games / apps / dashboard as processes instead.
That "perfect isolation" is doing more harm than good... and is a PITA if you pair that with direct hardware access (something Microsoft tried to avoid for obivious reasons).
 
Oh come on, really? Granted, it all sounds believable at first. We know the OS is not complete, there's a reason for the day 1 patch. Why they have the Windows team in crunch mode working on X1. Why many features come out in 2014. They obviously will get the OS done by launch day. And the OS that is being talked about is probably months old cause you don't throw weekly builds at devs. But the dead giveaway is the custom voip API nonsense. I feel sorry for everyone that believes that bs.

Mortimer has been pretty much right on everything lately. Why is it so hard to believe? You still have so much faith in MS? They had a great thing going with the 360 and they just through that to the side and decided to create an all in one console. What makes you so sure they haven't ruined anything else?
 

Rich!

Member
In the UK, you'd struggle at any store, My personal experiences are:

GAME: It took me 3 hours to return a faulty xb360. that's faulty the day after I purchased it(it was RROD on first boot as pre owned system)

But also Toysrus didn't give a shit returning a PS2 because I had 2 bought at presents and just returned it.

I know CeX have a terrible policy too regarding returns.

the problem is, the xbox one if it had an unstable OS, may not be classed as not working, it's just missing features, some companies are very difficult to get your money back from.

If any retailer starts giving you shit for a return, simply quote or print the sales of goods act and they will be your fucking bitch.
 

GribbleGrunger

Dreams in Digital
That's what I am wondering. They can't hide this forever. Wouldn't it benefit them more to get it out and over with sooner or do they think the week headstart of the PS4 in the USA is enough to hurt them if the 720p rumors get confirmed?

Come on, fella, it's obvious. They don't mind you finding out AFTER you give them your money.
 

Hyunashi

Member
Oh come on, really? Granted, it all sounds believable at first. We know the OS is not complete, there's a reason for the day 1 patch. Why they have the Windows team in crunch mode working on X1. Why many features come out in 2014. They obviously will get the OS done by launch day. And the OS that is being talked about is probably months old cause you don't throw weekly builds at devs. But the dead giveaway is the custom voip API nonsense. I feel sorry for everyone that believes that bs.

I am sorry I believe a guy who has been right about almost everything lately. Explain the bolded to please.
 

demolitio

Member
That's what I am wondering. They can't hide this forever. Wouldn't it benefit them more to get it out and over with sooner?

Unless it actually is so big that it could turn off preorders, maybe they're hoping to delay the news until it's too late but like I just edited in my previous post, it's better to have short-term rage directed at you instead of long-term rage after burning people that already bought the console and ruining any reputation you might have had with the mainstream. I rather take a short-term hit than lose trust permanently...Take people's money just to find out there's a huge problem and even the staunchest of defenders might be pissed off if they remain rational.

That's assuming there is an actual big bomb to be dropped but you never know considering how hyperbole is the norm these days. I just think it's better to come clean than to wait until the last minute when it's on people's minds and it's too late, but I'm assuming they're trying to fix whatever the problem is before coming clean if possible.
 
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