Conspiracy time. Microsoft paid (whatever) activision to purposefully produce a slightly inferior product on the PS4 to help alleviate the negative press which will generally be pushing the ps4 having superior frame rate/resolution in games. CoD obviously does big business and grabs headlines, which is why Microsoft would choose this title plus they generally have had a good relationship with Microsoft.
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Polygon COD: Ghosts Review update: (XBONE better version)
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Brad Grenz
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I don't think it's a conspiracy, but I am starting to suspect that a number of PS4s at the review event were improperly set up. Whether due to human error or a bug in the HDMI handshake routine on the PS4 hardware used, it seems some people saw the game in 1080p, and others saw it rendering at 720p. That would explain why we get conflicting reports from some who could not distinguish between the two, and some who clearly saw it was a higher resolution on PS4. That problem was compounded as some sites who were allowed to capture footage apparently did so with the PS4 set to the improper resolution.
What this would mean is no one is lying, the Polygon reviewer is not incompetent and none of the comparison footage we have so far is representative of the actual game running on PS4.
What this would mean is no one is lying, the Polygon reviewer is not incompetent and none of the comparison footage we have so far is representative of the actual game running on PS4.
Stealthcobra
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Well i hope Microsoft gave them enough money to pay for their loss sales. I wasnt buying ghost anyways. I heard it was a crap game no matter what the platform
deputyspade
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I would believe that if they would have left the PS4 version at 720p as well. Another conspiracy theory is what I read on Jeremy Conrad's twitter a while ago. He said Microsoft gave the founders of Polygon 700k to help get the site going.
secondspace
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Seems more like Activision being cheap about a franchise that sells tens of millions every year is finally catching up with them, the PC version seems to be rotten as well. This is going to damage them on the PS4 going forward.
This is great... last week 720p and 1080p was like night and day, today nobody is even sure what they are looking at!
Everyone wants a winner, fact is both versions look almost identical, most would never know especially without them running side by side.
And the horrible sharpening filter on xbone... i'll take that over soft looking textures all day
Every TV has sharpening filters, those who know what they are doing don't use them. Others who don't know what they are doing pretend they prefer them in stills but wonder where all the crawling aliasing and texture shimmer is coming from when the picture is in motion.
jakonovski
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It saddens me to see that this turd of a game is being used to compare the new consoles. It only tells of how much IW half assed thigns this time around. The damn thing doesn't even work on SLI Titans on the PC. Hell, the textures are probably sub-hd so there isn't anything for 1080p to even display.
UnluckyKate
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Apparently there is no capture card that can record lowless full hd at 60fps so maybe some journos though there were recording at full res but weren't ?
Parapraxis
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Oh god, please tell me we will have this every month!
Dying to see Nov 2013, should be fucking epic.
Parapraxis
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Or you could, you know, play the game on a 1080p display.This is great... last week 720p and 1080p was like night and day, today nobody is even sure what they are looking at!
Everyone wants a winner, fact is both versions look almost identical, most would never know especially without them running side by side.
And the horrible sharpening filter on xbone... i'll take that over soft looking textures all day
Unless of course you think the textures in BF4 look better on xbox with 1080p displays, in that case, eye examination is in order.
Come on gaf let's not jump the gun on this one, if this polygon setting a president for the way they are going to review multi platform titles from now on then that's fair enough. Polygon are not the only outlet to report frame rate drops on ps4, the main differnce is that polygon see the issue is sufficient enough to dock marks for it. Now if polygon start contradicting themselves and not setting this as a bench mark that if there is performance issues then they will dock marks then it's time to call bullshit on them.
I know it may seem I'm trying to defend them trust me I'm not their review of the last of us made me think I wouldn't waste my time in them but some of the theories getting chucked around on here are quite laughable.
I know it may seem I'm trying to defend them trust me I'm not their review of the last of us made me think I wouldn't waste my time in them but some of the theories getting chucked around on here are quite laughable.
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I'm saying that in the images in question, the PS4 version was in native 720p. Not saying that the game doesn't do native 1080p on PS4 at all.
Even with crappy YouTube artifacts, you can tell by the aliasing that it's the exact same resolution:
Thank you for this. I noticed the comparisons looked too similar especially after the Battlefield comparisons.
feint_ruled
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Does this need a new thread? It's moved on from Polygon now. The issue is that purported 1080p PS4 COD comparison footage from multiple outlets is actually running at 720p! Or is it not worth adding fuel to the flames before we know more?
Keep grasping those straws.
If you hate blur, you'll absolutely loathe 720p upscaled to 1080p. Check out the "Digital Foundry versus Dead Rising 3" thread for some good examples of how hideous upscaled 720p can be.
So yeah. Enjoy your 720p.
What's funny is that the only reason all these people "couldn't tell the difference," was probably because they accidentally set up their PS4 to output at 720p! If they actually ran the PS4 version with 1080p enabled, the difference would have been absolutely MASSIVE.This is great... last week 720p and 1080p was like night and day, today nobody is even sure what they are looking at!
Everyone wants a winner, fact is both versions look almost identical, most would never know especially without them running side by side.
You're right I think this needs a new thread as its bigger than Polygon.
Why not both?
hooijdonk17
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Deal with it GAF. Polygon, never change.
And crash and burn.
JonathanPower
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The main difference is that they are saying the game suffers from consistent framerate drops on PS4. So they are making it sound like the game is a stuttering mess on PS4. And I highly doubt this is the case.
JetSetRadio
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Any framedrops in MP is just unacceptable.
I guess I'll find out over the next couple of weeks if I should still get it at launch here in Europe.
I guess I'll find out over the next couple of weeks if I should still get it at launch here in Europe.
Pop
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To be fair, one source said it happened once every 6 hours. Now maybe you might run into it a couple times a week. IW is fixing it now.
You do know you have drops in almost every cod ever made on every system right?.
Fredrik
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At least Polygon reviewer said it might be his imagination that PS4 version was sharper, which it turned out it wasn't if it was 720p too just like XB1 version. It'll be interesting to see what other outlets have to say about this if they viewed it at 720p too. Easy to see who's biased.
Some people owe me an apology from a few pages back.
Regarding the 720p vs 1080p thing. For me this gen, whenever my PS3 outputs 720p for some games and 1080p for other games, it's always very clear which is which because the XMB UI (when pressing the Home button while in-game) is very noticeably blurrer when playing a 720p game against a 1080p game.
Is this a function of me being very sensitive to resolution changes or is it due to the fact that downscaling to 720p on a 2008 Full HD TV just screws up the image quality?
Is this a function of me being very sensitive to resolution changes or is it due to the fact that downscaling to 720p on a 2008 Full HD TV just screws up the image quality?
JetSetRadio
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I don't actually?
Apart from a little lag every now and then, CoD has always been smooth as butter online on my PS3. I never play SP though.
When does it launch in the US? That should clear things up soon.
I am pretty sure the PC version does not go below 60fps. At least a high end system
I think you might be surprised, this game runs like hot shit on even the highest spec pc.
Daffy Duck
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Wow, surely they wouldn't have lied about Ghosts being 1080p on PS4.....
It's no secret Frushtick has been leaning more towards the Xbone than the PS4. It should come to no suprise for anyone who's been listening to their Besties podcast that he chose the xbox version. In the end it doesn't matter as it's a middling game compared to its ilk and it's not even live yet with InfinityWard promising a patch.
I really like a few of the people at Polygon(mostly the ex-Joystiq/Besties group of the McElroys, Grant and Plante) but their review policy doesn't serve me as a reader/consumer and I frankly think they're a little up their own asses with their "Polygon will change the gaming journalism landscape" spiel they were throwing around when they were launching their(microsoft funded by the way) documentary. Some of their longer read features are great, but too far in-betwen for the huge team of people they have. Patrick Klepek of Giant Bomb almost singlehandedly outperforms them so maybe a little introspection is in order
I really like a few of the people at Polygon(mostly the ex-Joystiq/Besties group of the McElroys, Grant and Plante) but their review policy doesn't serve me as a reader/consumer and I frankly think they're a little up their own asses with their "Polygon will change the gaming journalism landscape" spiel they were throwing around when they were launching their(microsoft funded by the way) documentary. Some of their longer read features are great, but too far in-betwen for the huge team of people they have. Patrick Klepek of Giant Bomb almost singlehandedly outperforms them so maybe a little introspection is in order
COD has always had frame drops, down to 50fps, 40fps, or even worse. This is particularly true on PS3.
If you didn't notice frame drops on PS3 COD, you most likely won't notice them on PS4.
Chobel
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Do you have proof that PS4 is rendering CoD at 720p?
Sounds extremely unlikely. If you wanna go for the conspiracy angle, look no further than: 1) who paid for polygon's ridiculous, self aggrandizing "documentary," 2) who's reviews editor at polygon and what's been his historical (and well documented) leaning over the years.
Asherdude
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Polygon is the only site that's stated this. Every other site that's carried a comparison between the two has stated that the PS4 version is better. What is that?
How can you say this though? The fact that people know exactly what to look for is how people realized the capture is not in 1080p in the first place...
edit: I will ban any more conspiracy bullshit. So drop it right now.
CassidyIzABeast
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Wait a minute. So because Ghosts looks equally unimpressive on both consoles, that can only mean the PS4 version isn't actually 1080p? Really breh?
Gemüsepizza
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Have you looked at the pictures and the jaggies? Do you honestly think *that* is the difference between 720p and 1080p?
Cool, may aswell play everything @480p then.
deputyspade
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Seems a bit obvious that IW would favour the MS consoles since that's where a bigger portion of their userbase resides and they have exclusive deals in place with MS.
Given how shoddily the pc version performs it wouldn't surprise me if the ps4 version got a similar level of attention.
All of this would matter a lot more if this game was actually good. People are still going to throw money at Activision though so whatever.
If they can manage to put something out next year that actually looks next-gen they might be able to salvage their brand otherwise I could see Titanfall and Battlefield cannibalising their playerbase over the next few years as they slip into irrelevance.
Given how shoddily the pc version performs it wouldn't surprise me if the ps4 version got a similar level of attention.
All of this would matter a lot more if this game was actually good. People are still going to throw money at Activision though so whatever.
If they can manage to put something out next year that actually looks next-gen they might be able to salvage their brand otherwise I could see Titanfall and Battlefield cannibalising their playerbase over the next few years as they slip into irrelevance.
hooijdonk17
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I'm still waiting for the inevitable Polygon update: "Our capture cards are 720p max, but we swear they look identical! I mean, why wouldn't you believe us? Right? Please?"
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