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[TheKayle]

Dude, the difference *is* clearly visible. It was just harder to notice because of the high compression of those videos. And in the end we did notice it. Those journalists should also have noticed it, but they are just incompetent and Gies is simply lying.

Here are two uncompressed screenshots someone from her made:

http://abload.de/img/720pupscaledniz2l.png

http://abload.de/img/1080pnativerfxn0.png

If you can't notice a difference, you should go see a doctor.

i do ..re read the other post that i did...about this "differences"

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=89783114&postcount=1494

if i show u that lower res version saying is 1080p...

withtou anything to compare on...im more incline to say that you (or most ppl) will trust is 1080p...coz..this differences arent great as ppl wanna think and all this case..is the clear proof of evidence

 

[Amused]

i just know that most of the "is clearly visible the difference"...should eat their crow asap

Everyone lost.

Those claiming major differences - lost.
Those claiming no difference, and not questioning said observaison - lost.
IW/Activision - lost.

Nobody wins, except gaffers getting to the bottom of the problem through picture analysis.

 

[TJUK]

Next-gen coming in hot. Confirmed.

 

[le.phat]

Dude, the difference *is* clearly visible. It was just harder to notice because of the high compression of those videos. And in the end we did notice it. Those journalists should also have noticed it, but they are just incompetent and Gies is simply lying.

Here are two uncompressed screenshots someone from her made:

http://abload.de/img/720pupscaledniz2l.png

http://abload.de/img/1080pnativerfxn0.png

If you can't notice a difference, you should go see a doctor.

Uhm, am i supposed to notice those difference when i'm sitting a meter away from my tv ?

nvm: i actually tested it. It's noticable. But i can easily see why a casual person wouldn't give a shit about this.

 

[TheKayle]

Uhm, am i supposed to notice those difference when i'm sitting a meter away from my tv ?

and maybe you arent 20/20 and use glasses

 

[Sean*O]

i just know that most of the "is clearly visible the difference"...should eat their crow asap

Not if they were looking at multi player mode.

 

[onanie]

honestly, scoring any "forum talking points" is really minor, in the scheme of things. The bigger fish is how could a MAJOR developer, Infinity Ward/Activision, could make such a massive blunder like this?

They never said it was a blunder. Simply a special PS4 press event version.

 

[onanie]

if i show u that lower res version saying is 1080p...

withtou anything to compare on...im more incline to say that you (or most ppl) will trust is 1080p...coz..

not really.

 

[News Bot]

The game ain't even great.

 

[TheKayle]

not really.

this happened with this game...and happened to ppl that are used to judge this things

so yes..really

average joe ..would swear on god..that he was seeing 1080p

 

[onanie]

this happened with this game...and happened to ppl that are used to judge this things

so yes..really

No one got the 1080p version, so no, not really.

 

[TheKayle]

No one got the 1080p version, so no, not really.

in fact lots of reviever had seen the clear differences.....that there wasnt being both version 720...this mean the differences are not evident as ppl wanan try to show

pls stop hiding it

the fact are there......multiple..expert ppl did not notice nothing if not imagination

 

[onanie]

in fact lots of reviever had seen the clear differences.....that there wasnt being both version 720...this mean the differences are not evident as ppl wanan try to show

pls stop hiding it

the fact are there......multiple..expert ppl did not notice nothing if not imagination

from http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=89533075&postcount=1, only 1 out of 4 reviewers claimed there was a difference. The majority, or 75%, correctly noted that there were no differences.

 

[TheKayle]

from http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=89533075&postcount=1, only 1 out of 4 reviewers claimed there was a difference. The majority, or 75%, correctly noted that there were no differences.

and the 75% wil lno notice differences also after the patch

 

[onanie]

and the 75% wil lno notice differences also after the patch

That, is your comeback?

 

[LabouredSubterfuge]

Please someone make it stop.

 

[Fergie]

and maybe you arent 20/20 and use glasses

He actually updated his post.

Uhm, am i supposed to notice those difference when i'm sitting a meter away from my tv ?

nvm: i actually tested it. It's noticable. But i can easily see why a casual person wouldn't give a shit about this.

 

[Whools]

So it's the emperor's new clothes of game reviewing

 

[Sutton Dagger]

and the 75% wil lno notice differences also after the patch

Nice tag

You're one of those 'dvd's look the same blu-ray' people, aren't you?

 

[Oni Jazar]

At least we learned one thing, the PS4 scalar is just as good as the Xbone's.

 

[C.Dark.DN]

and maybe you arent 20/20 and use glasses

Do you not realize glasses at the correct prescription usually give you 20/20 vision?

If I take mine off, everything 1 foot away is a blurry unreadable mess. Put them on, 20/20.

Honestly, I don't care about the general public. Some can 't see the difference between SD and HD. I care about what I notice and what many tech enthusiasts notice for superior gaming and video enjoyment.

One major issue for the general public is no TV shows are broadcasted in 1080p. Netflix is compressed and was in 720p most of it's life. Unless they buy blu-rays, they can't see 1080p native uncompressed at all in their house. Which will always be a low percantage of general HD TV use.

The next major place to see the difference is In PC gaming. PC gamers are going to easily see the difference between bumping up or down the resolution from 720p to 1080p. It has the most dramatic effect on PQ. Considering we sit there and tweak settings and can change the littlest of shit on the fly like how much foliage you can see, you just know.

 

[Loakum]

They never said it was a blunder. Simply a special PS4 press event version.

Regardless if they admit/call it a blunder, or not, it's still a blunder! The footage from the RETAIL copies (NOT special versions as you stated) they gave to the press wasn't at 1080p as they stated (and advertised). This was used as part of the review, which showed the resolution looking basically the same as the Xbone version, because thet BOTH was running in 720p. A Blunder, plain and simple.

 

[Ubersnug]

Not trying to derail this thread, but has there been any follow up on the supposed patch IW was working on to try and up the resolution for Ghosts on the XOne to 1080p?

 

[mrklaw]

right now i passed the ps4..theres no games..that i would play....i was interested in kz...but dont seem to be this good ...knack is a total fail...and resogun fun for how much it can be is too indie to spend 400 euro for..i think the smartest thing is to way 6 or 8 months...for the ps4...i upgraded my pc rig 1 month ago (prodigy m,asus maximus gene vi,i7 4770k 16gb vengeance pro ,2x 256gbsamsung 840 pro and two evga 660ti and im super happy)
so ill play multiplat on the pc
now im waiting the review of the xb1 games..if they fail too....ill pass both consoles for 1 year
but honestly the xb1 lineup looked better from the start than what the ps4 had....not putting in count the ui and ps4 os...day one limits will see how ms fail this time in some days

You could have upgraded your keyboard for one with shift keys too

Seems a fair enough stance though - I agree if you have a gaming PC for multiplatforms, then the Xbox is probably a better choice for exclusives right now, but neither is that great.

Its odd - I have a decent gaming PC (i5-3570k, 7950, SSD etc) but I don't play a huge number of multiplatform games on it, I prefer them on console. Not sure why.

 

[Angelus Errare]

Not trying to derail this thread, but has there been any follow up on the supposed patch IW was working on to try and up the resolution for Ghosts on the XOne to 1080p?

There was never a 1080p patch for XBO version.

 

[Higgins113]

right now i passed the ps4..theres no games..that i would play....i was interested in kz...but dont seem to be this good ...knack is a total fail...and resogun fun for how much it can be is too indie to spend 400 euro for..i think the smartest thing is to way 6 or 8 months...for the ps4...i upgraded my pc rig 1 month ago (prodigy m,asus maximus gene vi,i7 4770k 16gb vengeance pro ,2x 256gbsamsung 840 pro and two evga 660ti and im super happy)
so ill play multiplat on the pc
now im waiting the review of the xb1 games..if they fail too....ill pass both consoles for 1 year
but honestly the xb1 lineup looked better from the start than what the ps4 had....not putting in count the ui and ps4 os...day one limits will see how ms fail this time in some days

I read your posts like someone...is struggling ... to breathe

 

[Ubersnug]

There was never a 1080p patch for XBO version.

Nothing official, but there had been rumours of it. Our own Amirox even mentioned it.

 

[Oni Jazar]

Nothing official, but there had been rumours of it. Our own Amirox even mentioned it.

I think all that was said was that it could happen in theory.

 

[TheKayle]

You could have upgraded your keyboard for one with shift keys too

Seems a fair enough stance though - I agree if you have a gaming PC for multiplatforms, then the Xbox is probably a better choice for exclusives right now, but neither is that great.

Its odd - I have a decent gaming PC (i5-3570k, 7950, SSD etc) but I don't play a huge number of multiplatform games on it, I prefer them on console. Not sure why.

Uhm can i ask how old are you?..
I think my attachment to the pc rig..is coz im 36.and i grow up with keyboard and mouse...i have all the ps.....(i must admitt tht i got still all less the ps3 that i sold to a friend some months ago)...and the x360 but still i feel not comfortable as with the k+m combo...

Maybe u used to play more with the console?

 

[Vagabundo]

Dude, the difference *is* clearly visible. It was just harder to notice because of the high compression of those videos. And in the end we did notice it. Those journalists should also have noticed it, but they are just incompetent and Gies is simply lying.

Here are two uncompressed screenshots someone from her made:

http://abload.de/img/720pupscaledniz2l.png

http://abload.de/img/1080pnativerfxn0.png

If you can't notice a difference, you should go see a doctor.

I've no hat in the ring here, but those shots are fucking close. Without flicking between the two constantly I found it hard to spot the differences. There is certainly more detail, but in an action game I'm not sure most people will notice.

Would it add to the game, I'd say no. Ditch 1080p use the resources for something else. I think most games would benefit from the resources going elsewhere.

 

[Angelus Errare]

Nothing official, but there had been rumours of it. Our own Amirox even mentioned it.

He only stated that increasing a console game's resolution by patch is possible (though this was obvious IMO). That's hardly any indication that there is a 1080p patch coming for XBO version.

 

[TheKayle]

Nice tag

You're one of those 'dvd's look the same blu-ray' people, aren't you?

i love how michael spin
no im the one supporting ready at down tha are choosing for the order 1886.. to spend computing resource in other aspect than merely resolution ....

 

[DarkFlow]

All these fuckups are keeping me entertained till I can get my own ps4 in Feb. Keep them coming xbone and ps4.

 

[sTaTIx]

i do ..re read the other post that i did...about this "differences"

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=89783114&postcount=1494

if i show u that lower res version saying is 1080p...

withtou anything to compare on...im more incline to say that you (or most ppl) will trust is 1080p...coz..this differences arent great as ppl wanna think and all this case..is the clear proof of evidence

You must think I'm an idiot, or blind.

There is ZERO fucking way I would mistake a 720p image for a 1080p image. Nada. None. ZERO percent. It's not happening. I've been a home theater enthusiast for years now, and playing games on both PC and console for way too long to make an obvious mistake like that.

If you should me a 900p image, then MAYBE, just MAYBE, I would mistake it for 1080p. But definitely NOT a 720p image.

 

[TheKayle]

""I can confidently say that graphics matter," he added, "because I played through Killzone: Shadow Fall. What I mean is, most people probably can't tell looking at 720p or 1080p unless you're in the industry or you're a hardware nerd,"

Yoshida told GamesIndustry.biz.

@statix

im talking about most of MOST of ppl...

 

[plagiarize]

the differences between 1080p and 720p are not noticable as ppl thing they are..at least for a great majority of ppl out there

I think anyone claiming that a majority of people can or can't see something, should have to provide some kind of supporting evidence. That's what I think.

""I can confidently say that graphics matter," he added, "because I played through Killzone: Shadow Fall. What I mean is, most people probably can't tell looking at 720p or 1080p unless you're in the industry or you're a hardware nerd,"

Yoshida told GamesIndustry.biz.

@static

im talking about most of MOST of ppl...

it's great when you're playing a shooter and you can see the enemy far away from you and you can move the crosshair to aim with pixel perfect precision.

selective quoting is fun.

 

[TheKayle]

I think anyone claiming that a majority of people can or can't see something, should have to provide some kind of supporting evidence. That's what I think.

go on the resolution gate thread...and count the users that seen differences between the the sp screenshots and videos...

this are the ppl that honestly cannot see differences....(and are in % most)

 

[sTaTIx]

@statix

im talking about most of MOST of ppl...

"Most of people" wouldn't notice or care because they have never experienced the glory and difference of true 1080p gaming.

It's like people who eat McDonalds burgers all their lives. They won't know how good filet mignon is until they've tried it.

 

[TheKayle]

I think anyone claiming that a majority of people can or can't see something, should have to provide some kind of supporting evidence. That's what I think.





selective quoting is fun.

there isnt any pixel perfection in 1080p...

so what is 1440 on pc super pixel perfection?.....or 4k or 5k...that is just pr

 

[plagiarize]

go on the resolution gate thread...and count the users that seen differences between the the sp screenshots and videos...

this are the ppl that honestly cannot see differences....(and are in % most)

do your own leg work mate.

there isnt any pixel perfection in 1080p...

so what is 1440 on pc super pixel perfection?.....or 4k or 5k...that is just pr

again, read the whole quote. he's talking about 1080p on a 1080p display. that's what makes it pixel perfect. 1:1 pixel mapping.

 

[sTaTIx]

go on the resolution gate thread...and count the users that seen differences between the the sp screenshots and videos...

this are the ppl that honestly cannot see differences....(and are in % most)

Flawed argument. Those people were affected the power of suggestion.

Aka, confirmation bias. Look it up.

 

[Brad Grenz]

Everyone lost.

Those claiming major differences - lost.
Those claiming no difference, and not questioning said observaison - lost.
IW/Activision - lost.

Nobody wins, except gaffers getting to the bottom of the problem through picture analysis.

I think it's actually kind of the opposite. Everyone was right. The reviewers who couldn't see a difference were right, because if they were looking at the SP game there was no difference to see, even if they were being told the PS4 was running 1080p. The reviewers who saw a clear difference were right, because if they were looking at MP the difference in resolution would have been obvious. And the "forum trolls" were right, because not being able to see a difference between 720p and 1080p side by side is literally impossible. So all those parties were correct, the problem was no one knew why those positions didn't agree with each other until Tuesday when the SP footage for both systems came out and we discovered something was amiss.

The real loser in this situation is Activision for creating such an enormous cock up in the first place, and compounding that problem by doubling down on a position to IGN that was demonstrably false. Oh, and Gies because he's a clown.

 

[TheKayle]

"Most of people" wouldn't notice or care because they have never experienced the glory and difference of true 1080p gaming.

It's like people who eat McDonalds burgers all their lives. They won't know how good filet mignon is until they've tried it.

...uh?...i think x360 had games in 1080p as the ps3....i think xb1 will have 1080p games as the ps4...i think most pc nowday can do at least 1080p..

 

[C.Dark.DN]

I think anyone claiming that a majority of people can or can't see something, should have to provide some kind of supporting evidence. That's what I think.





selective quoting is fun.

I think it's less that people can't tell and more they don't really consume 1080p native content to start appreciating the differences

Unless you buy blu-rays or have a fast enough internet for ultra netflix, people are only seeing 720p and 1080i on their TV's.

 

[TheKayle]

do your own leg work mate.



again, read the whole quote. he's talking about 1080p on a 1080p display. that's what makes it pixel perfect. 1:1 pixel mapping.

..be realistic with yourself in a action shooter ...u arent an aimbot..and that pixelperfection is something that u will never feel as him is talking about...

that are just pr

 

[plagiarize]

..be realistic with yourself in a action shooter ...u arent an aimbot..and that pixelperfection is something that u will never feel...

you took Yoshida completely out of context. that's what I'm trying to demonstrate here. You quoted half a sentence that begins 'graphics matter'. You didn't quote him saying 1080p vs 720p is a significant difference. You didn't quote him talking about how native 1080p displayed on a native 1080p screen makes a difference to gameplay.

You saw the one bit that matched what you believe and you ignored the rest. It's called confirmation bias.

 

[Facism]

..be realistic with yourself in a action shooter ...u arent an aimbot..and that pixelperfection is something that u will never feel as he is talking about...

Delicious nonsense

 

[Thrakier]

"Most of people" wouldn't notice or care because they have never experienced the glory and difference of true 1080p gaming.

It's like people who eat McDonalds burgers all their lives. They won't know how good filet mignon is until they've tried it.

Exactly.

 

[dark10x]

..be realistic with yourself in a action shooter ...u arent an aimbot..and that pixelperfection is something that u will never feel as him is talking about...

that are just pr

You've got to be kidding me. 1:1 pixel mapping is HUGELY important and the lack of it looks like shit on a flat panel. One of the reasons I hate modern display technology (especially LCD).

Besides, you've said it yourself that less than 1080p isn't next-gen sooooo...

 

[TheKayle]

you took Yoshida completely out of context. that's what I'm trying to demonstrate here. You quoted half a sentence that begins 'graphics matter'. You didn't quote him saying 1080p vs 720p is a significant difference. You didn't quote him talking about how native 1080p displayed on a native 1080p screen makes a difference to gameplay.

You saw the one bit that matched what you believe and you ignored the rest. It's called confirmation bias.

no he saing just something right....and then NEEDED to add something to give the pounch to ms....
average joe will not see feel and cant tell any difference playing games at 1080p or 720p...