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Twitch.tv update imposes delay up to 60s in streams, viewer interaction impacted

Zemm

Member
I find it hard to believe the amount of buffering has dropped when I never had any before this month and right now watching some Counterstrike I'm buffering atleast twice a minute even though it's not even using 10% of my bandwidth. I'm not saying they're fudging the numbers, but they're fudging the numbers.
 
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Deleted member 17706

Unconfirmed Member
A 60s delay would really kill the point of a livestream in my mind.
 

Mesoian

Member
Any time you spoke, it would echo, as if you were watching your own stream, so we would hear you and then the stream.

Something like that. I couldn't tell if the game sounds were echoing as well.

If your mic is going through both your streaming software AND DOTA you'll get an echo. that's what I'd check first.
 

Sixfortyfive

He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
I find it hard to believe the amount of buffering has dropped when I never had any before this month and right now watching some Counterstrike I'm buffering atleast twice a minute even though it's not even using 10% of my bandwidth. I'm not saying they're fudging the numbers, but they're fudging the numbers.
A lot of the changes they've implemented over the past year don't jive well with certain encoder settings. So, it's entirely plausible that whatever streams you're watching are set up in a manner that was compatible with the old method but has problems with the new one, and the streamer just hasn't configured things appropriately. (Basically, ask whoever you're watching if their dashboard says that their configuration is "Excellent" or not. I wouldn't be surprised if you're still having problems even if this is the case, to be honest, but it's worth checking.)

A lot of the new encoding criteria they've laid out for streamers is rather restricting. One specific change that was kind of big is that you're not supposed to use variable bitrate video at all anymore.
 

kudoboi

Member
first youtube, now twitch. we really need a new gaming only site that doesn't suck and allows both uploading and live streaming
 

S0N0S

Member
I couldn't remember what it was called, but yeah.

We're not getting that either.

That's up to EviLore. I had responded to a PM of his last month, but still no reply-back. I'll try again early Jan when I can set time aside to set the team up, invite everyone, and manage any potential issues that might come up.
 

Mesoian

Member
That's up to EviLore. I had responded to a PM of his last month, but still no reply-back. I'll try again early Jan when I can set time aside to set the team up, invite everyone, and manage any potential issues that might come up.

Cool. That was still a cool idea.
 

RiccochetJ

Gold Member
The comments from the twitch stream is pretty interesting from a technical standpoint. You're actually downloading small files of seconds of video?

Is there someone on here familiar with the technology? They're saying that the large providers went to this and that's what they had to move to as Twitch is getting larger and ultimately things became unsustainable the way they were.
 

Htown

STOP SHITTING ON MY MOTHER'S HEADSTONE
So does this basically break SaltyBets?

I mean the thing works by showing you who to you can bet on in the stream, then you click "bet" on the website, and the match starts like 30 seconds after.
 

Venfayth

Member
"The new system is more flexible to work with, which will allow for us to do cool things in the future that were not possible with the previous system."

Hopefully that means DVR functions like Youtube live streaming has.

It does. As well as quality options for everyone who streams, not just partners (paid streamers) like it is now.

I don't think AGDQ ever read the stream chat, or do so in a dialogue capacity.

As well as reducing the capacity for streamers to interact with their audience, this change also introduces incongruity for viewers, as viewers are often watching different parts of the same broadcast. There was evidence before of some viewers being behind the "front" of the feed by something like 3-4 minutes. Theoretically it could end up being much worse than this depending on how often they view a buffer.
 

frequency

Member
I actually get buffering more now than before. I never got buffering before but it happens on a fairly regular basis now. So I don't know if I believe those numbers...
 

Htown

STOP SHITTING ON MY MOTHER'S HEADSTONE
This is what happens when a company lacks competition in their market. They make any change they want, degraded user experience or not, because where else are you going to go?

This is the same reason everyone hates their cable company.
 

tafer

Member
So does this basically break SaltyBets?

I mean the thing works by showing you who to you can bet on in the stream, then you click "bet" on the website, and the match starts like 30 seconds after.

Salty tried dealing with it adding a delay to the bet system but because the delay is kinda random, it works only partially.
 

Nokterian

Member
Last test for tonight i think i found the problem of the echo.

http://www.hitbox.tv/Nokterian

Say hi in the channel and leave a comment!


Edit : Found the problem! I had my mic also on my webcam lol. Tested with 3 other people and sound was now crystal clear and stream was pretty good thanks for the fellow gaffers! Also more people need to sign up here. Works pretty amazing!
 

Artadius

Member
When is Steam going to implement a streaming service / app? Its one the major pieces missing from their experience at this point.
 

Arken2121

Member
I'm really thinking about trying this new service. One of the things that would help would require a mass following. Unless you're an already established streamer, it'll be tough to get an audience. I've had about 20 second delays on my Twitch channel and it's pretty much unbearable. I pretty much just type now to answer/interact.
 

Zemm

Member
AGDQ chat is just people spamming "Where's Yellow shirt guy!!!!????" or "YSG!!!!" anyway.

Which is AWESOME!
 

Venfayth

Member
Just tried to stream to hitbox.tv but encountered severe stuttering problems. I really would love to use this service because of how awful Twitch is, but I can't stream at an acceptable bitrate.

Also, I did a timing test with a viewer to respond to my chat.

hitbox.tv took 17 seconds
twitch.tv took 27 seconds

anecdotal, though.
 

Dark Schala

Eloquent Princess
I hope this doesn't make AGDQ less enjoyable.
SGDQ had so much buffering for me this year that I just had to hide the chat. I think I might carry on doing that.

With that said, events like SaltyBets, VGCW and various other speedrunning practice streams generally rely on the chat in terms of interaction between the viewer and what's going on onstream (ex: SaltyBets with matches starting 30s after bets are made, VGCW chat reacting to what's going on right then and there along with the broadcaster himself, Cosmo and other speedrunners practicing and taking questions and reacting right along with their chat).

Smaller streamers who just do it for fun are generally people who interact more with their audience because they're either streaming for their friends (like I usually do, and I interact with my audience all the time), they're playing games that require choices and may leave it up to their audiences (ex: if they're playing visual novels, RPGs with choices, old CD ROM games with narrative branches like MODE, etc. -- yeah you'd have to sit there for minutes waiting for your chat to catch up and deliver their votes in that case), or various other reasons. It just feels like Twitch is catering to a lot of those bigger events.

And I'm watching someone stream on hitbox right now, and there is a toooooooon of ghosting going on. While the chat is faster, you do have stuttering and stuff. Audio seems fine. It's just the video. :/
 

Arken2121

Member
I know that you really don't build a community within Twitch, it has to start elsewhere. However, for the smaller streamers, this is a huge kick in the balls for those wanting to actually make one.
 

Sarcasm

Member
I can watch multiple hitbox streams but not twitch. (on my netbook).



As a for fun streaming guy like me with probably less than 100 follows I am considering switching to HB for all of my future streaming.
 

Arken2121

Member
I can watch multiple hitbox streams but not twitch. (on my netbook).



As a for fun streaming guy like me with probably less than 100 follows I am considering switching to HB for all of my future streaming.

For some reason I can't seem to get the video to work on HB. It shows the ad and then nothing. I do hope the service gets some traffic though.
 
Sounds like Sony needs to provide their own PS+ only streaming service that allows us to view others and interact like with Twitch but with much higher quality streams and none of the bull.
 
This is terrible, it's so clear that they know they're doing something which won't affect their biggest events but will be hugely detrimental to the smaller streamers.
 
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