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Super Smash Bros Wii U & 3DS Thread 4: New Year, Old Arguments
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dryuriev7777
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I gotta admit, ridding Zelda of her Sheik transformation and instead making SS Impa a new-ish character with a lot of Sheik's moveset would be pretty fantastic. I would never switch between Zelda/Sheik mid battle anyways.
Not sure who called the Zelda avatar, but it has been made.
Awesome, as always, good work ^o^
Also, next reveal would be Zero Suit Samus, then Dixie Kong, Palutena, Sheik/Impa and finally, name change to Super Smash Sister
Even the Wii Remote had multiple taunt inputs. 3DS has more than enough input options for it.
But I'm more willing to believe that the Phantom is a red herring than an actual change to Zelda's moveset.
NeonZ
Member
I wonder if they'd completely do away with her OoT spells based moveset?
This could replace Din's Fire (Controllable "projectile" of sorts), light arrows to replace Nayru's love, Farore's Wind could basically stay. With light arrows becoming a standard attack, her final Smash could be something like the sage's blast at the end of Ocarina of Time.
OrangeGrayBlue
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I admit that Captain Syrup is just a shot in the dark, but I also mentioned every other retro character that seems feasible as a possibility. I think Dixie will be paired with Diddy, meaning the DK franchise would have 3 slots total.
Medusa comes from the lack of a female villain in the game and Sakurai just made Kid Icarus.
Frankly, we've reached a point where all the new characters will be kind of obscure/random unless they start throwing in a bunch of Mario and Pokemon characters.
Akibastman
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Ghirahim, Paper Mario, 9 Volt and Syrup are defintely not in the "most likely" category. I'm not saying they won't be included
(They won't)
Maybe feasible was the wrong word. I actually mean I don't see why he'd do that. However, a red herring seems more logical than the other previous theories.
That sounds more like Link, with the arrows. I don't want that, personally. ><
OrangeGrayBlue
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The smash bros series has already included every super-obvious character. Ghirahim is a SS rep, 9-Volt for Warioware, Paper Mario character of some sort because the series is yet to be represented, and Capt. Syrup because we know that some retro character will be in.
Who is more likely than those? Waluigi? Shulk? I'm doubtful.
Wow, look at Zelda go. She looks so fierce.
She looks very pale and serious, but it seems to suit her well.
I don't think they would make the Phantom Knight thing a move for Zelda. Sakurai doesn't seem to mix Toon stuff with the "regular" stuff in the Zelda series, but it could be a first (though I would like that to be done with Ganondorf). Though someone else noted that the poses are the same between two pictures so it may not be a move.
lol
She looks very pale and serious, but it seems to suit her well.
I don't think they would make the Phantom Knight thing a move for Zelda. Sakurai doesn't seem to mix Toon stuff with the "regular" stuff in the Zelda series, but it could be a first (though I would like that to be done with Ganondorf). Though someone else noted that the poses are the same between two pictures so it may not be a move.
Well this theory is bust.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
I'm very curious about Phantom. I really enjoy the speculations about Phantom, since it's rare to have a speculation about something new for our returning characters.
Plus, if Phantom is ending up being a move for Zelda, then I would say, BANK ON TOON ZELDA!
(My post from other thread)
Plus, if Phantom is ending up being a move for Zelda, then I would say, BANK ON TOON ZELDA!
(My post from other thread)
Akibastman
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I don't think any Zelda rep is "likely". We already have 4 Zelda characters. Twilight Princess was out when Brawl came out, we didn't get Wolf Link or Zant.
Paper Mario and WarioWare are more or less spin-off franchises and can be represented by trophies, assist trophies, stickers, stamps, i don't know.
and Captain Syrup is pretty obscure, she's been in 3 games. She has as much chance to be in Smash than Wart or Geno.
More likely characters are the ones you said: Little Mac, a Mii, Pacman, a Donkey Kong rep.
Again, I'm not saying these characters have absolutely no chance to be in Smash Bros, but they aren't as likely these other ones to be included.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Farore's Wind is a shitty recovery
It has to be a new move, maybe not a replacement for Down B but that could happen.
1. Why would Sakurai reveal a new AT (and not mention it) on the day of a character reveal.
2. Phantom looks very detailed, for instance compare it to Skull Kid.
3. Phantom's sword slash leaves a "cut" or crescent mark in the air like many character attacks in Smash 4.
And as you said that move fits Toon Zelda much better so it could imply her.
Agreed. Slow, and some objects completely block her movement. Hopefully, that's fixed.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Look like I'm more likely to update the tally for Super Smash Bros 4 Roster Contest in few days.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
It's more likely.
The 30th is a Monday though.
PorygonVandal
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ENOUGH ZELDA!
King Dedede or Metaknight on January 10th?
King Dedede or Metaknight on January 10th?
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
This is the first month were we got 2 character reveals eh?
theprodigy
Member
Oh look another character that has the exact same design from Brawl despite being in a number of games since then.
Probably has the exact same move set just like everyone else too, Sheik included.
Her move set references will officially be ancient. Just like the character of Sheik. Predates even Mario's FLUDD. Which is another ancient item that's taken from the least successful and most poorly received Mario platformer.
So disappointed that the only characters with some real changes to their move sets are Bowser and somewhat Pit, and the only character that really has updated looks is Samus (and Bowser to an extent).
Probably has the exact same move set just like everyone else too, Sheik included.
Her move set references will officially be ancient. Just like the character of Sheik. Predates even Mario's FLUDD. Which is another ancient item that's taken from the least successful and most poorly received Mario platformer.
So disappointed that the only characters with some real changes to their move sets are Bowser and somewhat Pit, and the only character that really has updated looks is Samus (and Bowser to an extent).
BassForever
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We won't get another reveal this month unless tomorrow is Shiek
theprodigy
Member
Sakurai: "oh btw Yoshi's in this game of course"
Toon Link and Sonic weren't very far apart. Like a week I think.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Actually, Jan 11.
Nope, September is our first month that we got two characters, Peach and Toon Link.
What about Zelda with a potential new move, Phantom. Yeah, we don't know anything about Phantom yet but I'm hoping that we would get a update on that tomorrow.
The more likely scenario is that it's an Assist Trophy. She's just in the middle of some updated animation for some move we've seen before, let's be real. I think the picture of her doing the same pose in a different scene with no Phantom seals that.
Plus, isn't Link the one that controlled those things? Why would Zelda have that as a move? I don't think they're willing to put moves from anything outside of OoT/TP together with that Zelda design anyways.
What do you mean, "somewhat Pit?" Practically all his specials have been dramatically reworked from what we've seen. And Bowser is drastically different from his Brawl incarnation.
Zelda possessed those while she was traveling with Link.
Have fun
Lol, too good.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Well, I decided to review what kind of informations we got from Sakurai and his daily images for this month.
three 3DS stages (AC3DS, Rainbow Road and Find Mii (StreetPass Quest))
three assist trophies (Nintendog, Stafy and Skull Kid)
two characters (Rosalina & Luma and Zelda)
one item (Torpedo Gun)
few buff or moveset explanation
Overall, it has been a great month of update for us. I hope that next month would be a great ride for us once again.
three 3DS stages (AC3DS, Rainbow Road and Find Mii (StreetPass Quest))
three assist trophies (Nintendog, Stafy and Skull Kid)
two characters (Rosalina & Luma and Zelda)
one item (Torpedo Gun)
few buff or moveset explanation
Overall, it has been a great month of update for us. I hope that next month would be a great ride for us once again.
Adding a couple specials doesn't constitute an enormous change to me. It's not like they even constitute the majority of his move set.
And I know about Bowser, that's why I didn't say "somewhat Bowser." I wish there were a lot more character updates like Bowser, but so far he's the only one.
Ah right. Just looked it up. Memory is hazy about that game.
In that case, there's your Toon Zelda. An assist trophy.
Zeldas three special moves are based on the spells from the Great Fairy of Magic you cant have one without the other two or else the point of Zelda having those moves in the first place is gone. There would be no uniformity. Giving her Farores Wind, Nayrus Love, and
a random Phantom summon makes no sense. Not to mention, TP Zelda and ST Zelda couldnt be more different from each other.
Its so easy for Sakurai to trick you guys.
Its so easy for Sakurai to trick you guys.
MillionVolts
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January 11th is a Saturday. Pokémon X/Y was also released on a Saturday and we all expected a reveal for that. I'm predicting they'll reveal somebody random next month.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Zeldas three special moves are based on the spells from the Great Fairy of Magic you cant have one without the other two or else the point of Zelda having those moves in the first place is gone. There would be no uniformity. Giving her Farores Wind, Nayrus Love, and a random Phantom summon makes no sense. Not to mention, TP Zelda and ST Zelda couldnt be more different from each other.
Its so easy for Sakurai to trick you guys.
Probably. I did suspected that it was assist trophy or off-screen Toon Zelda' moveset but people convinced me that it's not with their good points and explantation.
January 10, then. Pikmin 3 was released on a Saturday and Olimar was revealed the day before.
Of Pit's five specials, we've seen some big changes to four of them. Everything else is subject to change, since we've already seen some modifications to him from his original screenshots in ones posted later.
And you did say Bowser to an extent, it sounded like you were downplaying his remodel for whatever reason. We've also seen a redesigned Pikachu and Marth, so I'm not really sure what else you'd want to see in these characters - they're a low key affair because they're known quantities. Any changes they make to them are interesting but not worth stealing the spotlight from new ones.
Zeldas three special moves are based on the spells from the Great Fairy of Magic you cant have one without the other two or else the point of Zelda having those moves in the first place is gone. There would be no uniformity. Giving her Farores Wind, Nayrus Love, and a random Phantom summon makes no sense. Not to mention, TP Zelda and ST Zelda couldnt be more different from each other.
Its so easy for Sakurai to trick you guys.
....Now if only she had a super sword spin too
User 73706
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So, let's just consider possibilities here - what color is WFT's blood? Would she turn red if she blushed or would it be blue or something? I'm asking because my fedora-toting friend is a waifu connoisseur.
What does blood have to do with waifu?
Neoriceisgood
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Zeldas three special moves are based on the spells from the Great Fairy of Magic you cant have one without the other two or else the point of Zelda having those moves in the first place is gone. There would be no uniformity. Giving her Farores Wind, Nayrus Love, and a random Phantom summon makes no sense. Not to mention, TP Zelda and ST Zelda couldnt be more different from each other.
Its so easy for Sakurai to trick you guys.
To be frank, we haven't seen any of her moves in the screenshots, have we?
For all you know all her old specials are gone.
The Phantom is an updated, realistic-style model of a "Toon" character. It's not like Brawl, where even Toon Link was grittied up - compare that Phantom to the Toon Link model, then to the Zelda model. Which is it more cohesive with? Zelda by far.
I find it more likely that Sakurai represented Zelda's first real "active" role in a game with a new move than completely redesigning a character to completely change what it looks like for the purpose of elevating an obscure handheld-only baddie to Assist Trophy status... and then halfheartedly revealing it on Zelda's reveal page. Without knowing how her new moveset looks/works, we can't say how the pose she's striking is relevant either way. Maybe it is Din's Fire - and she summoned the Phantom before using it. Maybe it's the Phantom animation and it walked beyond where Link and Peach are standing. We can't be sure.
It's definitely possible that it's just clever AT placement, but I think it's more likely part of her moveset.
My thought process is - it's a new Down B. Sheik has either been split off into her own character (possible) or shifted to a Taunt change. Assuming that's true, it gives a LOT of credit to Toon Zelda as a one-to-one clone of Zelda, but without a Sheik transformation.
I find it more likely that Sakurai represented Zelda's first real "active" role in a game with a new move than completely redesigning a character to completely change what it looks like for the purpose of elevating an obscure handheld-only baddie to Assist Trophy status... and then halfheartedly revealing it on Zelda's reveal page. Without knowing how her new moveset looks/works, we can't say how the pose she's striking is relevant either way. Maybe it is Din's Fire - and she summoned the Phantom before using it. Maybe it's the Phantom animation and it walked beyond where Link and Peach are standing. We can't be sure.
It's definitely possible that it's just clever AT placement, but I think it's more likely part of her moveset.
My thought process is - it's a new Down B. Sheik has either been split off into her own character (possible) or shifted to a Taunt change. Assuming that's true, it gives a LOT of credit to Toon Zelda as a one-to-one clone of Zelda, but without a Sheik transformation.