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Xbox One will provide live NFL games at a blazing 60fps
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>>implies 60fps is the standard framerate for video.
I was wondering what they were going to do to spice this NFL arrangement up. I don't do fantasy football so the NFL tie in wasn't exactly blowing my skirt up. If I had an XB1 this might make me take a second look. Would also help if my team was somehow involved in a game that mattered, but that's neither here nor there.
The same company (Neulion) is also working on bringing content to PS4.
From the source:
From the source:
http://www.cedmagazine.com/news/2014/01/nfl-network-to-stream-live-on-xbox-one
GameSeeker
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60fps at 720p is a standard ATSC broadcast mode.
See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Television_Systems_Committee_standards
Broadcasters can choose what resolution and framerate they broadcast.
LittleJohnny
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It's sort of important when it comes to fast action and sports. Most broadcasters have moved to 1080i because of marketing pressure of having the highest resolution, but 720 60p actually requires more bandwidth than 1080 30i and has better motion resolution.
This is something I definitely want to see with my own eyes. Very interesting concept and I can imagine it being awesome to watch sports in 60fps. Its definitely needed.
To those complaining about it only being 720p. The stream at 60fps, like it says, is 6Mbps. This would max out a 54Mb connection. Ridiculous BW requirements.
Definitely want to see this for myself.
To those complaining about it only being 720p. The stream at 60fps, like it says, is 6Mbps. This would max out a 54Mb connection. Ridiculous BW requirements.
Definitely want to see this for myself.
DietRob
i've been begging for over 5 years.
This. I'll admit it was a little jarring at first to see the hobbit in 48fps. I'd like to give it a shot.
Netherscourge
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Meh - I want 120FPS.
What good is 120hz TV's without 120FPS framerates!
What good is 120hz TV's without 120FPS framerates!
LowEndTorque
Member
BLAZING fast!!!
Only possible on XBOX ONE™ with the infinite power of the cloud™.
Only possible on XBOX ONE™ with the infinite power of the cloud™.
Gotta use that Smooth Motion.
Meaningless unless the NFL is broadcasting in 60fps.
99% of TVs already do this sort of thing. Motion "insert marketing name here".
Converting a 24 or 30hz signal to something higher is just a gimmick. You can't add frames that don't exist. Only create in between ones with a averaging algorithm.
99% of TVs already do this sort of thing. Motion "insert marketing name here".
Converting a 24 or 30hz signal to something higher is just a gimmick. You can't add frames that don't exist. Only create in between ones with a averaging algorithm.
NerdEyeBlind
Member
This sounds cool!
OMAHA
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1501544/60fps-tv
Here's a really long discussion. The 720p60 is almost always frame-doubled to hit 60.
Fox has some 4k60 rigs for NFL that they have shot in and it is supposed to be insane looking.
Banjo-Kazooie
Member
Not entirely...
I have RedZone, but I have it through my cable provider, Comcast(XFINITY), and for whatever reason, Comcast isn't a selectable option when setting up RedZone via the app.
I've been trying to find out who the heck to ask/bug about this, but it's pretty BS imo.
edit: I've been trying to go through and see what I have done wrong, but I can't seem to get it to work. Does anyone with Comcast have it hooked up?
edit2: Okay, so support just confirmed to me that Comcast should be selectable, so I'm going to try troubleshooting a bit.
entremet
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Fox is ghetto style HD, though.
Prophet Steve
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I am kind of assuming this is recorded at that framerate. Otherwise, yeah, that is bad.
Valkyr Junkie
Member
So only for NFL Network games? I doubt all the other networks that air games record at 60fps presently.
No bad. Just marketing with buzz words most people won't understand.
Is not the truth, but not a lie either.
There's very little native 60hz content as of yet. Hell, we don't even have much 48hz content!
schwabdizzle
Banned
so can I watch every game or? I am wondering the definition of coverage we are talking about.
SaucyJack
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The BBC has been experimenting with 300 fps for sports broadcasts
http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/rd/pubs/whp/whp-pdf-files/WHP169.pdf
Banjo-Kazooie
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You forgot to tag this post
LittleJohnny
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KojiKnight
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There seems to be some confusion...
Most TV shows are recorded at the "cinematic" 24fps that we're all aware of. There are a lot of reasons for this, but the most prominent being it's simply cheaper. It's cheaper to edit 20% less footage, it's cheaper to apply effects to 20% less footage, etc.
Most soap operas/cable news/sports/etc use 30fps. Not sure what soap operas do, but news/sports/etc use it because there is actually less editing involved in their work and faster video is useful for capturing more details.
Microsoft is going to be doing NFL games in 60fps, which is double the standard for cable/satellite TV in the best of case scenarios.
Most TV shows are recorded at the "cinematic" 24fps that we're all aware of. There are a lot of reasons for this, but the most prominent being it's simply cheaper. It's cheaper to edit 20% less footage, it's cheaper to apply effects to 20% less footage, etc.
Most soap operas/cable news/sports/etc use 30fps. Not sure what soap operas do, but news/sports/etc use it because there is actually less editing involved in their work and faster video is useful for capturing more details.
Microsoft is going to be doing NFL games in 60fps, which is double the standard for cable/satellite TV in the best of case scenarios.
Homunculus
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Blazing, you say? Gotta love advertising keywords.
Ray Wonder
Founder of the Wounded Tagless Children
I would assume that most of the cameras are recording around 60fps. They all can show slowmo footage without stuttering. I would love to see the game in 60fps. Most shows I wouldn't care about, but sports, yes. I like the idea.
Senor Kami
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I only have over-the-air TV and it's generally perfect, but CBS is wonky sometimes and NBC can't be picked up at all. If I could watch football via the internet (which I do for NBC and it's great) on my TV without having to tie up my computer, that'd be great.
You probably have to buy like Season Pass or something for this even if you only want games broadcast in your area though. Not willing to pay multiple hundreds per year just for it.
You probably have to buy like Season Pass or something for this even if you only want games broadcast in your area though. Not willing to pay multiple hundreds per year just for it.
"Sony too"
miDnIghtEr20C
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It's more amusing to me that there's a couple people here and there caught up on the word "blazing" instead of the subject at hand. NFL Football at 720p 60fps. That's awesome. I don't care what console does it, and if it's blazing or not. I'm sure lot's of people will be "blazing" watching those games enjoying a BBQ and drinking some beers! Ehh yo!
But seriously. This is a cool step. I wonder if they do Basketball games like this too... or can. I always remembered that 720p was better for Sports when I first bought an HD TV many years ago. Dude at Frys was telling me for sports and fast images... 720p. Things like National Geographics videos and slower moving things like that were great with 1080i.
Anyhoo.
And make all your programming look like it was shot in the 50's.
silver.tongue
Member
Oh, No! Not Sony Too!
Only confusion is if the NFL is actually capturing 1080p60. Microsoft can only provide what they're given from the cameras.
infinityBCRT
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Ugh this thread is making my head explode.
- yes, tv is 60fps (although some pal areas may be 50fps)
- someone asked for them to do this with the NHL.... They already are!! The only issue is you can't access the 60fps stream from your PC because they use flash and it would be too slow. Most of the apps (ps3, ps4, 360, Apple TV on the newer models) can playback 60fps but you'll want to wire your device because it requires a constant 5MBPS connection and wifi usually isn't that reliable. It will spike up and down.
- the difference between streaming sports at 30fps and 60fps is VERY noticeable. With NHL, it goes from looking like you're watching a stream to looking like you're watching an actual hd channel from an hd cable box. And because hockey is a fast sport the effect is more noticeable than usual. It's annoying when I can't pull the full 60fps stream (live in an apartment so during high traffic times internet sucks) because it looks so much worse at 30fps
- oh and if people are getting up in arms about 720p they are being ridiculous. Most sports networks broadcast in 720p. Note that tv stations are usually 720p or 1080i. That being said I do think 1080i actually works fine for a sports broadcast as long as the deinterlacing filter is good. CBC does it for hockey night in canada and that always looks fantastic. But the problem is with streaming, you probably get into a dicey situation with trying to do 1080i as I doubt many modern streaming codecs are optimized to stream interlaced video. And the bandwidth of 1080p would be way too high.
OldAsUrSock
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Young child, the point is for a smooth playback.
travisbickle
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I don't get it? Haven't there been PPV events in 60fps?
If you haven't watched sports at 60 fps then you shouldn't comment in this thread about it being a waste or anything else stupid like that.
Higher frame rate is absolutely 100% better than lower frame rate for sports. It's not an opinion or preference like when you watch the hobbit at 48 fps and think it 'looks weird and fake'.
If you know anyone who has access to NBA League Pass Broadband and a half decent internet connection, tell them to fire up a game and set it to 3500 setting, watch it for a couple minutes and then have them bump it up to 4000 setting and then have sports at low FPS ruined for you forever.
Higher frame rate is absolutely 100% better than lower frame rate for sports. It's not an opinion or preference like when you watch the hobbit at 48 fps and think it 'looks weird and fake'.
If you know anyone who has access to NBA League Pass Broadband and a half decent internet connection, tell them to fire up a game and set it to 3500 setting, watch it for a couple minutes and then have them bump it up to 4000 setting and then have sports at low FPS ruined for you forever.
infinityBCRT
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People are being silly. If anyone has watched sports on cable they've seen it at 60fps. They just don't know it.
Also the line that says cable boxes can't deliver nfl at 60 FPS is specifically speaking about ip tv through an app. Of course cable boxes can display channels at 60fps
Not 1080p60, 1080i @ 60 fields per second (with a field being half the image). 60i = 30p
Can you provide me a link that confirms that this is true? Because I notice a VERY distinct difference between the television broadcasts and the league pass broadband broadcast on the highest setting.
This sounds far more likely just judging purely on what my eyes perceive.
60fps isn't the standard frame rate for broadcast TV.
Version 3.0
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It's not "Live NFL games".
It's "Live football coverage".
And:
It's just the NFL Network App. That doesn't even let you watch Thursday night games live, much less any good ones. You had me excited for a minute.
It's "Live football coverage".
And:
It's just the NFL Network App. That doesn't even let you watch Thursday night games live, much less any good ones. You had me excited for a minute.
Most broadcasts are 1080i/30 FYI