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GfK - One year after launch PS4 leads Xbone 4.4:1 in Germany
- Thread starter DieH@rd
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Yeah that DC vs FH2 doesn't makes sense since they are exclusives. And they are both adding up to 100% so the assumption of 61% of PS4 all users bought DC and 39% of all Xbone users bought FH2 is moot. I think.
thanks.
Not sales, just interest. So 70% searched for "Destiny PS4" and 30% for "Destiny Xbox One".
I think it means that DC sold near twice as much as FH2 in total. If DC sold 61k then FH2 sold 39k. Of course this means that the attachment rate is much better on the Xbox side as a ratio.
Idealo isn't a retailer, they don't sell anything. It's a huge site people compare prices on. So out of 100% searching for the best Destiny price, 80% looked up the PS4 version. There aren't sale numbers but they're a pretty good indicator for what is going on in Germany since both machines launched.
Captain Smoker
Member
That's VGChartzzzz
MastorofPuppetz
Banned
total hogwash, Ms is not some impossible foe who can do what they want when they want...Ps4 is ahead in the US for a reason.. Sony has mroe cards to play, ms already has lowered the price, that only goes so far you cannot do that every month. Sillyness after MS wins one month after a price cut bump. Sony will fight in the US and it will be close, ps4 is still in the drivers seat there.
You can't hotline from game front so adding a mirror
Oh God.
theprodigy
Member
yeah, I knew the PS4/XB1 numbers were off lol
MastorofPuppetz
Banned
Then you were not paying attention.....Ps3 despite 16 months later in europe and 12 in the US caught up to 360.....It was easy to see if sony launched the same time and price xbox never had a chance worldwide. Anyone who thought xbox would trample was out of touch with reality..MS has the same problem they always had, they only sell well in 2 territories, lack broader appeal of playstation, but sony also sells well in the Us/UK (Even better this gen then MS).
The year + head start and entire gen price advantage did wonders for MS, they were not going to have the same advantages this gen, and cannot bank on that going forward. Not to mention ps3 being bad architecture for development.
Head to head playstation will beat xbox everytime unless Ms drastically changes it's appeal worldwide. I honestly don;t think Ms cares about markets outside the Us that much.
FeiRR
Banned
I don't have a problem with the place where I live. I didn't choose where to be born.Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Serbia, Turkey, Bulgaria, Hungary... (I suppose some of these might also be considered Northern/Central Europe, apologies if calling them Eastern-European is incorrect, if that's what you were getting at. I tend to make the mistake as I'm in Germany and it's easy to conflate "Eastern-European" with the other European countries that are... well, to the east of us.)
I'm sorry but you're wrong. There's no special pricing on Steam for Eastern Europe (except for Russia) for almost all titles. We have the same prices like you do (e.g. Far Cry 4 is €59.99). In fact, because of currency conversion, it means our games are a bit more expensive on Steam. I could buy FC4 digitally for €35 or even cheaper but that's another vendor.
Okay, just people looking up for a game on one platform or the other, and not sales.
But still, what does the last comparison mean?
It doesn't make any sense to me...
Relative interest/sales, out of 100?
That's because Russia is outside of the EU. Restricting the free movement of goods within the EU is illegal, so if they price lower in some countries they have to allow people from all EU countries to buy from there too. I guess they can price cheaper in Ukraine and Belarus too if they want.
That's not true at all, for Russia and CIS countries at least. I mean Steam didn't introduce anything regarding regional pricing. It's a myth. Regional pricing was introduced by local publishers long before Steam even existed. In fact, PC games in Russia cost more now than they did 10-15 years ago.
I don't expect everybody being interested in arcade car racing games, though.
So this still looks like some weird statistic to me.
serversurfer
Member
Could be 1000k searches for DC and 500k for FH2, giving DC 67% of the "vote."
Did EU get the Plus discount on the digital DC? That may explain it's "poor" performance in the shops.
Well, maybe. I'm missing an explicit legend on this one.
And yes, DC 'PS+ upgrade edition' was only 40 on the PS Store at the time it's released, which was cheaper than any physical deal you could find in retail.
Unless they made up the statistic this must be exactly what they did. Aggregate number of searches for each then use the volume split percentage.
Seems obvious enough.
serversurfer
Member
Right. The same would apply to the other games, really. Maybe they had 1740k searches for GTA5 on PS4, and only 260k searches for XB3. It's possible they also had 500k searches for the PS3 version, but those aren't factored in here.
You're just comparing any two arbitrary products, really. It just happens that you're able to compare the same game on different platforms. It'd be interesting to see the PS3/PS4 split on Destiny or FIFA for example, to get an idea of how the Gen7->Gen8 migration is going, etc.
Huh. They're comparing the relative interest in the two games. Of those interested in either game, 61% are interested in DC and 39% in FH2
Dead Prince
Banned
Well :
Where, Aaron?
is this the case where US and UK is ROW?
But they ain't even number one in the US or UK :/
Devilgunman
Member
Well :
Where, Aaron?
Provably include flee market.
Dead Prince
Banned
it's all relative to them. Last data talk was from November NPD which they did in their PR in December 11. since no new data came out since it's about right. who cares about anything else ;P
slavesnyder
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First off, thanks for the detailed thoughts. Maybe it was a lot of pessimism for the playstation brand, but before the reveal I wasn't the only one thinking like that...
In fact, there were quite a lot of indicators that this gen would belong to Xbox. Let's keep it short and snappy:
Sony is broke. they cannot counter moneyhats. they will not be able to finance their studios any more. they will not be able to create a machine with a competetive price. They had such great ps1 and ps2, but ps3 was overloaded with features and the cell was simply a bad idea, the console was a mess. extrapolating the trend, ps4 will be even worse.
microsoft learned a lot, have deep pockets, are buddy-buddy with ea and will buy exclusivity whenever it is needed (FIFA for europe, shooter-stuff for the US). they will make the fastest console with the best online experience for the lowest price and easy to develop for.
Japanese game studios are in a crisis and doomed anyway, so there is no hope except being sponsored by xbox. kojima appearance on ms-stage was the beginning and a sign foor things to come...
By tone you mean worthless shit posting.
One does not simply extrapolate a trend from one data point. That should have been a warning in itself. MS had one good generation and Sony had one bad one. In Sonys case they lost marketshare but still outsold their HD rival launch aligned (at a cost of billions) . In MS case they did very well in the US and UK, thanks in large part to being available a year early and focusing on the English nations.
I'm sure before next gen the same thread of predictions will happen the other way around and who knows what might happen. Wii3 rises from the crumbed ashes of the WiiU and takes a barnstorming victory with 3rd party support to boot (lol).
serversurfer's explanation made it clear.
XB1 doing well in:
USA
America
'Muhrica
The States
The Land of the Free
UK
England
Britain
British isles
Anglia
Great Britain
Such success, much markets.
Begaria
Member
Don't forget Brazil!
and Wales we still want to be part of the United Kingdom.
slavesnyder
Member
Well, I am much wiser now. And quite happy with the situation as it is. but it's funny that in these discussions for everyone it had always been chrystal clear that sony will "win" the generation.
And about this trend extrapolating stuff: This is the most common and the most misused tool around. Hearing people talk about new stuff that got popular, like free to play some years ago, you can be sure that you hear about golden futures all around, ever growing markets and market leaders wherever you look.
And New Zealand too, I heard there were a whole lot of stacks of unsold PS4's over there.
EASTC0AST_GH05T
Member
Xbox One is obviously a amazing console, why does it rub people the wrong way when others express that they enjoy gaming on it?
King Beyond the wall
Member
Also don't forget Finland.
You forgot China where it has outsold the PS4 100k to none. Flawless victory.
Meh, Tommy Manberg (now known as The One and Done) and SenjutsuSage put more effort in their posts.
According to an Update given to German website/ magazine PC Games, GfK says that these rumored numbers were not released by them, and should not be attributed as such:
http://www.pcgames.de/PlayStation-4...-in-Deutschland-GfK-distanziert-sich-1145945/
http://www.pcgames.de/PlayStation-4...-in-Deutschland-GfK-distanziert-sich-1145945/
VGCrapz polluting the blogosphere with their numbers.
Aquamarine
Member
Jesus christ...this is immediate thread-lock worthy.
A breach of sales integrity is serious.
We should have known...since that source in the OP was so willing to cite bullshit Chartz figures as well.
I wouldn't be surprised if the actual numbers are similar though.
CortexVortex
Banned
I guess the actual numbers are even worse for the X1...
doesn't matter. sure, anyone can make an educated guess and maybe come close to the actual numbers. if they're not real, they're not real and shouldn't be taken as any indication.
Yes that's true, also I meant to say I wouldn't be surprised if the ratio is that big. lol
huntingzibod
Member
What I dont buy is that MS can literally buy their way out of a hole.
I understand that they have a war chest of cash, but like any business, they have to justify why a specific division can have x amount of cash.
If their end goal is to get lots of consoles into peoples hands, to sell software, so be it- quite valid and normal for this industry.
But if their cost of business is higher than the revenue they generate as a result, then what is the point?
The rzerblade model is pertnent - you have to sell your main product at a loss and make up with repeat business on overpriced blades. But if your losses are not offset by future revenue then you have no business.
THis year it's been quite incredible how far MS have been prepared to go to ensure they win this holiday season They are literally giving away their top games with every consolem and cutting the price too, aleit in selected markets. It is a gamble, but will it pay off before their losses outweigh their gains? At the end of the day they have to justify it at board and shareholder levels.
Sony on the otherhand might not have the might and warchests of MS, but they now know that the PS4 is their biggest and most sucesful product, so they arent going to let that market disappear so easily. Ensuring the PS4 continues to remain the success it is, and making them money, will focus them in a way I dont think we have seen since the original playstation.