benicillin
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This is not an equivalent situation, though. You're being intellectually dishonest.
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Reddit troll apologizes for trump CNN gif/all those racist remarks
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This is not an equivalent situation, though. You're being intellectually dishonest.
Pattycakes
Banned
These aren't the same thing at all. This is a terrible comparison.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
Member
Whenever I see someone go that far in a political thread on GAF, they usually get called out. Also, making threats against the President of the United States leaves you open to investigation and questioning by the FBI, the people this guy was targeting don't have that luxury.
Aaronology
Member
Fam, what is you doing? If that person was retweeted by Obama your analogy would both be more accurate and fall apart completely.
CannonFodder52
Member
Did he post that on r/ImGoingToHellForThis or r/the_donald ?
Crossing Eden
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It's almost like people would have a different reaction to a person being doxxed as a bisexual compared to someone who's revealed as a racist misogynistic piece of shit who threatens children and then claims that saying all that vile shit is an addiction. It's almost like this is a false equivalence because not all actions are morally equal. Hmmm ��
Pretty sure it was the donald
Because if you have a dissenting opinion you're a bigot, am I doing it right?
So that suddenly makes it ok to go after people for views? False equivalency doesn't suddenly mean witch hunts are ok, because their views are worse than ours. We need to be consistent and follow the principle of freedom of thought.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
I'm talking about the reaction of the audience that is riled by this shit. The President retweets a lot of shit posted by public. Should that mean that news outlet should go after everyone for scoops and "EXCLUSIVES"?
All in all, CNN is going to see more shitposts directed towards them.
because if you have a reddit account you're a bigot, am i doing it right?
Where has freedom of thought been violated? The guy isn't gonna go to jail if the things he said publicly are attached to his person.
If what the president is retweeting is violent, I'd damn well expect it.
Bam Bam Baklava
Member
A better comparison would be someone who says they love IS and wants to kill Americans. If that person were found out, I'd say tough luck pal and you had it coming.
I guess I see your point. I retract the majority of my earlier skepticism.
CNN still helped elect Trump so my sympathy only goes so far.
benicillin
Banned
Most of them don't make international news, and this particular piece was tweeted by Trump's personal account AND the White House account and THEN this guy came forward and claimed that he made it.
Theoretically could they look at everyone retweeted by The White House? Sure, but more often than not it wouldn't turn up this shit. And it's made the news every time he's retweeted white supremacist shit before.
Crossing Eden
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False equivalency means that you should maybe come up with a better way to say that individuals shouldn't be held accountable for their actions that include threatening children, copious use of the n word regardless of topic, and terroristic threats. And ffs FREEDOM OF THOUGHT DOES NOT MEAN FREEDOM OF CONSEQUENCES! How hard is that concept?? Have you never been punished for anything in your life?
Aaronology
Member
If it's newsworthy, yes. The POTUS sourcing from a racist posting from group dedicated to him is newsworthy.
Period.
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
Change that from closet bisexual to racist and advocate for violence, and you have a better comparison.
Or is being secretly bisexual equivalent to being racist in your mind? And is wishing somebody dead the same as the language that HanAssholeSolo used? And what of the posting all the Jewish CNN reporter's names?
I can't tell if this is supposed to be a slippery slope argument or a false equivalency.
Somewhere I missed CNN threatening to dox him, too.
MysteryQuesadilla
Member
This is a good point. I think the line for a lot of folks is blurred so that the concept of anonymity and free speech (on line) are one and the same even though there isn't anything in the constitution that states in cases like this that your right to remain anonymous online being infringed.
Aaronology
Member
So now that you realize no one's freedom of speech is being infringed on, we've segued to "Freedom of Thought."
Mind showing me where CNN is restricting anyone's ability to think freely, Moomoo?
Alex_Mexico
Member
What the hell happened here? I go to sleep and now what's this about CNN doxxing ppl? What went down?
hammysaurusrex
Member
It says a lot about how warped perspectives are when people are so comfortable in their safety that they can use someone calling for the genocide of other Americans as an example of how important it is to maintain their right to consequence-free speech.
Alternative view: The people being targeted for genocide by this person have a right to know who their condemner is.
Alternative view: The people being targeted for genocide by this person have a right to know who their condemner is.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
Great. And they sure had it coming. However, it's not the media's work to present a sensationalised article just because they got upset that Trump posted a gif with their logo getting punched.
You can't prevent racists from being racist, even if the president tweets them directly/indirectly and the media decides to spend their time Facebooking everyone responsible.
habithipster
Member
He's just asking questions!
I wonder if I don't care about this guy potentially getting exposed because I can't imagine myself getting caught saying the same kinds of hateful things about people who are different than me.
I wonder if I don't care because I know better than to make false equivalences to members of historically marginalized groups of people being targeted for harassment.
I dunno, just thinking out loud.
I wonder if I don't care because I know better than to make false equivalences to members of historically marginalized groups of people being targeted for harassment.
I dunno, just thinking out loud.
Juke Joint Jezebel
Member
The WWE trump/CNN gif was hilarious though! The other stuff though....yeah...not so much!
Crossing Eden
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even if the president tweets them directly/indirectly and the media decides to spend their time Facebooking everyone responsible.[/QUOTE]
I'm seeing a situation where a dude is prevented from being a racist online in this thread due to the threat of exposure from his victims. The article isn't even sensational. Stop worrying about the feelings of a piece of shit.
You can certainly stop them displaying their racism publicly. Punish them and the platforms that allow their voices to be heard.
Bam Bam Baklava
Member
As someone who actually doesn't feel any sympathy for CNN and thinks it's pathetic they can track down this man but still employed Corey Lewandowski, the defenses people are making this reddit racist are just objectively incorrect. Freedom of speech and freedom of thought just doesn't apply here, all you're defending is freedom of anonymity (which I'm not sure exists as a thing). Even that much is a stretch because these were posts on a public forum, not intercepted private e-mails between two people.
CNN found who HanAssholeSolo is. They contacted him. After being contacted (but not responding to CNN, yet) HanAssholeSolo went and posted a giant apology and said he had gay, muslim and jewish friends. Then he called up CNN and spoke with them. Then CNN wrote an article about how they found who he was, about his apology and about him talking to them after the whole thing but decided not to name him. Somewhere in there he nuked his racist/homophobic/antisemitic reddit account. And people came to the conclusion that CNN doxxed him.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
You're right. I'm giving way too much thought to this. I shouldn't project my shitty day towards this.
Nah, it'll give them more reasons to create alternate burner accounts to post racist shit. The_Donald is directly related to the huge turnaround of Trump supporters and Hilary haters, so that's that.
Anyways, you guys are cool. My bad for giving too much thought to this.
benicillin
Banned
Again the really funny thing is that CNN isn't going to bat to stop people from being racist, they don't care at all. Your Reddit karma doesn't worry them. They investigated this dude because he was made a public figure by virtue of creating something the President publicly posted through official white house channels and Twitter accounts that are literally confirmed to be STATEMENTS OF THE PRESIDENT.
Like, CNN doesn't care about your racist memes. They don't care about exposing racists. They don't even care about your shitty jewish hate images about CNN employees. They checked this guy out because the President made him a public figure, full stop.
Like, CNN doesn't care about your racist memes. They don't care about exposing racists. They don't even care about your shitty jewish hate images about CNN employees. They checked this guy out because the President made him a public figure, full stop.
EdibleKnife
Member
You can expose them though which I consider noble work especially when racists benefit from hiding and using their anonymity and position to harm other people and support damaging, bigoted efforts at large.
Exactly. If you want to post stuff anonymously then you should make sure you remain anonymous. The fact that this idiot posted biographical information about himself on a public forum and CNN could connect the dots to find out who he was shouldnt be a defense to protect his identity. Freedom of speech is a sacred tenant of American society but freedom of anonymity is not. I have no issue at all w/ this guys info being made public.
*Sigh* I don't get y'all. I don't think news organizations should be threatening to reveal people's identities for saying random things on the internet. Let individuals do that. Not organizations with worldwide clout. We can go after people using our judicial system when they do something wrong, rather than do it throughout public shaming. I've seen enough cases of people being blamed for things they didn't do (remember that Reddit Boston Marathon fiasco?) to the point where I think the news shouldn't be doing stuff like this, since they have way more clout than a message board.
I don't care that he has crappy views. I don't think a major news network should be doing this. They should report the news instead of finding the identity of someone who made a meme, and then threatening to reveal their identity if they didn't apologize.
I don't care that he has crappy views. I don't think a major news network should be doing this. They should report the news instead of finding the identity of someone who made a meme, and then threatening to reveal their identity if they didn't apologize.
benicillin
Banned
Until you understand that that's not what is happening here, you'll never get it.
That isnt what is happening.
j_k_redtail
Member
CNN did not use a threat of doxxing to force him to apologize. They deny it, and for the record, so does he. They called and asked for comment - as is their right. He freaked out and deleted everything. They chose not to publish his name - as is their right.
Say you get caught shoplifting, and you put the goods back on the shelf while begging the storeowner not to call the cops. If he cuts you some slack, he retains the right to call them in the future. You haven't been coerced in any meaningful way.
Psychoward
Banned
That's not what happened.
Also lol our judicial system doesn't do shit for the alt-right's Internet presence give me a break.
Boston marathon is also a false equivalence because we have proof the same guy who made the gif made those other terrible posts.
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
They did this? When?
I keep hearing this repeated with no receipts.
How would that have played out, exactly?
Renna Hazel
Member
This is why I trust the news more to provide accurate information, rather than let people on message boards uncover these people.
EdibleKnife
Member
CNN wasn't threatening anything and the Redditor made himself news by basically being a major factor in the President's social media message.
Crossing Eden
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[Citation needed]
when everything you think is happening isn't actually happening
bob_arctor
Tough_Smooth
The important thing is that Doxx Blackmail, like Benjamin Ghazi before him, get justice.
When CNN literally says in their article that they have the right to reveal his or her identity if he or she retracts statements they made, then can you blame me for coming to the conclusion that they're threatening him or her? That's what it sounds like to me. It sounds like blackmail.
Bam Bam Baklava
Member
But this is why people have warned that Trump doesn't understand the power of the presidency. He has the ability to make anyone a national figure by just quoting them and then that person becomes an involuntary participant which the press could look into.
Psychoward
Banned
Yes, we can. Because people have corrected you and others tons of times and yet y'all keep saying the same thing.
i can blame you for having poor comprehension
like how much did you even read? they clearly state "him" in the article several times. it sounds like you don't actually care.