Banana Aeon
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While there are some issues in 4, 5 literally has spear chuckers and tribal zombies. That shit is completely inexcusable. It is one of the few times that I have been uncomfortable playing a video based due to content reasons.
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What's the most racist thing you've encountered in a video game itself (not real ppl)
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Finale Fireworker
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They're used to other websites where there is little to no accountability for their posts. Honestly I think banning Juniors immediately prevents them from possibly engaging in the first challenging dialog in their online lives and bettering themselves in the process, but I obviously understand the disinterest in humoring anyone who says "black people are stronger and jump higher."
some great examples here
if i have to manually tan my Animal Crossing Switch character im gonna lose my shit
lmao
delete your accoubt
if we didn't permaban racist juniors this place would be reddit-tier nonsense
if i have to manually tan my Animal Crossing Switch character im gonna lose my shit
lmao
delete your accoubt
if we didn't permaban racist juniors this place would be reddit-tier nonsense
PaulBizkit
Member
Well, yeah, Capcom's depiction of spaniards is basically Mexicans. I mean, I'm from Argentina (another spanish speaking country) and I can't see people from spain getting mad for it. I mean, Leon is killing zombies, that's it. As the end credits show, those were normal people before that occultism dude came to the village.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
and what is racist in making "modernized" people became "tribal" again? didn't the virus in RE4 make european people regress too?
Dude is still a junior after joining in 2014. There's a good chance it's an alt.
DukeLongfellow
Member
Would Vergil from Xenosaga Ep. 1 count? (his attitude towards Realians)
These are your examples or are you putting words in my mouth that I never said? I picked a very specific example to make a point about stereotypes. Racists can fuck off
Chairmanchuck
Member
Not just black. Chinese characters are often shown as characters who speak in a strange accent and always add stuff at the end of sentences like "-de aru". And often female wear a qipao, the "bun" hairstyle etc.
You said black basketball players can jump higher and are physically more fit than white ones. Dirk Nowitzki would disapprove.
In the end its more about how black people are portrayed in Games. Imagine its a game and the first thing a black character is doing is playing basketball and thats the "defining" part of that character, because apparently if you are black you must love it. Stereotypes can hurt a race and in turn make it racist to stereotype certain characters.
Say this shit in your real account Mr. Member since 2014
Shifty
Member
Aight, that's fair.
TacosNSalsa
Member
Heavy Rain's Mad Jack comes to mind instantly
He's the unintelligent , extremely violent, big scary black guy and of course he's up against the heroic FBI agent ...Remember getting to this scene with my girlfriend at the time (she is black) sitting right next to me and remember feeling really awkward ...also remember shutting it off right then and there and saying lets go out to dinner.
He's the unintelligent , extremely violent, big scary black guy and of course he's up against the heroic FBI agent ...Remember getting to this scene with my girlfriend at the time (she is black) sitting right next to me and remember feeling really awkward ...also remember shutting it off right then and there and saying lets go out to dinner.
Albino_Yeti
Member
I think Ashley being annoying was just a gameplay flaw, not sexism. Escort missions have come a long way from RE4, although I don't think it was as bad as people say. The same game has Ada Wong kick ass so I don't really think you can say RE4 was sexist.
Finale Fireworker
Member
Here is why you are being ridiculous.
Basketball players who are stronger and jump higher - also known as being better athletes - are paid more because they're good players. This is true regardless of the sport and especially true regardless of their skin color. Nobody runs faster or hits harder because they are black. The fact they are black is an independent and irrelevant factor to their athletic ability and it has no bearing on their value as an athlete.
"Many great athletes are black" is true.
"Black people are great athletes" is not.
Ordinaryundone
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Many people consider Barret's American depiction racist. Made me feel bad for liking him.
Barret is literally just Mr. T with a gun for a hand. I'm not sure that makes him racist, most people don't really seem to have an issue with Mr. T, and he's got enough depth in FF7 that that isn't ALL that he is at the end of the day. It's not like he's the only character who curses or yells a lot (Cid has him beat in the regard) and he doesn't really display any other typically stereotypical traits other than being, well, a large (usually) angry black man. Hell, even we are going to speak that generally, then him being a single father of a white daughter is actually pretty progressive.
It's all of the extended universe stuff that made him into a stupid stereotype. They never gave him any focus so the few times he was on screen they just condense everything about him into one big jolt and it comes off as obnoxious.
Heavy Rain's Mad Jack comes to mind instantly
He's the unintelligent , extremely violent, big scary black guy and of course he's up against the heroic FBI agent ...Remember getting to this scene with my girlfriend at the time (she is black) sitting right next to me and remember feeling really awkward ...also remember shutting it off right then and there and saying lets go out to dinner.
This, on the other hand, was absolutely racist in the "Black people are scary, violent thugs" way. Maybe it would have been fine if Black Jack wasn't the ONLY black character in the whole game, but as it is...ugh.
Bloodporne
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They named the German character after Horst Wessel. For those who don't know, the "Horst Wessel Lied"/"Die Fahne Hoch" was the marching anthem of the Third Reich, or well, the Nazi party in general.
To clarify, that's Windjammers (Neo Geo), recently reissued I think?
This is my real account, i don't like to post a lot.
I got misunderstood here. English is not my native language. I was trying to talk about stereotypes and what is racist and what is not.
Sorry to anyone that got offended by that, unfortunately my poor english got me screwed. I am in no way a racist.
hans_castorp
Member
I take you've never been in Spain or the Pirinees. RE4 is also really bad and stereotyped, villagers portrayal was fucking disgusting.
family_guy
Member
I never saw it this way.There are a lot of theories about this game.One is that its goal is to point out the flaws of gaming industry, the importance of violence in video games, how the whole island is a gaming ground. The ending for exmaple, would be a way to divert the trope where the hero is rewarded with sex after saving the princess/heroin(who tuns out to not be nice in this case)."Jasoin" might be a reference to Jason and the Argonauts, a way to hint that the game is an initiatic trip...
I need to find the source one day, those theories don't make me like the game more but they are interesting.
Dumbing down the localization of Final Fantasy IV, giving us "Mystic Quest" as a simplified Final Fantasy, and omission of V in the 90's because American's couldn't "handle" the difficulty of JRPGS
Edit: Ok, this isn't the MOST racist thing ever....it just pisses me off someone looked down on the West over this...
Edit: Ok, this isn't the MOST racist thing ever....it just pisses me off someone looked down on the West over this...
Lumpy Onion
Member
DJ Boy for the Japanese Megadrive. First boss is an overweight black woman called Big Mama who lifts her dress and farts at you as her attack. Pretty damn tasteless.
hans_castorp
Member
Then set the game in Mexico or in a fictional country.
People in the north don't speak like that, dress like that or live like that. Heck, I doubt you could find a village in the Pirinees area that looks like that.
GurgleBot20
Member
"Japan" didn't. In fact most western localizations were harder than their Eastern counterparts in part to combat the rental market. Also this is kind of tone deaf.
I'm in a quandary as I completely agree with this however, imagine it was live action, would it be okay then?
I know it's besides the point but I find myself in quite a hypocritical place...
Temeculan3000
Member
This is true, however it is possible that a certain subset of black people, not black people as a whole, are more genetically pre-disposed to be better at certain things. For example; long distance running and people from the Nandi region of Kenya.
Now I think it is easy to fall into the trap of "Black people are better runners than white people", I mean just look at the Olympics. But this is bad reasoning, as it is only a small subset who happen to be black that are actually better runners. Genetics certainly play a role in athletic ability, and when a group of people are genetically pre-disposed to be better at something they probably all have the same skin color. This makes it hard for people to ignore skin color when thinking about these things.
I don't think that makes people racist, as it may be a natural assumption, but they are making a logical mistake. I think it becomes racism when they refuse to see reason, and firmly hold their stereotypes as absolute truths.
This won't probably answer all your questions, but it's an interview with the voice actor about games industry and more specifically Deus Ex and her character. http://gameranx.com/features/id/19666/article/an-interview-with-amanda-strawn/
Yo what?
That's not the issue and not why white people voicing black characters is problematic. It has to do with representation and the lack there of, of black voice actors. The majority of video game characters, especially in leading roles, are white and voiced by white actors. In the rare instances where you have a black character front and center of a high profile game like Uncharted, if you cast that character to a white person you are taking away one of the very small opportunities for a black voice actor to get their due as an actor.
The reverse example does not work (black people voicing white characters) because white people are represented enough and are not losing roles because of their skin color. They are the overwhelming majority and have all the opportunity in the world to land a job as a voice actor.
Stereotypical not necessarily racist. Having black characters be loud and jive talking like cole train etc is overly stereotypical and offensive
I totally haven't so I'm willing to admit I'm wrong if that's the case. Just on the surface it isn't as glaring as RE5 then I suppose.
llien
Member
Always juniors.
It would help if you would explain, why what he or she said was wrong/stupid/insulting or any combination of that, instead of simply bashing..
By wiki definition: "a stereotype is any thought widely adopted about specific types of individuals or certain ways of behaving intended to represent the entire group of those individuals or behaviors as a whole"
And, also important: "These thoughts or beliefs may or may not accurately reflect reality."
There are false stereotypes that are demeaning to groups of people, but not all stereotypes are like that.
For instance a stereotype is that kids are not as smart as grown ups. It is right nearly always, but is wrong (for instance) when applied to wunderkinds.
Genetic aspects of athletic performance is not demeaning to anyone or in any way controversial.
Or so I thought. I might be dumb, and what I've written might be shit, but please, be so kind to explain why.
sixteen-bit
Member
Ken Griffey Jr's lips on the SNES game
Zach's lips in the Natsume Mighty Morphin Power Rangers SNES game
Zach's lips in the Natsume Mighty Morphin Power Rangers SNES game
Human Trashcan
Banned
reverse racism isn't a thing and I like Bailey a lot but her Afrikaans was teeeeeeeeerrible
atomic moth
Member
They named the German character after Horst Wessel. For those who don't know, the "Horst Wessel Lied"/"Die Fahne Hoch" was the marching anthem of the Third Reich, or well, the Nazi party in general.
To clarify, that's Windjammers (Neo Geo), recently reissued I think?
Did they name him after Horst Wessel, or is Wessel just a semi-common last name in Germany? Is there anything other than the last name that alludes to Nazism?
Honest questions
benicillin
Banned
Heavy Rain's Mad Jack comes to mind instantly
He's the unintelligent , extremely violent, big scary black guy and of course he's up against the heroic FBI agent ...Remember getting to this scene with my girlfriend at the time (she is black) sitting right next to me and remember feeling really awkward ...also remember shutting it off right then and there and saying lets go out to dinner.
Yeah this is probably the most blatant one for me.
Heart of Black
Member
Quite frequently?
You understand that white people dressing up as Black folks is "blackface" - this just makes it digital.
Also, how many black voice actors do you know of, and how many of them are "frequently" playing white folks? In an industry where black and brown characters are next to nil, there is no such thing as "frequently". Like Kratos as a white dude doesn't even make sense unless you peg ancient greeks as white europeans instead of multiracial Mediterraneans. TC Carson could have been a mighty black warrior, but is instead the son of "White Zeus" and a whiter mom.
Also holy shit at some of the stuff in this tread.
Scientist Supreme!
Banned
Is that really what you took from those complaints? Oh boy.
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The question is: Is it racist against persons of color or racist against white people? I would guess neither, it's just a video game and ND did what they thought fitted the game best.
Dusk Golem
A 21st Century Rockefeller
For the record, a person of one race voicing a character of another race is not racist in itself.
There is a whole other argument to be made for business side and for more black actors to get roles, but that's a topic entirely separate of what this topic is about (IE, we then start talking about real people in real business representation as opposed to the content in games), but someone playing a role that isn't like them in real life is what actors do and by itself doesn't really mean anything. The situations around it can give it meaning, but that's getting into specific situations and not someone voicing someone in itself.
There is a whole other argument to be made for business side and for more black actors to get roles, but that's a topic entirely separate of what this topic is about (IE, we then start talking about real people in real business representation as opposed to the content in games), but someone playing a role that isn't like them in real life is what actors do and by itself doesn't really mean anything. The situations around it can give it meaning, but that's getting into specific situations and not someone voicing someone in itself.
Funyarinpa
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Wait
what
HOLY FUCKING SHIT. THAT'S A TURKISH CHARACTER LMAO
"Devrim" is a Turkish name (meaning "revolution"). Tea has as big a place in Turkish culture as much as it does in British culture- possibly more. That's a Turkish character there. I'm not mad or anything (though it does sound like they stereotyped him), in fact I'm happy they even attempted to include a Turkish character. It's pretty hilarious that you thought it was a British stereotype.
Do you have any footage of this character? Turkish characters are so rare in Western media that it's always fun to see how we're portrayed.
Well his accent is all in at least
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfT71wnnq-s
(On the plus side, he does a very good job being an unremarkable gay character. So maybe the tea fixation was a ruse!)
Yeah this is a fair point. Representation is laughably bad for black actors in the VA scene, so I can see how that could be rubbing salt in the wound.That said, I don't think a black person is owed a black role, and it should entirely come down to how good of a fit that particular VA is. Like, I don't think they went "oh Laura Bailey, let's put her in" during voice auditions.
The Black Baron from Platinum Games Madworld. That's a white guy. I do believe they retconned him to be an actual black man in Anarchy Reigns though.
Holy shit what, he's supposed to be white?
What about in Anarchy Reigns? Was that just them backpedaling some official statement or something?
Edit: just read the part where you mentioned them retconning it in Anarchy Reigns, I should read entire posts before I post. Whoops.
Bloodporne
Member
I was born and raised in Germany and have never met a real-life person with the last name Wessel. Not saying it's not common in some regions, but add to that the fact that many Japanese games in the 90s had a thing for German language etc., it's not far fetched.
I'm not implying at all that SNK, or Data East for that matter, are some sort of malicious Nazis haha. I honestly thought it was rather funny in a totally absurd way, as in, I think the devs snuck that in there as a rather fucked-up joke.
Axis powers and all that.
What if that person also did the motion capture for said character? No clue if that's the case in Uncharted, but the thought crossed my mind.