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Horizon Zero Dawn on the PS4 pro will render in 2160p checkerboard
- Thread starter Loudninja
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Cool. Don't get it then.
It is a recently developed technique, and my understanding is that the PS4 Pro GPU has specific hardware optimizations that make it computationally cheaper than it would otherwise be.
FarFromAnyGame
Banned
it costs about the same rendering time as traditional upscaling from 1920x2160 to 4K. Not from 1080p to 4K.
Wishmaster92
Member
Wow so this is like tomb raider 4K mode? Really impressive! This is going to look really crisp
This is pretty cool.
I have high hopes for GoW on the Pro, and every other 1st-party game going forward too.
Jakartalado
Member
Well...
It is quite new tech
Rainbow six Siege was the first to use. But not really low on resources to use. But way lower than brute force the 4K on a low clocked 480rx
Also, there's hardware thing on PS4 Pro that makes it cheaper to use. Probably a Polaris code to make the resources more optimized
WeAreStarStuff
Member
Can't wait to play this on my 4K TV; game is gorgeous.
GeordieMark
Member
So by that standard, 900p is basically 1080p right?
Anyway, back on topic. Game looks stunning. As a lowly pleb who doesn't own a Pro, I'm interested to see how this runs on the regular PS4. Any impressions about?
Anyway, back on topic. Game looks stunning. As a lowly pleb who doesn't own a Pro, I'm interested to see how this runs on the regular PS4. Any impressions about?
Well because it's not actually up-scaling maybe!
I have no idea what you could have been expecting in the first place. It's woefully under-powered for native 4k games with the current visual fidelity. It's still a noticeable IQ improvement.
The CPU and memory bandwith are still pretty weak in the Pro. 60 fps could always have been a design choice, but not without compromises.
Night.Ninja
Banned
The game looks good even with the 4kpr, I wonder if the could have got 60fps if it was built ground up for the pro
NXGamer
Member
Yes, as this is a perfect extension of their technology from Shadowfall and we can attest how good that was in delivering a 1920x1080 when it was 960x1080.
Here with 4xtimes the pixel density and improves algorithms, this is going to be very,very close to a true native 3840x2260. Itching to get some hands on with this.
ethomaz
Banned
To be accurate 960x1080p...
lightchris
Member
In terms of computational power, maybe. In terms of bandwidth it needs a lot more.
BigEmil
Junior Member
Yes new tech finalised and also PS4 Pro customised hardware been optimised to take advantage of these features much better to put it simply
PodcastFips
Member
Aww shit. I didn't plan to spend 1500 on a KS8000 just yet, damn.
Testicular Sound Express
Member
they're certainly great with visuals, but sufficient budgets and time are also huge factors here.
Check your local deals all the time
My local Media Markt got the 55" for 1300 currently, and they will only continue to drop until March/April when the new models will be part of lineup.
Dee Dah Dave
Member
Hence the quotations. But regardless it's still using non-native information to fill in the blanks. Just some methods are more effective than others.
These techniques are great, I'm just not keen on the idea of putting them on the same pedestal as their true counterparts. Whether it's devs or journalists who do it.
Lactose_Intolerant
Member
Liabe Brave
Member
Define "shades", please.
lowhighkang_LHK
Member
You can tell the difference. 2160p checkerboarded looks a little bit softer than 2160p native.
Nonetheless, it's still significantly higher than full HD and the IQ looks fantastic on my 4k TV.
Colonel Nasty
Member
LOL "basically 4K"
Collateral22
Member
I brought my Pro and my PC home over the christmas, first time ever having an experience in 4k. I played R&C and ROTTR, both looked great. I think the kinda blurry effect is what you mean by soft? I only noticed it when I was walking past the TV to go get a drink, its a 65" TV so I sit quite far from it, where its really not noticable IMO. I'd imagine a 4k monitor would be quite different though since youd be really close to it.
Wishmaster92
Member
There's a visible difference.
4k Upscale
4k Uprender
Edit: added a more recent picture. Holy shit did they improve the 4k image quality since the pro unveil!
PeterLegend
Member
Open world games running at 60 fps are nearly nonexistent.
MGS5 runs at 60 fps but the graphics and locales were not that impressive.
I'll take 30fps with Horizons graphics any day of the week.
MGS5 runs at 60 fps but the graphics and locales were not that impressive.
I'll take 30fps with Horizons graphics any day of the week.
"basically 4K" is not from Sony or Guerrilla btw
Fair enough I see what you mean. Yh "basically 4K" is cutting it a bit to close but I guess if you take the statement as what the resulting image looks like then it's seems somewhat valid as a simple way of describing it from that journalist's perspective i guess but yh likely could have described it better.
You show 'em.
LukasTaves
Member
Wasn't that known right when they announced it?
Edit: Sorry, I was playing and didn't noticed the phrase didn't make any sense.
Edit: Sorry, I was playing and didn't noticed the phrase didn't make any sense.
vpance
Member
To her, yes!
FWIW John and Richard from DF couldn't tell the difference during that Pro reveal event where they demoed Horizon running on ZD9's, with their faces fairly close to the screen. At standard viewing distances most people would be hard pressed to notice it's not native.
Outrun
Member
Yep, with all the issues of 1080Pr etc... I don't think we should be calling anything less that 4K, 4K.
Regardless, it is a gorgeous game.
You can already do that with an even better platform called PC.
vpance
Member
Depends on the implementation, game and viewing distance. Like I said, only when you don't notice it and not everyone is going to.
Dee Dah Dave
Member
The Scorpio will be doing this stuff just the same, most of the time anyway. Though I guess at a higher level.
There were some tries, but programmability limits and simply the amount of research on subject was not enough.
Now after research of temporal anti aliasing there is quite good tools for sample reuse for spatial resolution as well.
It's good to remember that there is no single method of checkerboard rendering, it's more like basic idea and developers have to fit it in their pipeline.
We will be getting nice presentations at GDC on how custom solutions are forming.
Yeah. If you want to see the difference there are PS4Pro vs PC 4K comparisons out there. As expected it's not as good as native but it's still very nice and a seemingly good value for $400.
BRocknRolla
Member
So I see...
1) People still don't understand what checkerboard rendering is, and;
2) That doesn't stop people from posting a bunch of uninformed nonsense.
You're going to be seeing plenty of checkerboarding or variable resolution content on Scorpio if the recent leaks were anything to go by. Should it be a higher quality given the better hardware? Yes, but given that people still don't understand these techniques, we're going to have a very hard time having rational conversations about the differences.
1) People still don't understand what checkerboard rendering is, and;
2) That doesn't stop people from posting a bunch of uninformed nonsense.
You're going to be seeing plenty of checkerboarding or variable resolution content on Scorpio if the recent leaks were anything to go by. Should it be a higher quality given the better hardware? Yes, but given that people still don't understand these techniques, we're going to have a very hard time having rational conversations about the differences.
Yautja_Warrior
Member
The main thing is, it's getting a nice boost over 1080p and will look very close to native 4k, which means it should look even more incredible, suits me just fine.
So recent that people were crying about it when quantum break used it and letting people know how much they hated it.
Liabe Brave
Member
This is completely wrong. For certain frames or portions of frames, CBR is literally indistinguishable from native rendering. In a practical sense, it will often be perceptually indistinguishable.
All this is wrong. There is no "base resolution" for CBR, it's not a form of upscaling. CBR rasterizes just as many pixels as native rendering. Just the method it uses for half of them is slightly less accurate.
For many reasonable definitions of "basically", CBR absolutely is basically 4K. For example, I can 100% guarantee that we can devise fair, honest tests where no one could determine any difference between native and CBR. In real-world applications such perfect results will be scattered, of course. But I think this points out how misguided expectations of giant quality gaps are.
So I assume you refuse to call games "1080p" whenever their shadow buffers, particle effects, or volumetric lighting run at non-native resolution. Without researching, can you name which of last fall's titles aren't "true" 1080p in this sense?
There's a problem with trying to be ideologically pure about things you don't even notice.
BRocknRolla
Member
We went from "4k is a useless upgrade! No one wants that." to "Only native 4k matters. I only want that."
It's important to back up your purchasing decisions and console allegiances in a way that not only makes you look smart, but in a way that makes the decisions of others look stupid.
So dynamic 4K is now basically 4K. OK sony.
Do people actually look at the sources for this stuff, or are we assuming Engadget just reads ad copy?
hardcastlemccormick
Banned
So, the footage shown for this game so far is base PS4 footage? I've been assuming, since it looks so good, that it's 1080p PS4 Pro footage, which offers enhanced graphical detail.
If that's not the case then holy shit this is a great looking game on the OG PS4!
If that's not the case then holy shit this is a great looking game on the OG PS4!
QB didn't use checkerboard rendering
Most people disliked the TAA implementation due to ghosting artifacts, not how their super resolution method worked.
For the last time that quote is not from Sony.So dynamic 4K is now basically 4K. OK sony.