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SteveO409 · Jul 28, 2017

This is the most bizarre thing I ever seen someone get ban for in a multiplayer game. You may ask, "What's stream sniping?" When you play a multiplayer game against a streamer and you watch his stream on another monitor to get his location then kill him
or basically getting any information about the enemy by watching their streams. The issue I have is how do you prove someone is doing it. They're setting a deadly precedent because there is simply no proof . The ban is for 7 days but damn that's still 7 days with no proof. Bluehole is really doing a bad job with their PR after all of this success to the game

The thread:
https://www.reddit.com/r/PUBATTLEGR...partner_banned_for_7_days_for_stream_sniping/

TL;DR Friend unknowingly kills shroud and get a 7-day ban for the "stream snipe."

As the title says my friend (IGN Lotoe) is banned now for allegedly stream sniping shroud. Before, a duo was tossing grenades into the room they were in and ended up killing summit. The dude was saying he loved their stream and whatnot. 2 minutes later my friend encounters shroud and kills him. So they assume Lotoe was stream sniping and his viewers jump straight to reporting him. Really unfair to my friend as he was banned for killing a popular streamer. We didn't even know he was in the game until we noticed the names in the killfeed and thought it was pretty cool, but this is just unacceptable.

Clip(Warning: Vulgar language) https://clips.twitch.tv/RoundRoughZebraOneHand
Death: https://gyazo.com/72509d2d67d892e112ebfb6fc760c40e
Edit 1: Additional Proof
Ban Screenshot: https://gyazo.com/d3914adda6a463526c58b2edf46b87ab
Lotoe PMing Discord Mod: https://gyazo.com/f0bd8468318276c72c1a6ae61a5de4ed
Shroud's death: https://gyazo.com/72509d2d67d892e112ebfb6fc760c40e

Sony · Jul 28, 2017

Stream sniping..? I'm old

Soulflarz · Jul 28, 2017

Sony said:
Stream sniping..? I'm old

I'm young and it's new to me too

sanstesy · Jul 28, 2017

more like banhole

these devs are triggerhappy af when it comes to banning people

almost worse than GAF tbh

Dyna · Jul 28, 2017

Sony said:
Stream sniping..? I'm old

Reading the OP might help.

giancarlo123x · Jul 28, 2017

How is this bananable? Ridiculous

Jrs3000 · Jul 28, 2017

Id do this if I did watch streams... But being banned without evidence but just a assumption isn't right.

Valtýr · Jul 28, 2017

Sony said:
Stream sniping..? I'm old

Soulflarz said:
I'm young and it's new to me too

it's literally defined at the very start of the OP...

SteveO409 · Jul 28, 2017

Sony said:
Stream sniping..? I'm old

You remember when you were 12 years old and played with siblings/friends on split screen multiplayer. The urge to screenlook was real. It's like the modern day version of that

Lightning Lord · Jul 28, 2017

Man, I need to hurry up and get popular on the Internet so I can be protected from stream sniping, too.

This sounds like a load of BS.

L.O.R.D · Jul 28, 2017

i still don't know what is Stream sniping,even after reading the OP,i still don't understand it.

any video for it?

LAM09 · Jul 28, 2017

Seems a little extreme.

BigTnaples · Jul 28, 2017

Valtýr;244739679 said:
it's literally defined at the very start of the OP...

I don't think they missed that...

sensi97 · Jul 28, 2017

You'll get banned too in H1Z1 for stream sniping. Nothing new here.

Dingotech · Jul 28, 2017

I would have been banned after every game of Goldeneye 64 back in the day. XD

Poodlestrike · Jul 28, 2017

It's like screenpeeking except instead of doing it to buddies in the same room as you as part of a kind of unavoidable process, you actively seek out a stranger's stream to gain a competitive advantage and also make their life kinda worse.

I'm okay with this tbh.

ElfArmy177 · Jul 28, 2017

It's like screen peeking... Man I wish I could have banned my little brother for doing that in halo. The more I think about it the more I agree with it being a bannable thing

Nabs · Jul 28, 2017

The PUBG mod team/community team has had a trash couple of weeks in the PR department.

Poodlestrike said:
It's like screenpeeking except instead of doing it to buddies in the same room as you as part of a kind of inavoidable process, you actively seek out a stranger's stream to gain a competitive advantage and also make their life kinda worse.

I'm okay with this tbh.

But there's no proof he did that.

Spirited · Jul 28, 2017

This is the first "drama" about pubg in the last few days that I can join in and think is horrible, you can't just go around and ban people without evidence and absolutely not for such a dumb fucking thing as "stream sniping" for 7 days.

Vital Tundra · Jul 28, 2017

That's fucking ridiculous. Even if someone was stream sniping it's just something you have to deal with, because there is no way at all to know if someone is really doing it, unless they themeselves are streaming the stream sniping or outright saying it. Get your shit together Bluehole. Can't just ban people like.

ElfArmy177 said:
It's like screen peeking... Man I wish I could have banned my little brother for doing that in halo. The more I think about it the more I agree with it being a bannable thing

Except they are banning with no proof.

Maxey · Jul 28, 2017

I mean, how do you even prevent that from happening anyway? Lol

SteveO409 · Jul 28, 2017

Poodlestrike said:
It's like screenpeeking except instead of doing it to buddies in the same room as you as part of a kind of unavoidable process, you actively seek out a stranger's stream to gain a competitive advantage and also make their life kinda worse.

I'm okay with this tbh.

As I said, how do you have proof that he was stream sniping. Did bluehole ask Twitch for the IP of the address and had a hidden camera in that stream sniper's room. It's such a silly ban

fastford58 · Jul 28, 2017

L.O.R.D said:
i still don't know what is Stream sniping,even after reading the OP,i still don't understand it.

any video for it?

Basically the equivalent of looking at your friends screen during a split screen session to see where he is, except you are watching a live stream of someone else's game to do the same thing.

TerryLee81 · Jul 28, 2017

Isn't this a problem of the streamer?

If he streams without delay, well yeah there's a chance someone watches him and takes advantage of that.

Norwegian_Imposter · Jul 28, 2017

Maybe the game tracks pathways and he basically gunned it no hesitation at some point like over a distance that looked suspicious. Like in game telemetry data.

wetalo · Jul 28, 2017

... Don't livestream a live multi-player game then if this is a concern?

Also, seriously, there's no way someone can tell they were in the same game as him. There's thousands of PUBG games at any time.

Heigic · Jul 28, 2017

https://www.playbattlegrounds.com/rulesOfConduct.pu

Well it does say stream sniping will get you banned

firehawk12 · Jul 28, 2017

If you are publicly broadcasting your gameplay, why can't people use that against you?

MatthewB92 · Jul 28, 2017

Poodlestrike said:
It's like screenpeeking except instead of doing it to buddies in the same room as you as part of a kind of unavoidable process, you actively seek out a stranger's stream to gain a competitive advantage and also make their life kinda worse.

I'm okay with this tbh.

If it effects there life they shouldn't be streaming. Plus you can't prove it.

NumberThree · Jul 28, 2017

Took me a while to figure out IGN meant in-game name and not.. IGN.

sensi97 said:
You'll get banned too in H1Z1 for stream sniping. Nothing new here.

Like just killing a streamer is enough to get you banned for stream sniping? There's no proof this guy was watching the stream (and he's saying he wasn't).

Ryuuga · Jul 28, 2017

I'd love to see how they determine this ban.

Spukc · Jul 28, 2017

That scrub never played goldeneye i guess.
What a shit show.

Also watching other people play games 🤣🤣

FF Seraphim · Jul 28, 2017

The hell... like how can you just ban someone without actual proof? There are what 5 million people who own the game on PC right? How would you know who you are killing and if they are streaming? This would make me want to grief said streamers even more, ban be damned.

SmokedMeat · Jul 28, 2017

If I had a dollar for every "innocent friend" that got banned for something they shouldn't have according to an internet stranger, I'd be rich.

Raysoul · Jul 28, 2017

So I can stream games and call foul everytime I am killed because the enemy might have been watching my stream?

Sony · Jul 28, 2017

Dyna said:
Reading the OP might help.

Valtýr;244739679 said:
it's literally defined at the very start of the OP...

SteveO409 said:
You remember when you were 12 years old and played with siblings/friends on split screen multiplayer. The urge to screenlook was real. It's like the modern day version of that

Why would you assume I didn't read the OP? My surprise was aimed to its existence, not it's definition.

fertygo · Jul 28, 2017

Hearthstone need to do this

maybe no tho..

Azzurri · Jul 28, 2017

Lol, This is huge with Hearthstone. I think it might be a little much, but it would piss me off to lose because someone can just see what I'm doing and where I am.

Nabs · Jul 28, 2017

Maxey said:
I mean, how do you even prevent that from happening anyway? Lol

You can delay your broadcast by a few minutes. You can also hide your screen as you ready up and press play, give them less of a chance to hop on your server.

Portugeezer · Jul 28, 2017

Ryuuga said:
I'd love to see how they determine this ban.

That is the only thing which bothers me.

Boke1879 · Jul 28, 2017

The evolution of screen watching

Steez · Jul 28, 2017

Heigic said:
https://www.playbattlegrounds.com/rulesOfConduct.pu

Well it does say stream sniping will get you banned

Sure. Prove it tho.

PR has been really bad for them lately and with the paid crates coming up, it's going the get even worse.

L.O.R.D · Jul 28, 2017

fastford58 said:
Basically the equivalent of looking at your friends screen during a split screen session to see where he is, except you are watching a live stream of someone else's game to do the same thing.

wow,this is really very old method of cheating.
it's also stupid,why even doing it live stream?

Portugeezer · Jul 28, 2017

fertygo said:
Hearthstone need to do this

maybe no tho..

Anyone who beats Kripp would be banned going by him.

masterkajo · Jul 28, 2017

OK that is just... Well... Maybe I am getting old. But if he doesn't want people to see where he is, maybe don't stream it all over the internet? This is ridiculous.

johancruijff · Jul 28, 2017

good ol times when we slapped eachother if caught peeking during a lanparty

Stealth50 · Jul 28, 2017

I don't see how it could be a bannable offense even he did stream snipe. It's not as if anyone is forcing anyone to broadcast their gaming sessions for everyone to see.

Maybe the streamer should add a delay to their stream.

Najaf · Jul 28, 2017

Vital Tundra said:
That's fucking ridiculous. Even if someone was stream sniping it's just something you have to deal with, because there is no way at all to know if someone is really doing it, unless they themeselves are streaming the stream sniping or outright saying it. Get your shit together Bluehole. Can't just ban people like.

Except they are banning with no proof.

In Arma 3 battle Royale, they (player unknown and crew) reviewed people's route's when accused of stream sniping. It actually is very obvious when looking at someone's route if this was the case. It's not clear for early kills after the jump.

Fried Food · Jul 28, 2017

dude stream sniping is very obvious, see it all the time when watching the big streamers. Glad that scum got banned. lol I was watching the stream when this happened and it was so obvious

sensi97 · Jul 28, 2017

NumberThree said:
Like just killing a streamer is enough to get you banned for stream sniping? There's no proof this guy was watching the stream (and he's saying he wasn't).

Yes there's the problem of the proof but I'm not talking about that here.
I'm simply pointing out that "stream sniping" being a bannable offense isn't something new.

Look at some of the first replies:

more like banhole

these devs are triggerhappy af when it comes to banning people

almost worse than GAF tbh

How is this bananable? Ridiculous

People are surprised. That's why I'm saying to them "this isn't something new".

To add more, look what Daybreak devs (H1Z1, KOTK) say about stream sniping in one of their update:

We have a lot of streamers who enjoy broadcasting their matches on Twitch and other sites. This has unfortunately led to stream sniping becoming a pretty popular activity. For full clarity, stream sniping is the term we generally use, but is a two way street. Stream sniping includes using a broadcaster's stream to know their location, as well as trying to aid a broadcaster by teaming with them or providing them with loot. I see some streamers really bothered by stream sniping, while others tend to make an event out of it as opposed to trying to fight against it. Our official stance is that stream sniping is not allowed because it changes the integrity of the match. We don't want small groups playing differently than everyone else and are not competing for the win. Under the guideline that each match is competitive, even, and fair for all, stream sniping goes against that. We have an updated match making system that will make it much more difficult to get into the same game as the person you are viewing, but most stream sniping will be detected through reporting and monitoring. Similar to the other rules, if you are caught, action could be taken against your account.

https://www.h1z1.com/king-of-the-kill/news/h1z1-producers-letter-august5

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