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stryke · May 23, 2013

Edit: title is from Edge, not me.

PlayStation 4 currently beats Xbox One in terms of raw power and has a more mature developer environment, Avalanche Studios has told us.

The Just Cause creator is working with each next gen console right now, and says that in terms of pure specifications and working environment, PS4 is the preferable console. But with Xbox One’s cloud capabilities and further developer support coming, Sony can’t claim an early victory just yet.

We asked Avalanche’s chief technical officer Linus Blomberg how the two consoles compare. “It’s difficult to say, as it’s still early days when it comes to drivers,” he told us. “With each new driver release, performance increases dramatically in some areas. The PlayStation 4 environment is definitely more mature currently, so Microsoft has some catching up to do. But I’m not too concerned about that as they traditionally have been very good in that area. The specs on paper would favour the PS4 over the Xbox One in terms of raw power, but there are many other factors involved so we’ll just have to wait and see a bit longer before making that judgment.”

In stark contrast to their Wii U comment, Avalanche is trying to be a bit more diplomatic here.

http://www.edge-online.com/news/ps4...crosoft-will-catch-up-says-avalanche-studios/

gofreak · May 23, 2013

He's saying their dev environment will catch up, not so much the performance...

Anyway, I'm amazed that Sony's dev environment is currently better than Microsoft's. That rumour about MS being 6 months behind on the software side might be true?

Canis lupus · May 23, 2013

What other factors?

BlazingDarkness · May 23, 2013

Oh right, the 'power of the cloud' will bring parity.

lol

Chuck Norris · May 23, 2013

Thread title does not match thread content

ekim · May 23, 2013

Canis lupus said:
What other factors?

I guess drivers and potential hardware access + how the compiler helps optimizing things.

A Sentient Keyboard · May 23, 2013

The quote doesn't read like Microsoft will catch up, just that they may be able to. Let's see what the full bit says.

EDIT: Nope, nothing that clarifies the title.

sTeLioSco · May 23, 2013

cloud....

just ignore gaikai also

But another confirmation that ps4 is indeed more powerful . and easier to program.

Carl · May 23, 2013

Dat infinite power of the cloud.

stryke · May 23, 2013

Chuck Norris said:
Thread title does not match thread content

I know, I basically copied Edge's title.

Margalis · May 23, 2013

Better thread title:

"Avalanche: XBone weaker than PS4 and has worse development environment."

Psycho_Mantis · May 23, 2013

"Microsoft has some catching up to do" = "Microsoft will catch up" ??????

Deku Tree · May 23, 2013

Yup we believe this news.

derFeef · May 23, 2013

gofreak said:
He's saying their dev environment will catch up, not so much the performance...

Anyway, I'm amazed that Sony's dev environment is currently better than Microsoft's. That rumour about MS being 6 months behind on the software side might be true?

Seems to be the case. Worrisome.

Striek · May 23, 2013

Quote and title don't really match up.

v1oz · May 23, 2013

Cloud processing will make up for the difference. Microsoft has invested in thousands of servers world wide to take the load off your console chips.

Eusis · May 23, 2013

Unlike Cell vs traditional PowerPC I can't see how they can make a huge difference. Cloud computing would be specialized at best and probably can't do shit for GPU, and it's more or less weaker versions of otherwise identical hardware. Probably the best way to even it out is make games that hover between 30 and 60 for both X1 and PS4 and just lock to 30 on both.

ekim · May 23, 2013

The big positive was obviously that its a fantastic piece of hardware offering a huge range of possibilities for developers to connect with players in ways that have been close to impossible to date.

oO we will see. But a Just Cause 3 with a persistent world populated by a lot of players sounds nice.

amstradcpc · May 23, 2013

Well they can both catch up until the limit of programming to the metal and then however one would still be 1,84 Tflops and the other 1,2.

The song of the cloud computing is going to be very recurrent,you´ll see...

Elios83 · May 23, 2013

Wait...so MS is behind even with their dev tools?
That's a major surprise to me...maybe Kotaku was right after all?

Respawn · May 23, 2013

Chuck Norris said:
Thread title does not match thread content

I was thinking the same thing.

SatansReverence · May 23, 2013

Because new drivers are impossible on the PS4...

X1 will not catch the PS4 at any point in time unfortunately.

BlazingDarkness · May 23, 2013

I don't understand how Microsoft has the less-developed working environment and tools, and has seemingly not reached out to indies - when Sony has fully established those factors. What have Microsoft been doing? Because they've certainly not been focusing on the 360! And yet Sony are able to continuously pump out PS3 and Vita titles in the process. Get your shit together Microsoft.

sTeLioSco · May 23, 2013

v1oz said:
Cloud processing will make up for the difference. Microsoft has invested in thousands of servers world wide to take the load off your console chips.

and if you disconnect you get worse gfx or less characters on screen?

bs

Replicant · May 23, 2013

Dat secret sauce drenched via cloud, I guess.

dead monkey uk · May 23, 2013

I expect cross platform games to look very similar. What will be interesting is the difference from first party games. This is the area that makes me look forward to the PS4 more. When you look at Uncharted, Last of Us and Heavy Rain for PS3 it seems Sony are in a better position at this moment.

ItAintEasyBeinCheesy · May 23, 2013

Canis lupus said:
What other factors?

The power of a childs imagination.

A rock?. No, a meteor hurling through space on collision course with the ISS. Only Super Davey the dry dog turd can save them!.

derFeef · May 23, 2013

v1oz said:
Cloud processing will make up for the difference. Microsoft has invested in thousands of servers world wide to take the load off your console chips.

Pull the chord and the framerate halves!

Brad Grenz · May 23, 2013

Avalanche guy doesn't mention the cloud. Edge does.

Averon · May 23, 2013

Development tools were suppose to be a MS advantage. Guess not. Sony really seems to be outmaneuvering MS on a lot of fronts.

Slayer-33 · May 23, 2013

v1oz said:
Cloud processing will make up for the difference. Microsoft has invested in thousands of servers world wide to take the load off your console chips.

300k

That's A LOT of servers.

Development tools were suppose to be a MS advantage. Guess not. Sony really seems to be outmaneuvering MS on a lot of fronts.

Well at the end of the day ms is a software company, can't discard them yet tbh.

onQ123 · May 23, 2013

How the hell did you get:

'PS4 is more powerful than Xbox One on paper – but Microsoft will catch up'

from:

“With each new driver release, performance increases dramatically in some areas. The PlayStation 4 environment is definitely more mature currently, so Microsoft has some catching up to do. But I’m not too concerned about that as they traditionally have been very good in that area. The specs on paper would favour the PS4 over the Xbox One in terms of raw power, but there are many other factors involved so we’ll just have to wait and see a bit longer before making that judgment.”

??

SMH Edge fishing for hits.

artist · May 23, 2013

Replicant said:
Dat secret sauce drenched via cloud, I guess.

Haha, that's one perfect smiley.

shinra-bansho · May 23, 2013

Is cloud processing the new blast processing?

DBT85 · May 23, 2013

Even if Cloud computing does become a part of it, there is nothing to stop Sony doing exactly the same if devs want to do it.

If Naughty Dog said "We want to put enemy ai in the cloud" they could do it.

gofreak · May 23, 2013

Elios83 said:
Wait...so MS is behind even with their dev tools?
That's a major surprise to me...maybe Kotaku was right after all?

As another corroboration, a dev on Twitter after the reveal kind of went off on one about the dev situation with MS at the moment. He said Sony was doing a better job integrating PS4 tools into Microsoft's own IDE (Visual Studio) than MS was to date.

Linkified · May 23, 2013

Margalis said:
Better thread title:

"Avalanche: XBone weaker than PS4 and has worse development environment."

No a better one would be

"Avalanche: PS4 has a mature development environment. MS will catch up."

Chuck Norris · May 23, 2013

v1oz said:
Cloud processing will make up for the difference. Microsoft has invested in thousands of servers world wide to take the load off your console chips.

Why even put any hardware in? The cloud can do it all!

antic604 · May 23, 2013

BlazingDarkness said:
I don't understand how Microsoft has the less-developed working environment and tools, and has seemingly not reached out to indies - when Sony has fully established those factors. What have Microsoft been doing? Because they've certainly not been focusing on the 360! And yet Sony are able to continuously pump out PS3 and Vita titles in the process. Get your shit together Microsoft.

Indeed. Maybe MS was believing literally in Sony's "10 years cycle" and expected PS4 to appear only in 2016/17?

derFeef · May 23, 2013

onQ123 said:
How the hell did you get:

'PS4 is more powerful than Xbox One on paper but Microsoft will catch up'

from:

With each new driver release, performance increases dramatically in some areas. The PlayStation 4 environment is definitely more mature currently, so Microsoft has some catching up to do. But Im not too concerned about that as they traditionally have been very good in that area. The specs on paper would favour the PS4 over the Xbox One in terms of raw power, but there are many other factors involved so well just have to wait and see a bit longer before making that judgment.

??

It's the title of the Edge article, calm a bit down, it will get corrected.

Sojgat · May 23, 2013

Brad Grenz said:
Avalanche guy doesn't mention the cloud. Edge does.

Yup, was about to post this.

He says he's 'not concerned', not that the cloud is the (magical) answer.

CosmicGroinPull · May 23, 2013

I guess the good thing about nextgen is we won't have to see threads arguing about which console is more powerful.

Tiops · May 23, 2013

Dat power of da clowds.

Chuck Norris · May 23, 2013

Brad Grenz said:
Avalanche guy doesn't mention the cloud. Edge does.

That's some blatant spin doctoring

artist · May 23, 2013

I'm surprised that Avalanche is even acknowledging the power gap so openly.

Linkified said:
No a better one would be

"Avalanche: PS4 has a mature development environment. MS will catch up."

You obviously havent been to the percentage thread yet.

Aostia · May 23, 2013

stryke said:
In stark contrast to their Wii U comment, Avalanche is trying to be a bit more diplomatic here.

That's becaus MS called them, unlike Nintendo.

Impeccable · May 23, 2013

You will need to be always online to access the full potential of the X1. It's written on the wall.

Metalmurphy · May 23, 2013

stryke said:
PlayStation 4 currently beats Xbox One in terms of raw power and has a more mature developer environment, Avalanche Studios has told us.

This is the real news here. It was the exact opposite last time around.

Also the title is misleading. He's saying MS will catch up as far as the development environment.

SatansReverence · May 23, 2013

dead monkey uk said:
I expect cross platform games to look very similar. What will be interesting is the difference from first party games. This is the area that makes me look forward to the PS4 more. When you look at Uncharted, Last of Us and Heavy Rain for PS3 it seems Sony are in a better position at this moment.

I doubt cross platform games will look the same.

Both consoles have very similar architecture.

One has a significant performance advantage. It will likely result in higher resolutions with smoother framerates, better IQ, better textures and better shadows. I doubt we will see a game being 30fps on X1 while being 60fps on PS4.

amstradcpc · May 23, 2013

sTeLioSco said:
and if you disconnect you get worse gfx or less characters on screen?

bs

And now that people like to talk some much about ESRAM latency... Think about the latency when you send data via internet to be processed by a server far far away...

And another thing, do people think MS is going to have for each X1 sold a equivalent 600 gflops gpu in its servers reserver for that console sold to catch up PS4 GPU performance?. Well, it would have been easier and cheaper for them to include that power in the console from the beginning and make the customer pay directly for it...

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