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Avalanche CTO talks about the differences between PS4 & XB1's dev tools and hardware
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shinra-bansho
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It's interesting though how previously people were so incredulous to the idea that Sony may be providing a better development environment (right now). And some still remain so.
Also, the thread title is awful - or rather the EDGE article title. It's like FOX news bad in terms of quote distortion.
Also, the thread title is awful - or rather the EDGE article title. It's like FOX news bad in terms of quote distortion.
BlazingDarkness
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The cloud is just a sugar-coated online-DRM.
I thought the conference made it pretty obvious they were behind schedule.
The delay, the prepared excuse as to why there was no games, the fact there was only one first party title present and even that was a pretty unimpressive trailer. The rest of the games being shown with a mix of live action and concept videos. Also the only gameplay present may have been faked.
If those aren't signs of trouble I don't know what is.
Gemüsepizza
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I think the title is a little bit misleading:
He said...
“With each new driver release, performance increases dramatically in some areas. The PlayStation 4 environment is definitely more mature currently, so Microsoft has some catching up to do."
-> Here he is referring to development tools etc, see also this:
So what he means is that Microsoft has to catch up regarding dev tools.
Next he is talking about the hardware specs:
"The specs on paper would favour the PS4 over the Xbox One in terms of raw power, but there are many other factors involved so we’ll just have to wait and see a bit longer before making that judgment."
He doesn't say anything about the Xbox being able to catch up regarding specs and hardware performance, he is just being diplomatic here.
He said...
“With each new driver release, performance increases dramatically in some areas. The PlayStation 4 environment is definitely more mature currently, so Microsoft has some catching up to do."
-> Here he is referring to development tools etc, see also this:
So what he means is that Microsoft has to catch up regarding dev tools.
Next he is talking about the hardware specs:
"The specs on paper would favour the PS4 over the Xbox One in terms of raw power, but there are many other factors involved so we’ll just have to wait and see a bit longer before making that judgment."
He doesn't say anything about the Xbox being able to catch up regarding specs and hardware performance, he is just being diplomatic here.
amstradcpc
Member
Well, ICE team are between the most talented program group in the world. That is an investment Sony made with PS3 and that is greatly paying off...
Sony haven't got the infrastructure to make it a seamless experience. They haven't made the investment in 300,000 servers. I'm not even sure they have the tech like Microsoft has to do cloud computing.
Metalmurphy
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You are aware they just bought Gaikai right?
Publishers don't want games looking different. What they want is a unified experience. You will most likely get probably better I.Q or small frame rate differences.
The people expecting double the frame rate and stuff are crazy.
First party and exclusives are where you will get the gains from hardware.
amstradcpc
Member
Do you believe the tale about the 300000 servers reserved for xbox players?.
it seems the ICE team went to hell fighting with the cell and now its childs play for them lol
You mean the "MS will catch up" thing?
BlazingDarkness
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THREE HUNDRAD THASAND SERVAS!
Metalmurphy
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"PS4 more powerful on paper - MS development environment will catch up"
amstradcpc
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768 simultaneous threads, 6 ops/second per core and more than 200GB/s of bandwidth!.
Ups, and 5 billion transistors!.
Brad Grenz
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Anyone can rent time on a cloud platform like Azure or Amazon's. And Sony spent hundreds of millions buying a cloud gaming company. In any case, the cloud computing for games is likely a pipedream. Some MS studios will try it, it will probably be a shitty experience in the wild, and they'll stop doing anything but simple meta game shit or loot tables.
agree. Wasn't MS supposed to have the edge by a wide margin regarding tools and programming environment. That is what forum users usually say
specialguy
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That's slightly wrong too though. He says this:
More correct-ish would be like "PS4 more powerful on paper, but have to wait for final judgement"
The development environment between the two machines will eventually end up being similar since they are both AMD based PC like architectures. The thread title implies Microsoft is going to catch up in terms of power.
amstradcpc
Member
The curious thing is they said the X1 project was green lighted in 2011?. Wasn´t it too late?.
No. Somehow I feel we should get CLOUD in there.
Metalmurphy
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Thing is he makes comments on 2 entirely different things. The hardware and the development environment.
Thread title mashes sections of both remarks into one as if he said something else.
Nocturno999
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"But with Xbox One’s cloud capabilities"
I couldn't continue after that.
I couldn't continue after that.
googleplex
Member
This.
You can't "catch up" to 50% more GPU power, 40% more RAM and twice the RAM bandwidth.
dead monkey uk
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My thinking about cross platform games being similar was that many develops will not put the extra time in to improve one platform over another, but instead aim for parity, at least at the start of the generation.
What ever happens end of the year is going to be very interesting.
They may be involved in some library development, but stuff like compile or linker tools or debugging tools would be done by these guys.
They spent 300m+ just on the intellectual capital around this at Gaikai. At the Feb meeting Gaikai said that Sony had greenlit investment to build what they say will be the fastest cloud game network. They will invest heavily in infrastructure that will be at their disposal if asynchronous processing on remote servers becomes 'a thing'.
Gaikai's tech was like Onlive right? It just streamed low quality, high latency, real time video over the internet.
That's trivial stuff compared to sending AI, physics and GPU calculations over teh internet.
SolidSnakex
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Well, right now Sony has a laser focus on one thing, and that's gaming. They're basically doing everything in their power to make sure that the PS4 is at least one step ahead of other consoles from a gaming standpoint. It might not be as capable or as good in other areas, but that's not what they're banking on.
googleplex
Member
I can't believe people are actually buying this bull shit.
A lot of multiplatform games ended up 720p res on Xbox360 over subHD PS3 versions. Maybe developers won`t ignore such advantage at least.
flipswitch
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Fixed added special sauce reference.
not good news. More powerful console with better tools means devs will want to lead on PS4 right now and postpone porting to XBONE until they need to, allowing tools to mature enough to not waste time/effort.
An almost unbelievable turnaround from last gen. Clearly sony have focused on devs and tools this time, but for MS to drop the ball is surprising. I wonder if their windows apps tools for skype etc are more advanced.
An almost unbelievable turnaround from last gen. Clearly sony have focused on devs and tools this time, but for MS to drop the ball is surprising. I wonder if their windows apps tools for skype etc are more advanced.
your company is in the videogame industry?
They've spent most of the time trying to figure out how to make 'always-online' and 'no used games' easier to swallow.
They're still working on that however. The other stuff will have to wait until later.
Are you joking? The entire game runs remotely in the Gaikai/Onlive scenario. It's not simply about doing video streaming, it's about doing ALL the game's processing remotely. Doing SOME processing on that infrastructure via a RPC would be simple by comparison.
Gaikai was higher quality and in some instances same latency as paying locally on a 360.
I have little doubt that if Sony want to do cloud computing as you mention that they can do it using the "largest fastest network ever built" to use the words of Mr Gaikai himself.
Plus, Gaikai's partnering with Nvidia and their GRID technology. It's the fastest cloud computing technology (hardware) available today. Compare that with Microsoft's solution ..
SatansReverence
Hipster Princess
With what I mentioned, those things aren't big ticket items and more turning up/down an option in a game engine such as AA and Shadows.
Was it? Cause Quantum Break is also a MS Studio published game as well ya know...
REMEMBER CITADEL
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I don't think that the difference will be very pronounced in the end, but the very fact that the PS4 development environment seems to be more mature at this point is mind blowing. Microsoft, the software company, the makers of DirectX and Visual Studio, known for their excellent tools and developer support. What the hell have you been doing all this time, guys?
I blame Kinect.
And yes Microsoft being behind on development environment is blowing my mind, as much as them being behind on Nintendo on the indie dev scene.
I doubt that to, wouldn't they have to re-do the whole animation for the game just to accommodate the version with the faster frames?
At the very least, it should mean on paper that PS4 games won't suffer from slow down or framerate problems from multiplat games, providing the X1 is the lead platform in development.
mysteriousmage09
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We've seen the specs and the comparisons. Nothing about the Xbox One will put performance and visuals ahead of the PS4. The gap is way too big.
Cloud computing is the new 'secret sauce' it seems.
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