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AMD Polaris architecture to succeed Graphics Core Next
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Seems like more info will come tomorrow, but geometry improvements are always nice. http://videocardz.com/58031/amd-announces-polaris-architecture-gcn-4-0
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
4.0? Is AMD retconning their naming conventions or do those guys not know what they're talking about? Because I've never seen prior GCN versions being called "2.0" or "3.0."
Nope. AMD never formally designated their GCN versions. At best it has been Gen 1,2,3.
All the version stuff is used by the press and public.
Is this real or just a mock up? if it's real then it's just like I thought it would be with offloading chips for Displaying & so on.
One could just run games in 4K and have BluRay 4K. Imagine a patch for your existing PS4 games and Driveclub running in 4K
I would like to see Sony and Microsoft bring updated models out every year just like Apple with their iPad and iPhones. Dream on but it would be nice.
Hoo boy... that'd be an expensive PS4.
But I welcome the idea of a SLI GTX 980Ti and Core i7-4790k in a console, lol.
Is this real or just a mock up? if it's real then it's just like I thought it would be with offloading chips for Displaying & so on.
What? No.
This is just a diagram showing the functional blocks inside the GPU.
Finaika
Member
Maybe for PS5/Xbox Two.
SolidSnakeUS
Member
AMD really needs a big winner with new architecture. They need to get out in front or get equal to nVidia to really gain ground. Maybe also implement something just like ShadowPlay and work with more companies to encourage open source game works tools (can't remember the name).
At this point from my view it doesn't matter. People will still go Nvidia cause of marketing and where they've been even if AMD put out a good product that absolutely irrefutably destroyed Nvidia once in a blue moon
Rushersauce
Banned
AMD has a shadowplay like feature that works beautifully..... And it has competitive GPUs...
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
This is what I said before. AMD needs Nvidia to stumble, because that's the only way they are going to get out of their mindshare rut.
Of course that doesn't guarantee anything either when the competition can buy mindshare, AMD would know after Athlon 64
Don't think Nvidia would try or get away with that though, especially after Intel basically did.
SolidSnakeUS
Member
I literally had no idea they had one. I always thought nVidia was the only one to have something like it, at least made for their graphics cards.
Of course they have it.
Locuza
Member
Some new slides:
+ some more @ source:
http://videocardz.com/58031/amd-announces-polaris-architecture-gcn-4-0
+ some more @ source:
http://videocardz.com/58031/amd-announces-polaris-architecture-gcn-4-0
This is what I said before. AMD needs Nvidia to stumble, because that's the only way they are going to get out of their mindshare rut.
Of course that doesn't guarantee anything either when the competition can buy mindshare, AMD would know after Athlon 64
Nvidia stumble plenty, but it makes no difference, they have the best astroturfers in the industry.
Locuza
Member
86W (early lab GCN Gen 4) vs. 140W (GM206).
That's probably not enough to win or be on par with Pascal.
So they have to improve further, which the slides also confirms.
But looking from GCN1-3 this is already a major leap.
No it wouldn't. It would be awful.One could just run games in 4K and have BluRay 4K. Imagine a patch for your existing PS4 games and Driveclub running in 4K
I would like to see Sony and Microsoft bring updated models out every year just like Apple with their iPad and iPhones. Dream on but it would be nice.
That's what i'm saying, like...your saying Pascal is better than this and AMD is gonna improve, but Polaris already looks way better than what we have right now to begin with in terms of efficiency
For Gamers & Devs but what about the Multimedia consumers?
I know MS would love for Xbox One to become the type of product that people would buy for their mom or dad like the smaller Multimedia boxes.
...and that could only happen if they were refreshed every year?
Source
Next Gen Console GPU is in AMD's bag.
I hope AMD doesn't go down until then. Also, if AMD is still around, Nvidia probably won't even be interested in the deal.
Zen CPU cores + whatever crazy GPU is around in 2019 is gonna be a treat
mugurumakensei
Member
Eh. AMD is 16nm FinFET for GPU. 14nm is their CPU node size.
Not every year but I think a refresh in 2017 would be worth it to keep the console multimedia functions up to par with the newer devices.
Finaika
Member
Is Skylake 14nm?
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
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Next Gen Console GPU is in AMD's bag.
I hope AMD doesn't go down until then. Also, if AMD is still around, Nvidia probably won't even be interested in the deal.
I think AMD is pushing really hard to be recognised as a great semi-custom player and the console contracts are a good way to prove that. They know what went right and what went wrong with their current APU's and I hope they do get to iterate for next consoles
!mugurumakensei
Member
Intel's been 14nm for broad well and skylake.
Kaffeemann
Banned
AFAIK Fiji had some misbalance between the front- and backend. Judging from the slides, does it look like they fixed it?
They already are for the most part. But its good news for next gen consoles as well to have PC components pull far ahead quickly, with more with emphasis on power efficiency too.
It's very probable actually.
I also expect Pascal to have the same problems as Maxwell.
I don't expect full DX12 compliance until the next uArch for both companies.
jeff_rigby
Banned
GF is 14nm while TSMC is 16nm
I THINK Zen is 14 nm because it is only going to be produced at Global Foundries and maybe Samsung while a dGPU if produced at TSMC would be 16nm.
AMD is second sourcing at Samsung so I expect high end dGPUs, Zen and APU (Zen + Arctic Islands + HBM2) to be produced at both Global Foundries and Samsung. AMD can't chance a supply issue with a foundry dropping the ball.
It's also possible that Apple will be using a next generation AMD APU in their iMACs rather than a Intel smaller APU and a dGPU. An article I read was convinced that Apple would be using a larger Intel APU and doing away with the AMD dGPU. From what I can gather AMD's APU will be higher performance and cheaper than Intel's APU so the roles will be reversed and this doesn't rely on consumer mind share but on engineers choosing the best product.
Notice the next generation APU has specs to support UHD blu-ray, IPTV and Skype same as the XB1 (confirmed) and I think the PS4. This falls in line with the statements that the game consoles would be equal to mid range PCs for the next 5 years or so. I.E. a mid range PC wouldn't be able to support 4K gaming but all other consumer facing features would be supported. PS4 would drop form 120-140 watts to about 86 watts but all other features would remain the same. Enables incredible form factors with I think smaller GPUs in tablets and STBs.
Locuza
Member
Fiji don't really have a imbalance between the Front- and Backend.
Both are designed for a throughput of 64 pixels per clock.
I think you could better say, Front- and Backend are underpowered for the massive shader-array Fiji offers.
And no, the slides doesn't tell us anything in this recard.
We don't know how AMD is going to balance the chips.
icecold1983
Member
Source
Next Gen Console GPU is in AMD's bag.
I hope AMD doesn't go down until then. Also, if AMD is still around, Nvidia probably won't even be interested in the deal.
you do realize this is comparing amds new architecture against maxwell right? while i expect amds architecture to remain better suited to modern workloads compared to pascal, this comparison isnt very meaningful
Locuza
Member
Intel got already full DX12 compliance with Gen9.
Maxwell released 2014 and got 12.1 support.
For AMD releasing 2016 new GPUs without at least 12.1 support would be very disappointing for me.
jeff_rigby
Banned
Yes and AMD will be on the same node for the first time in years because the Intel 10nm node was delayed. Same node, almost the same CPU performance, greater GPU performance than Intel and cheaper. That's why I think they may have won the Apple contract for the iMAC.
Locuza
Member
They are not really on the same node.
Intel should be denser and I would also guess more power efficient.
But in comparison it's a mind boggling step forward for AMD vs. 28nm we have right now.
Yeah, I wouldn't go that far either. Process nodes might be similar in name, but that's about it.
I'm not sure how relevant this still is as it doesn't have LPP on it.
General Lee
Member
They're equal in name only. Intel's process node is purpose-built for their CPUs, while Samsung's 14 nm nodes are mostly for low power SoCs. According to some more knowledgeable people this means AMD could have serious problems reaching high clock speeds with their CPUs using Samsung's prcess node. In any case it'll be interesting to see how things work out.
It's nice to see AMD making serious updates to GCN. If the rumors are true that Pascal is mostly a minor update and aimed more towards getting back compute capabilities, AMD could really stand to finally get a win in the PC gaming space and not just consoles.
This needs to be continuously reposted, otherwise people think that 14nm=14nm.Yeah, I wouldn't go that far either. Process nodes might be similar in name, but that's about it.
Does it do desktop shadow capture now?
Manmademan
Member
this comment is underrated
jfoul
Member
Damn, thought for sure the flagship was going to be on 14nm. Has this info changed recently?
EDIT: Also mentioned again here on the 3rd.