demented waffle
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Where the hell did he say that? 4gb for a flagship card is low.
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AMD R9 390X benchmarks leak
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Where the hell did he say that? 4gb for a flagship card is low.
4GB is fine for the step down 390, but the flagship should really have 8GB if they want to compete with NV.
I guarantee if it ends up being 4GB at a similar price point to the 980 Ti, Nvidia will outsell them handily. People generally aren't looking for "just good enough" in a flagship card.
Dictator93
Member
Most cards do not have 2x HDMI on them, rather a mish mash of HDMI, DVI, and display port. You would need to look for an OEM variant for that.
What kind of games do you play / want to play?
No, I am just stating that 4GB isn't exactly the best idea for a new top end card coming out in june of 2015. Especially if it has all this shading power and bandwidth that cannot be put to good use because it runs out of framebuffer.
SolidSnakeUS
Member
I'm going to buy another GTX 970 to do SLI and have better performance than the 390X.
Assuming that the game has SLI profiles. And that those SLI profiles have solid frame delivery. You do have to deal with that 1 frame of input lag though.
Have you done this before?
If it comes out to around $600-$700 and beats out the Titan X, then it will sell like hotcakes. Beating out the 980, 980 Ti and Titan X at a more affordable price will be damn nice. However, I'll just probably add another GTX 970 and beat out all of those cards by themselves
The beauty of new cards is this the price drops that will be incoming if the 390x is worth it have me salivating. Last time this happened got two of my midrange cards 680 and 7950 at digustingly cheap prices compared to how they were weeks before the drops.
GTA5 has sealed my single gpu desires until something mid range comes out that does it 1080p locked or near not bothering with a new gpu or system. If witcher is the same my hunch will be justified till the end of this generation.
You can record your whole desktop with Shadowplay, I had several games where the game-only hook didn't work, they were captured just fine with the desktop-hook.
As for limitations, I dunno. Can capture up to 4k @ 30 or 60fps regardless of resolution; not sure if higher fps is possible, I only have a 60Hz monitor so maybe that's the issue. I really like Shadowplay, it's a great feature.
A dedicated capture card. Any other answer is wrong.
Both NVIDIA and AMD use an onboard H.264 encoder to capture footage.
EmptySpace
Banned
that power consumption though. almost 100 watts than the 970.
edit: apparently it's 130 watts more than the 970.
edit: apparently it's 130 watts more than the 970.
adampa1006
Banned
You said Star Citizen 1080P uses over 4GB of RAM. What does that mean for 970s, 980s, and their SLI rigs then? If a 980 4GB will play the game fine, so will a 390X.
CadetMahoney
Member
Assuming that the game has SLI profiles. And that those SLI profiles have solid frame delivery. You do have to deal with that 1 frame of input lag though.
Have you done this before?
That's why I don't care for SLI. . . all that money for annoyance? PC's have enough of that already.
They probably mean with some ludicrously high AA type settings.
SC runs fine on my 780 Ti KPE with 3GB of memory at 1440p.
JJKillaNOLE
Neo Member
I can remember not too long ago, summer of last year, I was reading threads on how 2gb of vram was more than enough for 1080p. This is when I had my 770 and thinking about upgrading. 4gb is not enough. And the people who think otherwise are fine with turning down settings like textures and AA. Something most avid PC gamers who spend top dollar on a video card don't want to do.
adampa1006
Banned
This card is going to blow away the 970.
SolidSnakeUS
Member
Assuming that the game has SLI profiles. And that those SLI profiles have solid frame delivery. You do have to deal with that 1 frame of input lag though.
Have you done this before?
SLI'd? Nope. Never had the money for it.
This card really shouldn't be compared to the 970.
These slides are also old as fuck.
adampa1006
Banned
You are most likely right. He threw that fact out there like some deterrent to buy a 390x 4GB. My money is that the card will have 4GB and 8GB versions (yes its possible with HBM)
Also- If there was a Titan X at $700 with 4GB RAM, this board would be ALL over it.
Are these new HBM gonna be really important gaming wise in your opinion? I mean for example overclocking GPUs memory clock speed doesn't give almost any fps boost in games, unlike the GPU core clock, plus i don't think developers will take advantage of them given that console still have DDR3 and GDDR5 memory, and we have seen in the recent Witcher 3 how console influence the PC version's development.
CadetMahoney
Member
Can you loop footage back into a dedicated capture card from a HDMI graphics card residing in the same PC? It's so I don't need to buy a seperate PC to capture stuff.
I'll settle for the in-built recording options of a graphics card as long as they can just capture desktop footage without capture limitations (like games having to be fullscreen, several video overlays running at once etc).
edit - ok just read about shadowplay being able to do this. Thanks.
EmptySpace
Banned
amd will be the one being crazy if they priced it above 700 bucks. titan x holds so little in the marketshare. unless they want their rebranded/refresh to go up against the 900s, which the "new" 360/70/80 will fail to beat.
Nah it's beating a $700 card priced at $1000
If you stick to big budget AAA type games, you'll generally be okay on the SLI profile side of things. If you play anything outside of that, it's basically a dice throw on whether or not SLI will be working.
Even in some cases of AAA, you won't have profiles on Day 1 of release, perhaps not even week 1. Sometimes never.
In both cases, you can generally find workarounds to get it working, but that takes 5-30 mins or more of getting the right custom profiles. When those get loaded, you might get uneven frame pacing, which is seen on your end as stuttering, or often labeled as "micro stuttering".
If you like tinkering, none of that is really a hassle, and part of the fun of having a high performance PC. If you want things to just work though, it can give you headaches.
Yes, you can loop it back into the same PC. It's also going to give you less of a performance hit than Shadowplay/Game DVR. Game DVR is AMD's version of Shadowplay, and works totally the same.
Both Game DVR and Shadowplay will probably work just fine if you're not after super high frame rates (100 FPS+).
That's exactly what some of us will do around at the time when the game is finally released. Most of our rigs will be upgraded for VR well before that time anyway
adampa1006
Banned
Its a losing battle. Nvidia has got everyone to think that perf/watt is the end all be all of metrics now. The whole green "efficiency" thing.
Thats why Nvidia users are buying mid-range cards at $600, and top end cards at $1k.
The 980s (204) lineage is a mid range card not one person can deny that.
Alternatively a Haswell-E class CPU and x264. That way you get the best quality encodes.
It will certainly provide advantages at higher resolutions.
cripterion
Member
So basically I'm still balling with SLI 970. Good to know!
mario_O
Member
http://www.overclock.net/t/1546039/...-fiji-380x-has-performance-to-take-on-a-titan
Old article, same slides, but for the 380X.
Old article, same slides, but for the 380X.
ohyouagain
Member
I am tempted to reply a GTX 960.
EmptySpace
Banned
can anyone explain how a faster and bigger mem bandwidth can have tangible effects on games?
especially with games that are released recently like the witcher, and older games where hbm isn't really the standard.
especially with games that are released recently like the witcher, and older games where hbm isn't really the standard.
Dictator93
Member
No, just normal 1080p with only SMAA1x. This is without any enemy ships even.
Having played Star Citizen with a 970 before, the game stutters due to VRAM going above the limit at 1080p.
You can turn down texture settings. Voila!
SolidSnakeUS
Member
I mean, which high end (graphically) games out right now that don't have SLI profiles? Also, is it really never straight forward on getting it to work?
Dictator93
Member
That is exactly why people spend 700 USD on a GPU, to turn down their texture resolution settings...
Isn't it wonderful?
MikeE21286
Member
These the ones with HBM are they?
Irobot82
Member
Yup, with expected speed of sweet sweet 640 GB/s. And the card will be as short as 970 [watercooled version, aircooled will be a bit longer].
https://www.techpowerup.com/212332/...s-gtx-970-reference-r9-295x2-performance.html
As long as you keep your drivers up to date, then most bigish budget new releases will have profiles in the first week. Otherwise, no, it's not straight forward. Tribes: Ascend, for example, never had SLI profiles. CoD: Black Ops didn't have working profiles for at least the first threeish weeks. For more recent titles, Elder Scrolls Online, Shadows of Mordor, Titanfall, and GAF's favorite Dark Souls/Dark Souls II didn't have SLI profiles for months. I'm not sure if all of them even do have SLI profiles currently.
Most of the games I play (competitive and multiplayer games - which means a decent chunk of F2P games like Planetside 2 or H1Z1), never get SLI profiles.
In most of these cases, you can generally find workarounds through custom profiles though. They're never quite as smooth though.
I spent $1200 on mine between the card and waterblock. $750 on my display (RoG Swift). I don't really care about textures in comparison to high frame rates. So, yes, that is what some people do
Dictator93
Member
I also put HFR ahead of IQ. But turning down texture quality is like a punch to the gut due to how most games handle texture quality :/As long as you keep your drivers up to date, then most bigish budget new releases will have profiles in the first week. Otherwise, no, it's not straight forward. Tribes: Ascend, for example, never had SLI profiles. CoD: Black Ops didn't have working profiles for at least the first threeish weeks. For more recent titles, Elder Scrolls Online, Shadows of Mordor, Titanfall, and GAF's favorite Dark Souls/Dark Souls II didn't have SLI profiles for months. I'm not sure if all of them even do have SLI profiles currently.
Most of the games I play (competitive and multiplayer games - which means a decent chunk of F2P games like Planetside 2 or H1Z1), never get SLI profiles.
In most of these cases, you can generally find workarounds through custom profiles though. They're never quite as smooth though.
I spent $1200 on mine between the card and waterblock. $750 on my display (RoG Swift). I don't really care about textures in comparison to high frame rates. So, yes, that is what some people do
Subjective.
In my gaming circle, the first thing that everyone does is crank down all the settings until the frame rate doesn't drop below 120+. In anything competitive (which SC would qualify as for us), we'll turn down every setting just to make the core gameplay more clear and easier to see, things like shadows and post processing is almost always the first to go.
Not everyone drops tons of money on high end PC gear to see high IQ.
There will undoubtedly be 8GB variants through the AIBs. There are with the 290X even.
Thank you, I knew I had seen them before.
GTAV stutters like crazy for me in SLI. Ryse has flashing decals which are super annoying. Divinity Original Sin is unplayable in SLI mode. Far Cry 4 shadows flicker in full screen mode.
ACU on the other hand works and looks great (although performance is still subpar overall)
SolidSnakeUS
Member
As long as you keep your drivers up to date, then most bigish budget new releases will have profiles in the first week. Otherwise, no, it's not straight forward. Tribes: Ascend, for example, never had SLI profiles. CoD: Black Ops didn't have working profiles for at least the first threeish weeks. For more recent titles, Elder Scrolls Online, Shadows of Mordor, Titanfall, and GAF's favorite Dark Souls/Dark Souls II didn't have SLI profiles for months. I'm not sure if all of them even do have SLI profiles currently.
Most of the games I play (competitive and multiplayer games - which means a decent chunk of F2P games like Planetside 2 or H1Z1), never get SLI profiles.
In most of these cases, you can generally find workarounds through custom profiles though. They're never quite as smooth though.
I spent $1200 on mine between the card and waterblock. $750 on my display (RoG Swift). I don't really care about textures in comparison to high frame rates. So, yes, that is what some people do
The problem is, I don't exactly want to move away from Nvidia, it just doesn't help that the 980 and Titan X are super fucking expensive. I'm sure the 980 Ti will be pretty pricy too.