Old Gimlet Eyes
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I've had a 290x since last July and really like it. I upgraded from an old 5770 and I can tell this card, like the 5770, will last me a long time.
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Anandtech: AMD To Launch New Desktop GPU This Quarter (Q215) With HBM
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I've had a 290x since last July and really like it. I upgraded from an old 5770 and I can tell this card, like the 5770, will last me a long time.
brain_stew
Member
Considering neither Intel or AMD have delivered anything approaching a 40% IPC increase in a single generation since the Core Duo a decade ago, it is absolutely an incredible step forward for AMD. Long overdue and desperately needed but a fantastic and significant leap forward all the same.
No one is expecting or predicting AMD to take Intel's performance crown but they don't have to in order to make things interesting again.
Let's just hope they haven't gone too far the other way and made all of these IPC gains at the expense of clock speed.
Cow Mengde
Banned
What's this bullshit about AMD not being competitive in the GPU segment? AMD and Nvidia have been trading blows back and forth for the last 3 or 4 years. CPU is another story.
thunder_snail
Member
Not really. AMD used to have better hardware but with worse software back in Nvidia's FX days. But now, and for good part of last half decade, Nvidia equaled or bettered them in hardware and has kept up their advantage on software side. The declining AMD GPU marketshare reflects this.
Mostly because AMD have been so agressive with price. Nvidia managed similar performance with smaller chips, less memory bandwidth and lower power consumption (680 vs 7970). That was Kepler, with Maxwell they have cards using a 256bit bus beating AMD cards with a much more expensive 512bit bus.
Take this with some Nvidia's element (salt) but there was some guy on reddit who posted a screenshot of the display information of a (supposedly) R9 390.
The post was titled "All I can say is It's a thing that every gamer needs.(R9 390)". He then went onto say ...
"It outperforms GTX 980 a lot. gtx 980 [------] R9 390 [---------]"
"It's improvement in compute. Can't test in games because new win10 build crashes when launching games."
"More news after 4 weeks in Taiwan.
""v1.0 had 4 GB of VRAM, and now has 8GB, but because of low yields of HBM it will take more time to create huge amount of cards."
Read at your own risk - https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/34tpq6/all_i_can_say_is_its_a_thing_that_every_gamer/
FunkyMunkey
Banned
after nvidia fucking me with that 0.5gb vram in my 970 and being blatantly deceitful about it, i'm watching amd closely. i'm sure there are others in the same boat
Caayn
Member
Used to own a Crossfire set-up of two 290x reference cards. If you can keep them cool the performance is really good.
The only problem they had was that the stock cooler couldn't keep the cards cool without producing a lot of sound. Cranking up the fan speed you could easily have them running at max speed without throttling but at the cost of higher noise production.
I've never had problems with AMD GPUs, reading the internet makes it look like I'm one of the lucky ones.
AMD are still shipping A57-based chips this year, it's their custom K12 core which has been pushed back. I wouldn't have really expected that in a Nintendo handheld anyway, as it seems to be oriented towards the server market, which means less emphasis on the kind of power-saving functionality which you'd want in a handheld.
thunder_snail
Member
The hardware itself I feel was never the problem with AMD GPUs. Hell, when it comes to pure hardware reliability, I'd say AMD has Nvidia beat, even with higher TDP.
It's the software that's been the problem, especially once you try to use the GPUs for anything other than gaming or bitcoin mining. It's not really a problem for vanilla gaming though. However, lots of heavy graphics mods like ENBs still have issues with AMD cards.
If you do, hook me up! I'd be interested in an upgrade soon.
anexanhume
Member
Compared to Intel, no. But a 40% increase in one generation is extremely good. They'll still be behind but can compete on a $/perf metric again.
Yeah, fun marketing acronyms. 2.5D memory is what I'll call it
GhostTrick
Banned
Yeah, I meant their low-powered A57 chips. They were supposed to have low-power ARM APU but it seems this isn't in their plans anymore.
As for Seattle, it's still on the way for H2.
Too bad, I guess the speculation for the next handheld continues
Saintruski
Unconfirmed Member
curious wish it could poll, is AMD banking on VR being more than a niche really smart marketing?
BTW does anyone chill at the place called wccftech....that place is hardcore AMD fanboy it has made me hate AMD...sadly it's a piss poor crowd there but I wish the best for AMD
BTW does anyone chill at the place called wccftech....that place is hardcore AMD fanboy it has made me hate AMD...sadly it's a piss poor crowd there but I wish the best for AMD
VR is a tech that will be valuable to other industries that actually make more profit than videogames.
WCCFTech in general is gutter trash.
Saintruski
Unconfirmed Member
I can see the oppurtunies in other markets but is AMD able to transition out of its primary industry? they need something new do they have that capital or market share anymore to do such things? To lead the way? when they open their mouth will people listen or will people look to Nvidia and Intel where the market share and capital is at. VR has come and gone multiple times, it's a risk and still a niche until someone can make it otherwise.
cyen
Member
First "picture" from 390X, if really true (i know i know wccftech, but the moderator confirms it´s the really deal).
Compact size, great for small builds, i have a bad feeling that this GPU will beat titan x performance (bad feeling since i got a titan X at launch).
http://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-fiji-xt-r9-390x-pictured-features-small-form-factor-water-cooling/
Compact size, great for small builds, i have a bad feeling that this GPU will beat titan x performance (bad feeling since i got a titan X at launch).
http://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-fiji-xt-r9-390x-pictured-features-small-form-factor-water-cooling/
brain_stew
Member
The budget gaming rig holy grail. Fingers crossed that Zen delivers it.
Fourth Storm
Member
Yeah, I meant their low-powered A57 chips. They were supposed to have low-power ARM APU but it seems this isn't in their plans anymore.
As for Seattle, it's still on the way for H2.
Too bad, I guess the speculation for the next handheld continues
Yup, as Thraktor said, they've still got the A57-based Seattle coming soon. Thing is, that's still on 28nm. I wonder how much effort it takes to port it to a dif node. Of course, 28nm next year is a possibility...
GhostTrick
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Fourth Storm
Member
Oops, I was only talking about the CPU core. Would AMD want to port the A57 to finFET when they are focusing on K12? Either way, Nintendo has a quad core ARM11 on 28nm in 2015. Consoles are AMD's lifeline right now so they will probably be willin to cater Nintendo's wishes as long as they are reasonable.
Link to AMD Financial Analyst Day 2015 webcast
Edit: Starting at around 13:50 Lisa said their previously mentioned semi-custom design win will be ramping in 2016 -- Hello Nintendo NX ?
Edit: Starting at around 13:50 Lisa said their previously mentioned semi-custom design win will be ramping in 2016 -- Hello Nintendo NX ?
Irobot82
Member
First rendering maybe....if it's even legit.
It will be cool to have tiny card though. It'll help with those ITX builds.
Irobot82
Member
They fixed the latency issue on the newer cards that don't require a physical link anymore but they are slower at putting out profiles than Nvidia. But as always, just about all dual graphics suck.
Their presentation mentioned that HBM allows for a smaller form factor
The beauty of ARM reference designs like the A57 (or the A53 or whatever else Nintendo might want to go with) is that you don't have to "port" them to a new process, every fab under the sun will already be offering them on all new nodes. Just build the rest of your chip around them.
Krappadizzle
Member
Let's cool the hype until we see some benches to avoid disappointment. It's AMD we are talking about. I'm hoping for the best, expecting the slightly better.
Fourth Storm
Member
Yeah, that was the other side of the argument I had going in my brain. Those cores should be common enough that GF, TSMC, and Samsung probably already have them ready for finFET nodes.
Good hearing from you!
Irobot82
Member
Comments like these are dumb. People still need to actually buy the GPU's.
It reads like, "someone needs to buy this garbage so I can get a better deal of my fancy GPU but I won't stoop down to that level."
Considering that their current $300 card is a 290x and it hangs with a 980 for half the price, I think this should be possible, although asking them to stick to a price point that's half that of the competition is unreasonable if they are releasing a brand new card. If their 980 killer is $400 you wouldn't buy it?
General Lee
Member
The HBM advantage reminds me of the time AMD introduced the 4870. They were the first to introduce GDDR5 and as a result Nvidia's GTX 280 and 260 ended up dropping massively in price to compete. Hopefully the same will happen with Fiji. I'm just worried they've got nothing else to introduce, and the lower end will stay the same as it has been for years.
Irobot82
Member
With AMD being strapped for extra resources I wouldn't expect a full new line of GPU's until 14nm/GCN 2.0 with the 400 series next year.
The SFF part of this is awesome, even though I've managed to fit a 290x in a hadron air itx case. What would be really cool is of this would allow for sli set ups in matx/itx cases. Or even better, the card is so powerful there will be no need for sli. Shit, I mean my 290x solo already does 30-60fps at ~high settings on my 4k tv. If we could get full 60fps ultra with a small form factor living room PC that would be awesome. For a price that's actually reasonable instead of nvidia's $1000 nonsense titan x.
So sexy
General Lee
Member
The wccf render looks somewhat believable, and hints at how HBM would make the card really short. And if it is that short, a water cooler makes sense. With normal air cooler they'd just have to extend it just to support a large enough cooler. Makes one think if there's going to be AIB air cooler options in the future.
texhnolyze
Banned
Indeed.
I've been using AMD gpus since mid 2000s, never had any problems with them.
My HD 5770 lasted for a good 5 years, ran any game decently. I'm on another AMD gpu right now and so far no problem at all.
This was what I was thinking too but it seems that the card still has an air exhaust at the back. It wouldn't be so thick either. So the question is if it isn't watercooled what is that thing on the side. If it is watercooled why is there a rear vent and why is it so thick, they should be able to make it take up only one slot.
Sir Abacus
Member
AMD need to get a fucking product out the door. Last peep we heard from them was GCN 1.2 and that was back September last year and only one product. Before that it was GCN 1.1 from late 2013. Hello, AMD? You still there? Still alive?
The water cooling is only for the core. The air cooling is still present for the VRMs and ancillary components.
The water cooling is only for the core. The air cooling is still present for the VRMs and ancillary components.
The marketshare only reflects the better marketing from Nvidia. AMD is wasting a lot of energy with the 200 series, but with a non-stock cooler, I can't see a problem. This also the part where Nvidia is currently leading. Was a bit different during Fermi. They are trading equal blows with the hardware, but I expect AMD to get the upper hand until next year with the 300 series.
General Lee
Member
Yeah I was wondering about the back exhaust too, but they probably want to have air flow for the rest of the components too. It's actually a bit of a mystery how that would cool the VRM if there's no fan. It would imply the VRM is also cooled with the AIO which would probably make it a more expensive cooler.