This move by Apple, or the flag? You might wanna be more specific.
That's exactly what they're doing by making this dumb move, though. Edit out support, not history...or simulated depictions of it.
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Apple pulls everything w/ Confederate Flag from App Store including Civil War games
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This move by Apple, or the flag? You might wanna be more specific.
That's exactly what they're doing by making this dumb move, though. Edit out support, not history...or simulated depictions of it.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
Too far IMO
Stone Ocean
Member
Pretending things never happened will not bring those people back
How does seeing the confederate flag in American civil war games make some blacks feel?
TimorousPanda
Member
SliceSabre
Banned
Ok this is overboard. When used in context of the civil war of course the flag makes sense there.
PixalTheCat
Banned
Why don't they ban Safari?
blast processed
Member
Why stop at just games? Why not pull books off of iTunes while they're at it?
Fragamemnon
Member
Like Paradox does for Hearts of Iron, which doesn't diminish Hearts of Iron at all.
Most games don't use swastikas to represent German forces. Color convention and NATO symbols are really all you need to identify WW2 battle elements.
edit: The real crime is that Apple just shitcanned everything without warning. Most of these developers would have been more than happy to update the apps to purge this shitstain of history on request.
TouchMyBox
Member
Apple being pathetic once again.
If only Comic Zeal was on Android.
Their stance are that books are art (unless they contain pictures), and video games are not.
There is a big difference between "fuck yeah, racism!" And history.
If only Comic Zeal was on Android.
Their stance are that books are art (unless they contain pictures), and video games are not.
There is a big difference between "fuck yeah, racism!" And history.
The Albatross
Member
Probably going to have to pull the movie Glory, Ken Burns' The Civil War, and just about everything else remotely about the most important historic event in American history as well.
Many games do use swastikas, although in games where the player is encouraged to play as the Germans (say, most multiplayer WW2 FPS games), they are usually removed because most players don't want to play on a team that has a swastika over it. Now, I complete disagree with the Confederate flag hanging on public grounds and I think only ignoramuses portray it proudly today, but commanding a historically accurate Robert E. Lee in Sid Mier's Gettysburg is abjectly different from playing as the Nazi's in a World War II first-person XP shooter.
Many games do use swastikas, although in games where the player is encouraged to play as the Germans (say, most multiplayer WW2 FPS games), they are usually removed because most players don't want to play on a team that has a swastika over it. Now, I complete disagree with the Confederate flag hanging on public grounds and I think only ignoramuses portray it proudly today, but commanding a historically accurate Robert E. Lee in Sid Mier's Gettysburg is abjectly different from playing as the Nazi's in a World War II first-person XP shooter.
Don't give them ideas
Bedameister
Member
Yes you won't find a German version of a game which has swastikas in them.
It's ok to show them on TV though.
SDCowboy
Member
lol what?
DeviantBoi
Member
So this is kinda like Germany banning the use of swastikas in games?
Uh...not quite.
PixyJunket
Member
Games with a picture of a flag, offensive. REMOVE.
Games about murdering humans, not offensive. KEEP.
2015 liberals in a nutshell.
Games about murdering humans, not offensive. KEEP.
2015 liberals in a nutshell.
Gordon Shumway
Banned
Boycott Apple. Play your games on Zune!!
qualitydisc
Member
Brain-dead stupid.
But I guess Apple needs a rule that they can enforce easily (if not bluntly), rather than spending money hiring an employee to rule on a case-by-case basis what is and is not historically accurate.
But I guess Apple needs a rule that they can enforce easily (if not bluntly), rather than spending money hiring an employee to rule on a case-by-case basis what is and is not historically accurate.
I don't think anyone was complaining about the flag being used in actual historical contexts like Civil War museums, battlefields, re-enactments, etc.
The complaint was about it being flown outside the state capitals where it feels like it's being treated as an active thing. If it was even in a museum inside the building we wouldn't be having this debate.
The complaint was about it being flown outside the state capitals where it feels like it's being treated as an active thing. If it was even in a museum inside the building we wouldn't be having this debate.
I hope by nobody, you mean corporations, because there have been a long line of people railing against the flag since 1861.
Should we scrub everything from history that makes someone feel bad?
megashock5
Member
This is what I'm thinking as well, gives them the opportunity to evaluate the games.
Not going to judge this move until there's more context.
Veritigo_X
Member
This is dumb. Apple completely missed the point.
canedaddy
Member
I don't know but toys and other merchandise from the show are now verboten. Craziness.
Ninja Scooter
Member
say goodbye to Lynyrd Skynyrd music on iTunes.
DragonSworne
Banned
The issue with the Confederate flag has nothing to do with feelings.
It is ok in a context of historical documentation and certain depictions in art. Unfortunately games are not on the same level as other art forms in Germany, and thus it is much harder to get the usage approved under the "art"-aspect (even though it is theoretically possible).
no hard feelings either way about this. it isn't like kids won't learn about the civil war in school. idk, I wouldn't really care if the flag just disappeared. I know censorship and such but I can't think of a time where having the flag being shown or even swastikas has deepened the impact of a title or anything noteworthy. It was kinda just there to paint good vs bad.
robertlebrone
Member
Wal-mart wasn't stopping sales of confederate flags before this.
Apple wasn't removing Civil War games from its store before this.
Governors in states where the flag has been flown for years are now coming out and calling for it to be removed when they didn't give a damn before.
This is what I mean when I say people didn't care until now. People/corporations with influence.
Inferno313
Banned
What? I'm all for Walmart removing shitty redneck T-shirts with the flag from their store, but removing the flag from historically accurate media is absurd.
Don't be stupid. This forum has plenty of 2015 liberals and NONE of them are saying that this move is right. So you're pretty much talking bullshit by making this a "liberal" thing.
That's because it was easy to ignore all the people pointing out the history of the flag, the type of people that usually have toggles flags and what it generally represents before this. Saying people didn't care was a terrible choice of words.
The Albatross
Member
Yep. Now, I'm against the confederate flag on public grounds and think only idiots are proud to hang it (on their trucks, house, jackets, etc), but there's a reason the damn car in the DUkes of Hazard has a confederate flag on it. The car is called the General Lee. The General Lee was the name was the commander of the Army of the Confederacy. The horn blows the song Dixie. And even beyond that, the inspiration for the General Lee was a real life bootlegging car called Traveller, named after Robert E. Lee's real-life horse.
There wasn't as much of a public fervor about it with things like the Apple App store or Wal-Mart and what have you, but displays of the confederate flag on public grounds has been a loud and seminal debate for as long as I've been alive (I'm 31). You're right that nobody's gone as far to ban it or stop selling it, but people definitely cared about this issue for a long time... It's the reason that stores like WalMart even carried them to begin with, people care about this issue on both sides and that spurs sales.
You never saw WalMart or any other major retailers selling the battle flag of Massachusetts because nobody cares about debating any issues behind the Battle flag of Massachusetts:
Part of why the confederate flag is something that someone wants to buy in the first place is because of the controversy around it, and that controversy has been an impassioned public debate for decades, maybe more than a century.
Fancy Clown
Member
I actually think you are really badly missing the point
Yikes.
Gordon Shumway
Banned
lol..oh boy.
much rather have an overblown reaction about something i consider "an overblown reaction by Apple"!
