I'm sure there ARE some liberals here who are happy about this, but I agree. This has to do with suffocating political correctness and outrage culture.
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Apple pulls everything w/ Confederate Flag from App Store including Civil War games
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I'm sure there ARE some liberals here who are happy about this, but I agree. This has to do with suffocating political correctness and outrage culture.
robertlebrone
Member
I understand it was a poor choice of words. That's why I wanted to clarify.
How so?
Nah 1995 levels of censorship aren't reached yet. Nazi flags are censored to this day, that has not changed.
1995 level is taking ALL human units out of the game and replacing them by roboters, regardless of faction. We're not talking about an Ego-Shooter or something here (of course it also happened in those), we're talking RTS where a unit sprite(!) barely had enough pixels to make out what it was supposed to be.
Command and Conquer as a series certainly didn't have it easy here
Stone Ocean
Member
It's not just a matter of "good vs bad" but historical accuracy. Ever play a nazi game without swastikas? It just looks silly.
Also there's the whole matter of sweeping things under a rug. People should never, ever forget the atrocities the human race can commit. These things need to be shown, not as a symbol of extremist pride but one of shame, people need to be reminded this kind of shit can never happen again.
RealityCheque
Banned
Yes that's exactly whats going on here. We are all racists, its so obvious.
Well done, cookie for you.
Crimson_Gold
Member
Probably not the best choice of words with all things considered
Thabass
Member
I grew up in the heart of "redneck culture", witnessing "southern pride" firsthand constantly. If the controversy here is what slowly kills that "culture", then by all means. Duck Dynasty next, please.
That being said, historical games are about HISTORY. This is a bit ridiculous, and more than likely a move that corporations are making only to avoid potential lawsuits.
That being said, historical games are about HISTORY. This is a bit ridiculous, and more than likely a move that corporations are making only to avoid potential lawsuits.
Fine. But, I really, REALLY hate PC.
Then buy a Mac dude.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
Member
Relax, it's Apple. This is what they do.
No because I don't live in Germany but I bet Germans still have a clear understanding of the atrocities of WWII.
Thabass
Member
Not sure if joking or not joking.
Fair enough. But, I really, REALLY hate PC.
Why do you hate people being respected?
This isn't "PC" it's a company trying to be "PC" and failing miserably.
Of All Trades
Member
If the mere presence of the swastika or confederate flag in a game glorifies those things then the presence of nazis or confederate soldiers do as well, and should be purged as well, along with any references to locations, dates, etc. Removing a single symbol doesn't purge a game of any possibility of glorifying hate.
VeryGooster
Banned
I didn't even know there were Civil War games on the App Store.
The Last Wizard
Member
Slippery slope is on sale?!
shadowhunter89
Banned
The battle lines are drawn... This is being blown way out of proportion...
Fancy Clown
Member
People have always cared about the confederate flag and wanted it gone. Just because it can't kill people on its own doesn't mean it's not a symbol for racism and hatred that has been so thoroughly ingrained in our society that in large swathes of the country it is seen as perfectly acceptable to fly that flag. So while it is silly to take it out of historical video games, its not silly to remove the flag after a racist murders a bunch of people. In fact it should have been removed for sale and taken down in SC long before this.
This stuff is getting out of hand.
Absolutely stupid.
(I have no problem with the whole "flag needs to not be flown publicly" thing. Take it down, it means nothing to me. I have ancestors that died on both sides of the Civil War)
This shouldn't cross over into games/movies/shows, etc.
Absolutely stupid.
(I have no problem with the whole "flag needs to not be flown publicly" thing. Take it down, it means nothing to me. I have ancestors that died on both sides of the Civil War)
This shouldn't cross over into games/movies/shows, etc.
Yep. State governments shouldn't be flying the Confederate Battle Flag 1) because it's treasonous, and 2) most places like South Carolina put it back up in response to the Civil Rights movement to symbolize their opposition.
People using that flag in an appropriate historical context or in a museum is fine. People have the right to fly it on private property or buy stuff with it but it should carry the same stigma as the Nazi swastika flag. Companies obviously have the right to refuse to sell those items as well. Wal-Mart and NASCAR aren't bastions of liberalism.
Personally I'd be fine with it flying in a cemetery for Confederate soldiers too (although I think a State flag might be more appropriate?)
Apple's move is dumb, wrong, and way too overly broad, although they've acted similarly in the past.
I donated money to Howard Dean and Obama so I think I classify as a "liberal".
robertlebrone
Member
Read my follow-up post.
I'm not even going to go so far as saying it shouldn't be sold. Like, that's up to individual businesses to me. But on public grounds? Fuck that and anyone supporting it.
Dude, you can absolutely not live in Germany without knowing what happened in WWII and who the bad guys were. No chance whatsoever. Nazi symbolism in movies and books is fair game, Only games seem to be different to the government for whatever reason.
TheLostBigBoss
Banned
Yea, nobody cared till now (that's why there was legislator trying to remove it back in 2000)
Oh wait, I forgot, people do give a shit and have made the connection between a flag designed with white supremacy in mind and that of a mass murder motivated completely by race flying at the state house, and flying ABOVE the United States flag when the US flag was at half mask.
I mean, it's not like the flag was raised in the early 1960's at the hight of the civil rights movement or anything.
But lets just keep that apathy train going! "I mean, I don't give a shit, why does everyone else care, am I right?"
We do our best to never forget. I don't think anyone who goes through the full school curriculum here gets to leave without at least 1-2 years (for the lower school forms) or at least 3 years worth of history classes about the rise of the Nazi party and WW2, as well as coverage of the subject in multiple other subjects like Religion, Ethics, Music and German.
Also at least everyone who attended a Gymnasium (can't speak for the other school forms in this regard, but I'd bet they do it too) within 200-300km of a Concentration Camp won't graduate without having visited it at least once.
Lmao, if you say so.
I figured as much. My post was just to show how silly I think the idea of the removal from video games would lead to people forgetting it happened is.
I take it you're straight, cis, and white?
Varjis
Member
Offtopic: It is actual even more hilarious because the flag they fly isn't even the Confederate States of America flag, its the freaking battle flag of the Northern Virginia Army! (Which got popularized to represent the Confederacy cause it was purty I guess) So in essence they are paying tribute to the Confederate Army.
I love how some people are too stupid to know their own history, but then again we are talking about a group of people that often refer to the Civil War as "The War of Northern Aggression."
Back on topic: Apple is over zealous in their political correctness associated with the current news cycle and the sky is blue.
I love how some people are too stupid to know their own history, but then again we are talking about a group of people that often refer to the Civil War as "The War of Northern Aggression."
Back on topic: Apple is over zealous in their political correctness associated with the current news cycle and the sky is blue.
An inanimate object that symbolizes a divide in our nation over something objectively horrible. It's not crazy to want it removed from public/government locations. Dirtbags can wave it. Our government shouldn't.
SDCowboy
Member
This is the other thing that is irritating. Being a white, straight male means I can't be bothered by anything?
TheLostBigBoss
Banned
This is the best part about it really. I wish more news agencies would tell the idiots who go "Mah heritage!!!" about actual history.
Or you know, understand what the confederacy represented and why flying a fucking battle flag over the capitol of a state with a huge black population is horribly intolerant of that population of people, or the reason why it's flying in the first place.
But no, people are just too sensitive these days and need to man up against obvious institutional racism.
SDCowboy
Member
Of course it shouldn't be on government buildings. I'm not arguing that. But people not even wanting the flag sold or for people wanting it banned is ludicrous, IMO.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
It's a shame the confederate flag wasn't an Apple.
Black Republican
Member
Dont agree with apple here.
Any how still waiting my slavery games to be made
Massa... Massa nooooo!
Any how still waiting my slavery games to be made
Massa... Massa nooooo!
floatingcoffins
Member
I understood that reference.
I agree with you there.
hosannainexcelsis
Member
Really, if you're going to ban the use of Confederate flags in war games, you should just ban all games which allow the player to play as the Confederate side. Letting someone enact their fantasies of making the side that fought for slavery win is far worse than just printing a flag.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
Member
That's a larger scope of discussion, and a boring one at that.
The Faceless Master
Member
good!
hope the books and movies next. especially any of those ridiculous revisionist history e-Textbooks sponsored by the Texas school board.
hope the books and movies next. especially any of those ridiculous revisionist history e-Textbooks sponsored by the Texas school board.