not on my xbone. on my xbone, the audio chip wont even ever learn what color the kinect is
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Ars Technica: Penello's XB1 Numbers, Ars "Sniff Test" Analysis
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not on my xbone. on my xbone, the audio chip wont even ever learn what color the kinect is
Chobel
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Because some of us can know when tech things are right or not. Those people did their homework and get to the same conclusion before that Ars article. So no, Ars article isn't taken as fact just like that.
SmoothRunningGun
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Don't know why ms is arguing this. The price difference should be their larger concern.
RedRooster
Member
Ok, hear me out guys. What if this system is actually alright? And my games play fine?
I know, I know, bizarro world. But just imagine!
I know, I know, bizarro world. But just imagine!
lol, business how does it work.
Hi, employee of PS4 game. Come work for my company for more $$ and more responsibility! Or... you know, it could have been a horrible place to work. Or he had family issues. But, I'm sure he's just not "a genuine dude"
No doubt it'll work, but you'll be paying more for less, relative to the PS4.
FrostuTheNinja
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REASON HAS NO PLACE HERE!
RedRooster
Member
But the games will play fine? And I won't be penetrated in any orifices when I turn it on?
Imagine all the fanboys, living life in peeeeaaacee oo hoooo ooo
You may say I'm a dreamer
DragonSworne
Banned
Figuratively or literally?
I'm simply playing a little devil's advocate...I've left jobs before..I understand what it's like...
RedRooster
Member
How would the games play figuratively?
Well, there's still time for MS to partner with Oculus and that Austrian porn company!
Oh get stuffed. There's a difference between dog piling onto something for no reason and calling out bullshit being told to us multiple times.
Killing_Joke
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I don't know tech but i'll take Cerny's words over Albert's and his "Tech Fellows".
Not saying Cerny is incapable of spreading FUD. But why would he do a billion conferences explaining why the PS4 is the most powerful and best for developers? Because he knows what he's talking about. Albert should have just simply said they have great teams that can make great looking games. To call out Sony was a dumb mistake.
Cerny is not Kutaragi.
Not saying Cerny is incapable of spreading FUD. But why would he do a billion conferences explaining why the PS4 is the most powerful and best for developers? Because he knows what he's talking about. Albert should have just simply said they have great teams that can make great looking games. To call out Sony was a dumb mistake.
Cerny is not Kutaragi.
Chobel
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No one is arguing if Xbox one is weak console in this thread. We're discussing here what Penello said about some technical stuff. And yes, most of us disagree with what he said.
Hi Chobel!
sorry I said "most say" as in "some other techies" mentioned the BW.. there is also a HW thread in the technology section if you want to dig deeper
OK, thanks, I'll try to browse b3yond in the future.
RedRooster
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...I'm listening.
People seem to be mistaking what ERP actually said, let's take a look at it.
So, for certain workloads CU's are underutilized. So firstly were only talking about some cases here, in others it does provide a 50% more CU 50% more performance.
Secondly, The other option is ROP limited frames, well I guess that means that to get a genuine 50% performance boost Sony should add 50% more ROP's, so they added 100%
Thirdly, Bandwidth Limited, ok here we go, PS4 could well have 50% more bandwidth available for these tasks depending on the efficiency of coding in the xbone version.
You don't need any technical knowledge to understand his statement, and the specifications of both GPU's are out there and easy to find.
So, for certain workloads CU's are underutilized. So firstly were only talking about some cases here, in others it does provide a 50% more CU 50% more performance.
Secondly, The other option is ROP limited frames, well I guess that means that to get a genuine 50% performance boost Sony should add 50% more ROP's, so they added 100%
Thirdly, Bandwidth Limited, ok here we go, PS4 could well have 50% more bandwidth available for these tasks depending on the efficiency of coding in the xbone version.
You don't need any technical knowledge to understand his statement, and the specifications of both GPU's are out there and easy to find.
3rdamention
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Not yet, he hasn't posted since this post right here:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=80999997&postcount=1163
Here is a link to all his posts on GAF:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/search.php?searchid=6170789
I am sure he will post later once he gets his answers gathered up. I would think he would at least respond to this story from ARS, but he may wait until the thread gets closed, which is unfortunate.
EdReedFan20
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I can't wait for both systems to be out so we can end all this back and forth craziness. Even more so, I can't wait to see all the video game sites open up each console and look at the components.
Wishmaster92
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But this is the main concern....
Why in the world would me, you, or anyone pay more for a console with clearly inferior specs on paper? I'll make it easier, even if the xbox one did not come with kinect and the price was the same as ps4, why would you pay for inferior hardware? Unless you have a tendency to like Microsoft exclusives more than Playstation.
That is not the topic of this thread right?
How many did they had last 3 years beside kinect ?
It shouldn't be their main concern. They can't win over you, me or the enthusiast crowd, they've already lost us, and all they do by arguing specs is make it more apparent that their machine is considerably weaker.
RedRooster
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Software? Maybe some people can make use of Skype, a more robust digital dist....I'm gonna stop here. There's literally nothing I can say.
SEGAvangelist
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They're probably annoyed with the talk of 30% to 40% greater power when they think it's lower. Trying to argue that in a hostile environment without hard facts is a bad idea, though. At least Albert is laying low for now. Hopefully we get some legit conversation with someone closer to the tech in the coming days.
I have a hard time thinking Albert is just flat out lying, though. Maybe he's being fed poor information, but I just don't understand his motive for bold faced lies. He has nothing to gain. So while I won't just take his words as truth, I'll give him a chance to correct or support/clarify everything he said. If it's all malicious bullshit, though, I may actually think of canceling my pre-order.
entremet
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It won't mean much in the long run. What was the last super powerful system that won the generation?
I think you guys take this too seriously in terms of actual reasons why someone would pick one system over the other.
Boss Man
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10(1.5) + 10(1.5) = 1.5(10 + 10)
"What does this even mean?" Because...math doesn't work the way Penello insinuated.
CassidyIzABeast
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Games?
RedAssedApe
Banned
b3d...yeah i'd trust ars over them
pointing and laughing because they will look the same?
Wishmaster92
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Yes the games. Ms exclusives like Halo.
He was a developer though.
Dreamgazer
Member
Yep. The only right answer.
Although any discussion related to why someone would prefer xbox one or not is still off topic.
dr. apocalipsis
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Enjoy your 20+ pages on Gaf with links to your site.
kkthxbb
When was the last time the most powerful system was the cheapest next to it's competitor? I think you guys take this too serious in terms of actual reasons why someone wouldn't pick one system over the other when comparing prices and power. Brand power means jack.
Actually, yeah. That sounds like a pretty damned good reason. I dare even say the best reason!
As far as I know Cerny has never claimed their system is more powerful. He has just explained how it works. Others have drawn the conclusion that it is higher spec.
I thought MS came out and said they did not attempt to build the most powerful system but went for a broad entertainment play. So what now?
Gold.
Yeah he did. He said multiplatform games will look better on PS4: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=658553
RedRooster
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Pretend PS4 didn't exist. How would this article sound, or would it even exist? Regardless of what any PR spews?
Its all a comparison, every single thread in this forum is a comparison.
As always, never gave a fuck about hardware specifics on a console, sure as hell i won't start now
That's great for you. Still off topic in relation to what the thread is about though.
Nah, Cerny has said multiple times that the PS4 is the most powerful console ever
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