He said "show me your ID or I will arrest you. that is the law". Didn't hear him ask for a name. All he did was repeatedly cut her off with requests to see the ID until finally tackling her to the ground.
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ASU Professor slammed to ground after jaywalking; charged with assaulting officer
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He said "show me your ID or I will arrest you. that is the law". Didn't hear him ask for a name. All he did was repeatedly cut her off with requests to see the ID until finally tackling her to the ground.
I don't think so. Last time I jaywalked,I almost got hit by a car. It would have never came close if I just went to the intersection where there was clearer view with cars not parked on the side.
This lady was dumb and thought she was above the law. She just couldn't handle being told what to do.
Funny enough most of the times I've almost been hit while walking were at crosswalks. Even once by a cop. People intending on making right turns at a red light decided to pull up halfway into the crosswalk instead of stopping at the white line designated for them.
mugurumakensei
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Show me your ID is short for show me your identification. This would be understood to be your driver's license in a vehicle stop or your name and address in all other cases.
terrisus
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Even worse he said "let me see your ID" several times.
MonkeyKing
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"Ma'am, what you did was illegal and I have to issue you a citation. May I see your ID, please"?
Courtesy goes a long way and probably would've avoided this whole scenario. But instead of diplomacy, we get intimidation. As she wasn't cowed, he resorted to force. For a fucking jaywalking ticket.
Squirrel Killer
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Are you calling a request for identification after a law enforcement office just saw someone break the law an "unjust authoritarian action?"
Extra Sauce
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Are you really obligated to provide ID to a cop just because you crossed a campus street? What if you don't have your ID with you?
Public execution, obviously.
I would calmly tell the cop "Sorry, I dont have ID with me" and stop raising my voice at the cop.
This is the kind of thing that people say in hindsight without empathy for the circumstance of the person.
This kind of thing typically happens so fast that it's difficult for anyone that hasn't preconsidered the situation to rationally optimize it. And it's affected by current mood and emotional state of the person.
It's not difficult to imagine anyone been caught in a current state of mind that causes them to act offended at an unreasonable/unfair/unjust even if lawful stoppage.
dutchguyjack
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I'm not sure about the law system in the US, but I know that in the Netherlands it's a requirement to keep some form of ID on you at all times, and when the police asks for it, you have to be able to produce it.
They're quite lenient in practice however, and will generally check with an operator instead if you don't have ID on you. If you do have ID on you and you refuse to produce it however, they can arrest you. Additionally, if you give the wrong name when they're contacting the operator, you can get a fine of $500,-
I don't really see a problem with it. If you break the law, and police approach you about it, they should be able to identify you. Or what if something happens to you, say you're dead in a ditch, and you don't have anything on you to identify you? Considering they're generally not just allowed to open your cellphone due to privacy laws, I can certainly understand the reasoning behind it.
As for this particular instance.. Police was too aggressive and the woman should not have broken the law, and should certainly not have refused to show her identification. If you're accused of something, just do the things they ask, and calmly explain why you feel their accusations are wrong. Her behavior and that of the officers just rubbed off on each other.
boiled goose
good with gravy
Protecting the citizens.
cubicle47b
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This is unrelated to this specific case, but I wish the police would start handing out tickets for people jaywalking across the 4 lane road (40 mph speed limit) on the edge of our campus. We have a pedestrian overpass, but that doesn't stop people from playing Frogger 50 yards away from it. It's ridiculous.
terrisus
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That's some crazy police state you got going on there.
Finally someplace the US can look down and scoff at.
Kidding <3
fallingdove
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Give me a fucking break. We have no idea what the outcome would have been if the woman had been compliant.
A "thank you Maam, I am issuing you a warning. in the future, please use the crosswalk" could have very well been the outcome.
This woman was clearly beligerant - and if you want to talk about wasting tax payer dollars, the professor is to blame - the situation would have been resolved much faster if she had been reasonable and had done what the officer had asked in the first place.
I have seen many situations, personally even, where cops have abused their power. This is not one of those.
Please explain what hurdles are you talking about.
1. The US has more simple rules to obtaining an ID than most of Europe.
2. It is a lower cost to obtain an ID than in nearly all of Europe.
The only proven barrier to obtaining an ID in the U.S, is for people who live in rural areas, who don't have quick access to a DMV.
So in the U.S we allow for more lax rules for obtaining an ID, and it is lower cost for those who are poor in the U.S.
She wasn't arrested because of the Stop and Identify laws in many states. She was arrested for not showing ID after being caught committing an infraction. This is has absolutely nothing to do with Stop and Identify, and those white states on the prior maps wouldn't be any different.
In EVERY U.S state if you are caught committing an infraction, and refuse to show ID you may be arrested and searched, until you your identification can be substantiated.
In EVERY U.S state if you are caught committing an infraction, and refuse to show ID you may be arrested and searched, until you your identification can be substantiated.
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