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Bethesda responds to Prey 2 cancellation
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Messofanego
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I've got a handy tip for Pete Hines if he doesn't want to keep on bringing up the drama. Don't call the new game Prey. Just let Arkane Austin treat it as a System Shock spiritual successor.
Yeah, I think Doom's it for me.
Infinite Justice
Member
Pete Hines spewing PR, news at 11
Still unfortunate what happened to that game after all these years
Still unfortunate what happened to that game after all these years
Did you read IGN article? It actualy questions morals of Bet/Zen more than the quality of the game itself. It feels like you are more upset with not getting another (good?) game rather than greedy publisher intentionally forcing the bancrupcy of the HH and eventually canceling the game and getting away with it while companies like Konami being lynched for the same thing (being amoral cunts and cancelling potentially great game).
Bethesda is the developer of Fallout and Skyrim and has nothing to do with the others. Several people pointed out they pulled Konami-level of bs but you are still eager to vote with your wallet for that. Its like buying Konami games after all that P.T. debacle.
Darkstorne
Member
You'd like them more if they released bad games that didn't live up to the expectations set by their announce trailers? Come on. Games really do get cancelled all the time, even if you're Blizzard, and work on new projects begins in their place. Not everything can work out well all the time.
Wrong. Bethesda GAME STUDIOS develop TES and Fallout. Bethesda SOFTWORKS publishes everything under the Zenimax family umbrella (so DOOM, Wolf, Prey, Dishonored, etc, as well as TES and Fallout). Stop looking for controversy where there's only a simple explanation: game wasn't looking good, game got cancelled. Happens frequently, we just rarely hear about most games that get cancelled because they haven't even been announced yet.
Fallout-NL
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Futurematic
Member
Did you read this thread?
Spring-Loaded
Member
Read the posts I quoted at the top of this page.
Also, the guy you quoted was saying that Bethesda (Game Studios) only developed Fallout and Skyrim whereas Bethesda (Softworks) merely publish the other stuff and weren't the developers of those other games, so they don't deserve all the credit those. He wasn't wrong at all, just didn't name the specific branches of Bethesda.
I don't think he has. Hopefully.
Darkstorne
Member
Yes, and the IGN article from a potentially very biased source. I'm not buying any of it. Greedy evil publisher scenarios are lapped up far too easily by gamers.
Spring-Loaded
Member
If that gut feeling is all it takes to completely dismiss everything from various developers and practices over the last decade and a half, then nothing will shake your trust in that corporation.
Or you work for ZeniMax/Bethesda Softworks, in which case, I ask that you give Hines my regards
Stiler
Member
There's multiple instances of this being reported on top of things like this:
https://www.bluesnews.com/a/268/open-letter-to-bethesda-softworks
I also find it hard to believe. Im sure it has happened in the past 1 or mb a few more times. But if all publishers do this all the time... then its destructive. No developer wants to work with a publisher ever. Its just too hard to believe
Darkstorne
Member
I don't believe a conspiracy theory about buyouts is more likely than a game simply not shaping up to be of high enough quality to justify further investment. If I was in business and asked to invest hundreds of thousands, potentially millions, into a product that wasn't shaping up as hoped, I'd get cold feet and consider pulling the plug too if things didn't turn around quickly.
But sure, if you'd rather create ANOTHER conspiracy theory and assume I must be a Bethesda employee, I guess that fits in with this thread and its believers pretty well.
Lord Phol
Member
Bethesda really are awful with their business practices. Releasing broken games on consoles (knowing how bad it is but not saying a word), hostile takeover tactics and stealing from mods just to name a few things. Coming from the project cd Red thread to this really shows how different companies can be.
thepenguin55
Member
You could buy them second hand. You would have to wait for some kind of GOTY version with all the dlc on disc to get the dlc but yeah. Buying a used copy somewhere keeps Bethesda from getting your money.
Industry veteran Lorne Lanning on hostile takeovers:
Another one from Fargo:
And as for it it being a rumor that Bethesda was looking to acquire studios around 2010-2011, this Games Industry article suggests otherwise.
I wonder who Fargo was referencing here?
Another one from Fargo:
And as for it it being a rumor that Bethesda was looking to acquire studios around 2010-2011, this Games Industry article suggests otherwise.
Honey Bunny
Member
How likely is it that this story is given the attention it deserves by investigative journalists?
How likely is it that Elder Scrolls fans are going to skip the next Elder Scrolls game even if these stories do come out and they're as bad as they seem?
That's why.
It's not really a conspiracy theory when there is precedent and evidence ...
Except we know that the game was shaping up extremely well and very close to being done while we also have evidence of the buyout through milestone abuse. We also have evidence that Bethesda has done this before with other studios.
Maybe it has vagina doors, they're just not ready to show them yet!
Spring-Loaded
Member
^
You have nothing to counter the evidence with aside from "I personally don't believe that would happen." You have no argument aside from equivocal, vague notions of what constitutes a conspiracy theory and baseless skepticism, all in a weak attempt to legitimize your own corporate ball-washing. But Bethesda are bastions for quality control of course!
You'd likely prefer people suspecting you're from Bethesda to the alternative, less flattering conclusion .
ThoseDeafMutes
Member
It's apparently effective. Business people being scum is a time-honoured tradition.
Bethesda made those games by feeding them money. My bad, I meant published, not develop.
Intheflorsh
Banned
Glad this story is getting some attention again, genuinely infuriating stuff.
I think its not impossible at this point to revive Prey 2. Maybe it could be published by another company like True Crime did when it got ditched by Activision. Square changed the name to Sleeping Dogs and it became one of the best open world games. Prey 2 is one of those special gems I don't think deserves to die. It was a poor human mistake to let it go.
Admiral Woofington
Member
I ain't supporting this shit. Prey 2 looked great. This new prey might be interesting but it's not what I fucking wanted.
Keep telling me sweet little lies Bethesda. I ain't buying them
Keep telling me sweet little lies Bethesda. I ain't buying them
I think it was more like an opinion. It's like when Patchter said The Division didn't have potential to sell. The Prey 2 thing is simply did not vibe with the Bethesda guy and he pulled the plug.
I think Bethesda owns all the material that Human Head produced which means it's never coming out. Violation Games released their cancelled Saints Row PSP game for free, Prey 2 was near completion and something like that or rebranding like Sleeping Dogs could have been done if Human Head owned their work.
There have been threads about this in the past, however those threads did not garner enough attention and it gets swept up by the passing of time.
OK, so lets persuade Bethesda. Not likely will it matter, but worth a try. This Prey 2017 title is basically DMC compared to RE4. They should just re-title it Red Shift. Meanwhile Prey 2 gets remastered for PS4, sell it on PSN for half price bundled with original Prey. Now we get a team to work on an official Prey game that ties the stories together while giving us bounty missions mixed with portal warping, no game overs, a Native American protag, and a kickass bar scene in the intro.
I don't think its about being scum. It's just a bad move. It's like how MS gave Peter Moore the say when green lighting Rareware games. The guy only knows Madden, Fifa, and Battlefield from working at EA. What does he know about the actual fanbase that would kill for a new Perfect Dark?
Crimsonclaw111
Member
Bethesda now is better than any of their output from 2003.
ieptbarakat
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It's like if EA bought Valve and used the Half-Life name for their Dead Space series.
You don't think driving a developer (that is faithfully honouring their contract) to bankruptcy isn't scummy?
Not always because it could have been a huge gamble for them and that one choice was made out of fear that they'd risk their own asses. It was a bad move because the game looked promising. With what was marketed already, they could have guaranteed a pretty figure IMO. They probably thought it would have competed too closely with Assassin's Creed and Cod.
I don't blame Konami either for canning Silent Hills because Kojima was not going to work on the project as he violated some type of confidential terms. They already failed to profit off of Downpour, so sourcing out the game would have been another risk. There are probably mostly great people at Konami as a whole. There are only a few bad eggs that frivolously create the bad image for the rest of the company.
Tbf this criticism about Prey 2017 being a Prey game only in name and being more of an offshoot, also applied to Human Head's Prey 2.
They could probaby hire a team to finish the job so as to release the game (like gearbox's Duke Nuken Forever) and under a different name so that it does not conflicts with their Prey 2017 game but I doubt they will do it.