Yup, all those people buying Skyrim on PS3 were very happy with it and recommended it to all their friends!
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Bethesda: "The time for convincing pubs and devs to support Wii U has long past"
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Yup, all those people buying Skyrim on PS3 were very happy with it and recommended it to all their friends!
heh
RagingAvatar
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I wasn't saying they should bring exclusives to Wii U - obviously that wouldn't make sense. But the industry doesn't benefit from third parties watching Wii U sinking into the sand - it really doesn't benefit anyone.
When publishers start crying in 5 years time because everything is being bought through Steam, or through iTunes or Google Play they'll only have themselves to blame.
There's no need to do this. The Legendary patch did in fact patch a ton of bugs, but this is also part and parcel of having an open-ended game. You have so many moving parts, it's just a mathematical reality that some wheels will fall off.
Bethseda deserves all the crap they get.
I get that Nintendo doesn't want to compete on the tech front anymore, but multiplatform developers simply don't make very many exclusive games anymore.
And coming out with a machine that has the gaming capability barely above the 360/PS3 and behind PC capability by at least 5 years while simultaneously having a "not as easy architecture" as the other next gen powerful machines and expecting third parties to shit out exclusive content for a system that is not selling or to port next-gen games backwards by 5 years of tech to try to squeeze next gen games into your system....
It's just a recipe for disaster IMO. And the fact that Nintendo has never really been strong in their relationships with third parties only exacerbates the issue as Bethesda highlighted. Microsoft and Sony talk to them. Other developers have had similar stories of "Nintendo just doesn't talk to us much".
And coming out with a machine that has the gaming capability barely above the 360/PS3 and behind PC capability by at least 5 years while simultaneously having a "not as easy architecture" as the other next gen powerful machines and expecting third parties to shit out exclusive content for a system that is not selling or to port next-gen games backwards by 5 years of tech to try to squeeze next gen games into your system....
It's just a recipe for disaster IMO. And the fact that Nintendo has never really been strong in their relationships with third parties only exacerbates the issue as Bethesda highlighted. Microsoft and Sony talk to them. Other developers have had similar stories of "Nintendo just doesn't talk to us much".
Shin Johnpv
Member
3rd parties on Wii U before and just after launch: We need to wait to see how it sells before we can put any games on it.
3rd parties 10 months later on Wii U: We weren't there from the beginning so there's no point in supporting the Wii U now.
3rd parties 10 months later on Wii U: We weren't there from the beginning so there's no point in supporting the Wii U now.
FreedomFighter
Member
Way to change the subject after your initial statement backfired on you... (nice one Nibel).
Well they are being rational with the wiiU tight now. So you need to give them credit there.
But no one is saying that publishers or developers are always right. They do however have basic structures of decision making they follow even if the conclusions they come to and the subsequent action and result ends up being a failure. Putting a lot of effort into a poor selling console with a sketchy historical success rate with a company that does the bare minimum to attract your business and establish a consumer base that is receptive to your business strategies, models and recent creative output isn't exactly sound business.
I'm sure Sony did approach them. Must be the reason why Bethesda managed the split memory pool of the PS3 so well when compared to other developers
Katana_Strikes
Member
Next time on... Bethesda not supporting Wii U; We're not releasing anything for Wii U!
Hardware specs should never stop developers from being creative. What these developers fail to understand is they don't need to make the same games that are on competing platforms. Actually it's one of the main problems in the business to begin with. Publishers have stopped taking risks with developing original content based on a platforms strengths.
Could it be a cultural thing? I don't see how they can do so well on Japanese devs on handhelds but so bad at consoles on the whole. Is it a lack of serious opposition in the handheld space?
Well we all know the disaster PS3 was early on and the architectural issues it has. I wouldn't be surprised Sony didn't approach them or if they did thought they knew better. We can see how that turned out. Hence why Sony keeps on reiterating how much they talked with 3rd parties for the PS4 launch. They make a big show of how they are learning from the mistakes of the PS3
It also makes less sense to bury millions and millions of dollars and the oppurtunity costs that go with it to try and prop up a failing platform that based on recent trends does not contain many unique supporters that will A.) buy their games and B.) would not and do not plan to buy them on another platform if the wiiU version doesn't exist.
It's chasing good money after bad and its a quick way to lose your job. And I'm not sure why supporting Nintendo is magically going to stop the overall market trends in gaming. Not to mention lots of companies big and small are doing incredible in this market. How many iOS developers have hit it big thanks to the medium in just the last 5 years? How many indies has steam vaulted to stardom? Xbla or psn?
I think you are way overvaluing Nintendo's effect on publishers success. In fact I'm not sure how you even conclude tht Nintendo's existence is deeply helping them in the first place? The DS maybe?
To be fair they seem quite competent of failing their vision on the other two consoles. In fact I'd go as far as to say their games only really get great when left in modders hands for about a year.
Ultra Magnus
Member
Yeah what I got from this article was him saying that if Nintendo is not willing to moneyhat these developers then support on the Wii U is a no go
Interceptor
Banned
I don´t get it. Is Bethesda working on a Wii U title?
Well we knew they weren't going to develop for the Wii U already. What's new is the detail he went into though, about how they want to be involved in the design of the console. Nintendo needs to get in touch with devs when creating the console instead of having the Wii U made, and then trying to show them how revolutionary it is.
When your console is developer approved, there's no more questions of if you'll be able to run the game, if they'll try supporting your consoles, and if you'll be getting multiplats. Nintendo is out of touch with developers and they need to fix this.
When your console is developer approved, there's no more questions of if you'll be able to run the game, if they'll try supporting your consoles, and if you'll be getting multiplats. Nintendo is out of touch with developers and they need to fix this.
Ninja Scooter
Member
It's not money hatting, it's getting them involved in the process. Getting to them early on. Sony and MS both do this. They both question 3rd party pubs and devs and take their opinions into account when creating a new piece of hardware because, surprise surprise motherfuckers, third parties are kind of important. This leads to things like an improved Dual Shock 4, which came about thanks to input from both 2nd and 3rd party developers. Do you think Nintendo would ever listen to an outside opinion on how to design the GamePad? Like Hines said, they just put out the box and expect everyone to create games for it like it's still 1993.
That was brilliant. He wasn't a dick about it, he was just honest about his experiences. From what he said it seems Nintendo does their own thing and then basically say "He's what we're doing. Make games for it if you want.". Nintendo's hubris is their own worst enemy and has been since the NES with Nintendo slowly losing market share in the home console space (Wii being the exception due to Nintendo having to go for a different market or being essentially fucked).
It seems with Wii U they just decided to do their idea of a "core gaming machine" and just expected third parties to jump on board due to their success with the Wii. We know their tools and APIs were pretty shoddy until just before or after the Wii U's release.
I actually hope Ubisoft and Warner abandon the platform too. It'd be nice to see Nintendo struggle as essentially first party only.
It seems with Wii U they just decided to do their idea of a "core gaming machine" and just expected third parties to jump on board due to their success with the Wii. We know their tools and APIs were pretty shoddy until just before or after the Wii U's release.
I actually hope Ubisoft and Warner abandon the platform too. It'd be nice to see Nintendo struggle as essentially first party only.
Is this supposed to be a bad outcome? Lol.
Aaron Strife
Banned
Not that Nintendo doesn't have a third party problem, but when the fuck has Bethesda ever supported a Nintendo console?
Ninja Scooter
Member
If his quote wasn't butchered in the OP, you'd see that the quote and context of what he was saying is now about Bethseda turning around and supporting Wii U.
RagingAvatar
Member
Sorry but this is a load of nonsense.
How many iOS developers have hit it big? Not many in contrast to how many fold.
How many great AAA+ game developers are floundering right now because the money is shifting away from home consoles and towards mobile, browser and crowd funding? A lot.
I'm not saying Nintendo should be helped because they're Nintendo. When everyone was bemoaning Microsoft and saying "Yeah! Screw Xbone! I hope they fail and burn!" before the 180, I was trying to point out to my colleagues and friends that that wouldn't be a good thing.
At the end of the day, any gamer who loves games should want to see Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo thrive - because that's how we're going to see great games made.
If we get to the point where gaming is just bang,bang,shooty,shooty and Angry Birds - then I'm out.
Interceptor
Banned
If you want to earn some money with your games - yes. If you are the owner of the platform obviously not.
RagingAvatar
Member
That all depends on whether you like any IPs owned by any big publishers really..
SporeCrawler
Member
So 1. bethesda owns all devs and pubs now and 2. A company cant get support even if they improve because they havent done so in the past?
Petalpusher
Banned
PS360 had their life already, they are old consoles, soon to be replaced. What Bethesda mean, is that they have to move on, with their gamedesign, technology, etc..
Some would argue it's not all about pure hardware, but not much big studios think otherwise nowadays.
For them WiiU is a previous gen console. It sounds sad, but maybe they arent all trolling, this may be a fact. And WiiU doesn't bring anything to reconsider it.
It's the story of videogame, moving on.
Ninja Scooter
Member
At some point it will become too little/too late. As time goes by and the Wii U continues to sell like hot garbage publishers are going to be less and less willing to invest in it, even if Nintendo comes around and starts courting them. The time to court them is pre-launch. That's what this guy is saying.
It'll happen right around the time that 360/PS3 development ends. Budgets are going to get bigger, and making a Wii U version will be pretty much out of the question.
Yup and you can't blame the developers/publishers that feel this way.
When two platform holders make it clear they need you/will support you in any way they can/consult you while building their platforms and then Nintendo never even picks up the phone what do you expect?
I love Nintendo but I have no sympathy for them on this issue. I don't know whether it's pride, arrogance or just ignorance but they would serve themselves well to change the way they interact with the rest of the industry.
When two platform holders make it clear they need you/will support you in any way they can/consult you while building their platforms and then Nintendo never even picks up the phone what do you expect?
I love Nintendo but I have no sympathy for them on this issue. I don't know whether it's pride, arrogance or just ignorance but they would serve themselves well to change the way they interact with the rest of the industry.
peanutbutterlatte
Member
What a stupid thing to hope for.
Gemüsepizza
Member
To be fair not even the best dev on this planet could get a nextgen Fallout / Elder Scrolls to run on this crappy hardware.
Then Nintendo deserves the same for creating such an unappealing, low-specced console.
SporeCrawler
Member
I am not saying its wrong but we had a few consoles that did not sell gangbusters day one but did better over time (ps3, 3DS)
But they did support PS3 even though they were not on PS2
Miles Quaritch
Member
How is that even possible? It's been less than a year. This sounds more like everyone had already made their minds up and are now attempting to justify not supporting the U.
Ridiculous.
Ridiculous.
Nintendo is screwed no matter what. Granted, they put themselves in the position they're in now but there was probably nothing they could do to get third party pubs onto the Wii-U. Even if they had done a true next-gen console, plenty of pubs would still decline to participate probably, choosing Sony or Microsoft instead.
He's right. Time for convincing is over. Now there's only regret left.
I agree, but it is sort of a strange comment. In the case of the Wii, Nintendo didn't really collaborate with very many third parties, it went on to sell insanely well, and most third parties (including Bethesda) still did not support it well. In this case, the Wii U did not go on to sell extremely well, so there is even less incentive.
This is interesting to me. I guess the key to having third party support is to work with developers before your console comes out so that they invest a lot in building games for the platform and can't easily switch.
If you think about it, say the Wii U started to take off Jan 1, 2014. Like selling on pace with the Wii. By the time anyone got games out, it would be 2 to 3 years later! Kinda late.
This is interesting to me. I guess the key to having third party support is to work with developers before your console comes out so that they invest a lot in building games for the platform and can't easily switch.
If you think about it, say the Wii U started to take off Jan 1, 2014. Like selling on pace with the Wii. By the time anyone got games out, it would be 2 to 3 years later! Kinda late.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Ninja Scooter
Member
Wii U is in another stratosphere in terms of bad sales. A comparison to PS3 or 3DS is pretty disingenuous. On top of that, the circumstances were different. PS3 was launching alongside Xbox360, which meant publishers were going to have a steady stream of games to port over.