There is a huge difference between an expansion and a sequel. Different characters, setting, story etc just because a smidge of the gameplay is similar does not make it an expansion pack. Thats like saying battlefield 4 is just an expansion of cod modern warfare because the basic premise is the same and some of the gameplay is similar.
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Bloodborne Producer: Targeting 30fps for "Game Design" purposes
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Papacheeks
Banned
Can I honestly ask, why everyone is so up in arms with developer's who make games for a living, about them using 30fps? Because I have played The last of Us on both PS3 and PS4. But I didn't feel my experience with 30 vs 60 in the game hindered my enjoyment of characters, story or gameplay.
If seriously 60fps was really that big of a deal to every single game and every single developer then we would have 60fps games on consoles 24/7.
It's a decision to make what you can make with the hardware and tools given to you on a closed platform.
A good example is look at the New Call of Duty, there's a definite disparity between the Single player trailer, and multiplayer trailer in terms of image quality, and graphics.
Sacrifices had to be made for Multiplayer to hit that 60fps.
Same goes for any other developer, we are getting great games like Sunset overdrive which I believe is 30fps. Yet it's getting praised.
So it looks like a game can still be great with out 60fps.
This goes for Bloodborne, Witcher 3(PS4,XBONX), Uncharted 4, and probably Halo 5 singleplayer.
If seriously 60fps was really that big of a deal to every single game and every single developer then we would have 60fps games on consoles 24/7.
It's a decision to make what you can make with the hardware and tools given to you on a closed platform.
A good example is look at the New Call of Duty, there's a definite disparity between the Single player trailer, and multiplayer trailer in terms of image quality, and graphics.
Sacrifices had to be made for Multiplayer to hit that 60fps.
Same goes for any other developer, we are getting great games like Sunset overdrive which I believe is 30fps. Yet it's getting praised.
So it looks like a game can still be great with out 60fps.
This goes for Bloodborne, Witcher 3(PS4,XBONX), Uncharted 4, and probably Halo 5 singleplayer.
Discussing framerates reminds me of the time when people discussed bits during the great bit wars. Ah cycles...
I don't really care as long as the frames stay at 30 and don't noticeably drop like they did in Demon's and Dark Souls. I've never been able to see the difference even after playing 60fps games on PCs.
I don't really care as long as the frames stay at 30 and don't noticeably drop like they did in Demon's and Dark Souls. I've never been able to see the difference even after playing 60fps games on PCs.
The framerate of his last game isn't much better.
Its not a big deal. Most people would be ok with 30fps. Its the bullshit they try to sell to justify the 30fps that people are pissed off at. Yes games are acceptable at 30fps but dont try and tell me 30fps is better than 60fps because of the cinematic feel, thats just bullshit.
I learned something today.
The origins of the phrase, 'Blowing smoke up one's ass.' I never knew it was so literal. Once upon a time CPR wasn't all the choosy. There was little distinction to be made between the ass and mouth. Heat was also favored when returning vigor to a victim. Richard Mead put two and two together and proposed using tobacco smoke enemas to aid persons in respiratory distress.
When someone blows smoke up your ass you should thank them and then politely decline. They're trying to save your life, but modern science has dismissed the efficacy of colon based resuscitation. Modern science has refined the enema for more useful purposes such as 'butt-chugging' but that is a topic for another day.
The origins of the phrase, 'Blowing smoke up one's ass.' I never knew it was so literal. Once upon a time CPR wasn't all the choosy. There was little distinction to be made between the ass and mouth. Heat was also favored when returning vigor to a victim. Richard Mead put two and two together and proposed using tobacco smoke enemas to aid persons in respiratory distress.
When someone blows smoke up your ass you should thank them and then politely decline. They're trying to save your life, but modern science has dismissed the efficacy of colon based resuscitation. Modern science has refined the enema for more useful purposes such as 'butt-chugging' but that is a topic for another day.
DoubleTake
Member
Yes we have. Just because the game doesnt have those crazy, sometimes jarring locale differences does not mean it wil all take place in the city and that its the only place we'll visit. Bloodborne is simply going for a much more consistent tone than previous souls games so that drasticly differing aesthetics may not be there like in the past.
Also theyve confirmed that there are different armors, weapons and everything just like in the previous games. All we've seen is a pre built character for demos. That doesnt automatically mean that its a set character we're playing with.
I suggest you reaearch a bit more because all this is known info.
ProfessorMoran
Member
1080p 30fps?
I'm OK with this.
I'm OK with this.
Banana Aeon
Member
Demon's has several drops to single digits, and Blighttown and Lost Izalith stutter in the low teens.
New Londo is pretty bad too.
I'll compare to my favorite series, Metal Gear Solid. I'd consider MGS3 an expansion pack. 1, 2, and 4 are all in different generations and each brings something new to the table, so much so that passing them it off order is unsavory. MGS3 is one of the greatest games of all time, but I'd be lying if I said it wasn't an iterative work. Yes they pulled it off, and yes it was worth full price, but if it didn't completely change the way you played, different camera system, camo system, cqc, healing, "open world", I probably wouldn't crown it.
And again, not trying to say Bloodborne is bad, I was planning on getting it for coop till this dumb statement, as I wrongfully assumed they'd be going for a higher frame rate.
DoubleTake
Member
On topic. Yea dumb statement he made. Seems like alot of devs say this stuff without thinking first.
Tbh I just want the game to hold 30fps consistently. Which is something From tends to struggle with on console. If they pull that off im not complaining.
Tbh I just want the game to hold 30fps consistently. Which is something From tends to struggle with on console. If they pull that off im not complaining.
publicpwnerer
Member
They're spouting some PR shit to cover the fact that their target level of visual fidelity requires them to lock it to 30. The vast majority of Dark Souls / Demon Souls players here played it at 30 FPS on console...so why are people losing their shit?
You can't have the visuals ANND 60 FPS. That's reserved for MGS V. Kojima's back with a (re)vengeance, giving the middle finger to everyone this gen.
You can't have the visuals ANND 60 FPS. That's reserved for MGS V. Kojima's back with a (re)vengeance, giving the middle finger to everyone this gen.
WTF
Green Biker Dude
Banned
because in action games gameplay takes precedence over graphics. and 60fps results in better gameplay, so that takes priority. no ifs or buts
DoubleTake
Member
You're kidding right? Im quite sure your in the minority on this opinion.
Well in that case... That's your definition of an expansion pack and pretty much no one else's.
Banana Aeon
Member
I haven't played Dark Souls on consoles in forever. I think I do remember New Londo being awful.
It's because they are lying to us, and that's no good.
I cant tell if you're being serious or not. If you are then thats fine you are completely entitled to your wrong opinion.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Again, you guys are making it sound like it's a full negative. The only potential negative is that it could've been even radically more different, and we're missing out on that.
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Right... Right. Nothing to do with resolution being less demanding on the hardware than going for doubling the framerate and that there are quite a few 1080p 60fps titles on PS4.
NoctisVsStar
Member
publicpwnerer
Member
But if 30FPS was okay before, what's changed? (I'm referring to the console version, as that's where the majority of the sales are).
The only thing that's changed from then till now, is framerate and resolution have become buzzwords.
Well no one (well, not many people) had anything to say about that until this FROM employee came up with this bullshit.
AstroNut325
Member
What are the chances we see dips to 12 FPS during gameplay?
I really wish Sony would have a core engine team for their first party titles.
I really wish Sony would have a core engine team for their first party titles.
Hero_of_the_Day
Member
Mario Bros 3 was the greatest expansion of all time. I just want you all to know that.
Im starting to think you're serious, which is making me concerned for your wellbeing. An expansion is adding something to an existing game a sequel is making a new entry in the series.
I dont really want to continue telling you how wrong you are though because its derailing an already bonkers thread.
Bloodborne is 2nd party though.
ThoseDeafMutes
Member
Well I'm pretty sure the demo dropped that low so it's possible.
prag16
Banned
Please tell me you're joking.
KCroxtonJr
Member
at least he didn't say because it makes it more cinematic....lol
It didn't in the TGS demo though. Alpha build must have been quite old.
Fbh
Member
I couldn't care less about 60 fps. I honestly preffer console developers focusing on 30fps except in some very specific game types.
But this PR stuff is allways annoying.
They should just be honest and say they are going for 30 fps in order to have more resources for other stuff.
But this "we feel 30fps is better for this experience" is just BS
Hero_of_the_Day
Member
This is every sane persons attitude. The vast majority of console gamers are fine with it, it's bullshitting about something no one requires an explanation about any way. It's like being a little kid and lying to your parents about something you wouldn't get in trouble for any way.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Developers should stop giving the same excuses that are blatant lies.
Yeah I'm not sure which version I played yesterday but the framerate when fighting the boss was extremely bad. Like, it really affected the gameplay.
bruh
The reason this thread is exploding is because the statement adds insult to injury.
Higher framerates are better. Anyone who disagrees is factually incorrect. The same is true of resolution. That doesn't mean developers shouldn't make compromises when necessary, and a solid 30fps is what most people were expecting from Bloodborne.
Developers who try to spin their compromises as artistic decisions are lying. And the sad thing is, the people who care about frames per second in the first place are the exact people who won't be fooled by this nonsense. All statements like this do is insult the fans they're aimed at.
The number of developers and publishers who put out statements like this is mind-blowing. From "the feel of 60fps" last gen to this most recent example...I don't understand why this particular meme hadsn't quietly faded from existence.
I'll play this shit at 15fps as long as they fix the fucking camera. It was basically a colonoscopy for the boss at times in the alpha. Unplayable shit.
WickedLaharl
Member
It looks nothing like an xpac and if you are so sure that it does please provide some pics to back up your absurd claim.