Or for Souls games in general really. Would love to know myself. There's a lot of stuff going on in these worlds and they are not short games with a handful of zones.
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Bloodborne sold through more than 1 million units worldwide as of April 5
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Or for Souls games in general really. Would love to know myself. There's a lot of stuff going on in these worlds and they are not short games with a handful of zones.
I would assume around $20-30 mil.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
Not sure, but I bet it was profitable already or will be very soon.
I think so too but a lot of people keep assuming they cost fuck all to make for some reason.
Well to be far 20 mill isn't that much these days anyway, but ever since I heard the insane costs of small double fine games I never know what games cost these days
JumpJeff84
Member
Great fucking news, such a great game
It is assumed they are comparatively cheap to make because they lack FMV and ingame cutscenes. There isn't a lot of voice acting going on either. Heck, dialog isn't even lip synced in FROM games.
manipulate
Member
In terms of raw assets BB would have more than the previous games combined. I imagien it would have had a wayyy higher budget than DeS/DS/DS2
I think you can judge a game's budget on the size of its team, and From are a relatively small studio comparatively speaking. The fact that the president and director are one and the same is a pretty telling sign right off the bat. As for Sony's side, they use their business nous and production capabilities with external developers and thus don't commit many (if any at all) of their own programmers and designers.
firebranded
Member
A lot of that is Schafer's mismanagement and things that they don't really need (I like Elijah wood but don't need a celebrity VA, especially not for a ks game.....)
I think they might be cheap compared to others which shows how well they work considering the cost of Japanese development and the breadth of the "Souls" games themselves.
TheWorthyEdge
Member
Just read this. Awesome news and well-deserved.
That's way too high, UC3's budget was 20m, & that game's production value dwarves Bloodborne.
I don't think the game's budget is higher than 10m, 15m tops.
Manmademan
Member
Probably because demons souls was known to be extremely cheap to develop. That game was targeted to be "profitable" with 175k sales in the US. (that number is from memory so not exact, don't sue me) a million WW was far beyond anyone's expectations.
BB is obviously a more expensive game, but there's no way it's anywhere close to 20M. That would put it up there with the Uncharted games, as someone else said.
Who are SuperData? Any credibility?
http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/bloodborne-has-sold-155k-digital-units-worldwide-superdata-claims/0148096
John Bender
Banned
SatelliteOfLove
Member
Do what I do and use Bing.
Sticky White Stuff!
Try holding with both hands.
Reallink
Member
Darksiders 2 was 80 million USD.
joostvandreunen
Superdata
Here's SuperData's CEO explaining their methodology:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=153692924#post153692924
Well according to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_Software they have 230 employees(the source for this information is cited), and have at least 2 teams at any given time. So about 100 people per team(maybe less depending on how many of their employees have nothing to do with game dev), which isn't exactly tiny(not huge either, but still).
lowhighkang_LHK
Member
Development budgets for Japanese games tend to be much smaller than their US counterparts on games in similar genres.
I imagine this is due to a lot of reasons, primarily due to smaller development teams that focus more on gameplay mechanics and tools, rather than the use of expensive marketing, hiring celebrity voice actors, inclusion of CG and FMV sequences, an increased focus on tech and visuals.
Bloodborne is a game where all of it's development budget went into game design and the creation of the game's many environments. Other than that intro CG, was also doubled up as a primary marketing tool, there was nothing in the game that had any superfluous costs that was outside actual game design.
The graphics engine also seemed heavily re-used. Not to mention many animations as well.
Also, games that aren't planned properly can see their development costs drastically increase. To be perfectly honest, there was nothing about Darksiders 2, as for as the game was concerned (not too sure if it includes marketing costs) that made me think this was an 80 million dollar game.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
Good to see a game like this getting a similar amount of sales as Infamous did a year ago. Anecdotally speaking, only Destiny beats Bloodborne when it comes to how many of my PSN friends are playing the same game. That's about a fourth of the PSN friends I have.
You must only add real friends. I have around 220 and so far about 68 have played Bloodborne. Pretty amazing.
Darksider 2 was way too bloated and mismanaged by default since THQ, not to mention it came out on 4 platforms.
Also, UC2 had a $20 mil budget, not UC3. I think ~$20 mil is realistic for Bloodborne.
Daphnes Nohansen Hyrule
Member
so
bloodborne > the order
bloodborne > the order
MR ARCADE FOREVER
Member
Basically gameplay > graphics
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
Seriously!? How is that even possible
Stone Ocean
Member
Marketing, perhaps?
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
Still pretty nuts, I mean Halo 4 cost only around 40 million to develop.
Melchiah
Member
Mostly yes, although I have few Gaffers from the Mass Effect 3 times there, and few friends of a friend from the Destiny times.
Halo 4 was exclusive but Darksiders 2 was available on all systems during that period of time. Even Wii U =P
Still finding it hard to see those numbers.
-tetsuo-
Unlimited Capacity
Does it?
The Last Wizard
Member
That counter is broke a lot of the time.Good to see a game like this getting a similar amount of sales as Infamous did a year ago. Anecdotally speaking, only Destiny beats Bloodborne when it comes to how many of my PSN friends are playing the same game. That's about a fourth of the PSN friends I have.
Why? Darksiders 2 was very bloated because they tried to make it massive in all aspects (locations, weapons, armors, enemies, etc.) compared to the original and also launched on 4 different plataforms. They also pushed the game hard.
The fact that the last 2 worlds of the game are shorter and shallower than the previous areas, meaning that even with that budget they STILL needed more time and money, is the mind blowing thing.
Also the budget for Darksiders 2 was 50 Million, not 80 =P
So assuming that that Superdata number is true, we can then estimate how much money Bloodborne has made Sony, using this:
For the sake of not overcomplicating things, I'm going to exclude collectors editions and am also going to use the US dollar as the only currency.
Using this we get about $38.03 million in money for Sony from these 1 million units sold. Counting collectors editions and accounting for the different currencies would probably make the number even larger.
Bloodborne may very well already be profitable.
For the sake of not overcomplicating things, I'm going to exclude collectors editions and am also going to use the US dollar as the only currency.
Using this we get about $38.03 million in money for Sony from these 1 million units sold. Counting collectors editions and accounting for the different currencies would probably make the number even larger.
Bloodborne may very well already be profitable.
Melchiah
Member
I'd imagine it doesn't show people, who don't have the game. If it did, it would be completely pointless. My PSN feed has also been filled with people playing BB, and that has only happened for me when Destiny was released.
So assuming that that Superdata number is true, we can then estimate how much money Bloodborne has made Sony, using this:
For the sake of not overcomplicating things, I'm going to exclude collectors editions and am also going to use the US dollar as the only currency.
Using this we get about $38.03 million in money for Sony from these 1 million units sold. Counting collectors editions and accounting for the different currencies would probably make the number even larger.
Bloodborne may very well already be profitable.
You're also ignoring the digital side of things where the retailer is sony, there's neglible distribution cost, and there are no returns. If superdata is to be believed that's a little less than 20% of sales.
SolidSnakex
Member
I didn't ignore that. I calculated 155k at $60 and 845k at $34.
So assuming that that Superdata number is true, we can then estimate how much money Bloodborne has made Sony, using this:
For the sake of not overcomplicating things, I'm going to exclude collectors editions and am also going to use the US dollar as the only currency.
Using this we get about $38.03 million in money for Sony from these 1 million units sold. Counting collectors editions and accounting for the different currencies would probably make the number even larger.
Bloodborne may very well already be profitable.
That graph is completely inaccurate, retailer margins are too high, platform royalty is too low (it should be about twice the number in that graph).
lowhighkang_LHK
Member
So we're assuming 20% of a game's physical sales is digital?
And that's for standard affairs right? I assume things would be skewed on the digital side if there was a price benefit.
And that's for standard affairs right? I assume things would be skewed on the digital side if there was a price benefit.
PoweredByHentai
Member
Um, yeah?
All that scripted unique animation work and high quality action/production ain't cheap. This a surprise?
Triggerhappytel
Member
Uncharted 2's budget being so low compared to how lavish and how much content the game has is absolutely an anomaly, not the standard.
Really?! Holy shit, that's crazy. Do you have a link?
Okay, $50 million makes more sense, with another $30 million in marketing. Still kind of crazy considering the first wasn't a particularly notable success, and with these kind of figures THQ would have to sell about 3 million copies in order to make a profit.
John Bender
Banned
So, according to our NPD thread:
BLOODBORNE sold through ~390K copies in North-America as of April 5th.
(retail only / no digital sales)
So for 13 days (if you count the two sundays, too): ~390K
HELL YES!
BLOODBORNE sold through ~390K copies in North-America as of April 5th.
(retail only / no digital sales)
So for 13 days (if you count the two sundays, too): ~390K
HELL YES!
Reallink
Member
The total cost of Darksiders 2 was pegged at 78.7 million dollars according to THQ's bankruptcy filings. The (0.5) denotes a half million dollar loss on earnings of 78.2 million for the game. Either Nordic was not aware of or privy to the actual budgeting, or 50 Million was strictly the development budget with an additional ~30 million being marketing. Either scenario is completely bonkers.