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#DarkSoulsDowngrade and #YOULIED \\ a.k.a You got some splainin' to do, Namco
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UnrealEck
Member
I've been playing the game on PS3 and I can say that the torch stonces are still around various areas. Actually quite a lot of them in the game. The thing is, on PS3 you don't need to light them as it's easy enough to see around. With that said, I'm sure that if people wanted the dark mechanic back in the game, it's going to be modifiable to change how dark the dull areas are. That is of course if it's not already still in the PC version.
As for the general look of the game, it's clear this game will look a lot better with just a resolution bump. The geometry, textures, shadows all look like they will benefit from just an increase in resolution.
As for the general look of the game, it's clear this game will look a lot better with just a resolution bump. The geometry, textures, shadows all look like they will benefit from just an increase in resolution.
GreatestHits
Member
Alright. I know the PS4 version is inevitable, and the PC will be modded to match if needed. I feel really, really scammed paying $64 for this yesterday. I'm trading it in ant best buy as they are offering $38 in-store credit and I don't do ebay.
I really hope they get some sort of message out of this, but I'm really just trying to reconcile right now. I love the gameplay but I have wayyyyyyyyyyy too many games to play to play a shit version of this game right now.
I really hope they get some sort of message out of this, but I'm really just trying to reconcile right now. I love the gameplay but I have wayyyyyyyyyyy too many games to play to play a shit version of this game right now.
Forceatowulf
G***n S**n*bi
A PS4 version with all the bells and whistles of the original footage and in 1080p @60 FPS? I'd buy that for a dollar. Hell, I'd buy it for 60 dollars.
I'm just glad I saw the original downgrade thread before I paid my pre-order off in full (now I have 5 dollars store credit I can use on Infamous). Fuck a bullet, I dodged a missile on that one. Thank you based GAF. This website does what "journalists" in this industry have no integrity to do. <3
I'm just glad I saw the original downgrade thread before I paid my pre-order off in full (now I have 5 dollars store credit I can use on Infamous). Fuck a bullet, I dodged a missile on that one. Thank you based GAF. This website does what "journalists" in this industry have no integrity to do. <3
So uh, is the enemy despawn a bug? I hope it is. I really loved the challenge of the first game, and it is still present here...but enemies not coming back after killing them an x amount of times is really lame. Oh, and having the warp function from the start is kind of lame too, it kills a lot of the sense of traveling.
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I really love the game though. I will know if I like it better than DaS1 once I beat it.
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I really love the game though. I will know if I like it better than DaS1 once I beat it.
So uh, is the enemy despawn a bug? I hope it is. I really loved the challenge of the first game, and it is still present here...but enemies not coming back after killing them an x amount of times is really lame. Oh, and having the warp function from the start is kind of lame too, it kills a lot of the sense of traveling.
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I really love the game though. I will know if I like it better than DaS1 once I beat it.
It isn't a bug. But, there is
an item which makes them respawn and puts them on NG+ difficulty values.
Thank you, I will be on the lookout for it.
I thought the despawn was there to keep people from farming/make you feel bad for being inadequate.
vpance
Member
Do they at least have some lore behind why they despawn? Or is it just a gamey thing.
Comfort Jones
Banned
This is a good point, but I think it would be pretty weird and jarring for the pc version to play any differently because of changed lighting. Honestly I hope the textures and effects are improved but I'm not even sorta expecting/holding out hope for those incredibly dark areas to return.
But do those new spawns then follow the despawn rule or are they there forever?
Metroid-Squadron
Banned
Alternatively, the PC version shown in the TGS trailer is also a vertical slice. The level layout, enemy placement and environment texturing are the same as the PS3 TGS build.
Are people still defending this shit? This is so fucking wrong...
That was exactly my reaction when I first saw the downgrades in a livestream.
Lucent
Member
Have you been to
The Gutter
I can see what people mean about some enemies that would normally be hidden if the place was as dark as intended, but yeah. The game still looks pretty awesome when you do light up a torch. The shadows before the middle build looked a little too erratic to me.
The other lighting effects, like we saw in the area with the big dragon skeleton and the hallway that was supposed to have a lot of pictures, and the bridge that was supposed to be surrounded by dragons, yeah the lack of those is disappointing. But I don't feel like I would've dodged a bullet if I missed out on the game. I'm liking it (despite some annoying areas).
If they do somehow reintroduce the features on PS4, I'll double dip for that.
CountAntonius
Member
I thimk you are letting the negativety get to you. I don't think I've seen many people call it a shit version. There is still plenty of fun too be had without without fancy lighting.Alright. I know the PS4 version is inevitable, and the PC will be modded to match if needed. I feel really, really scammed paying $64 for this yesterday. I'm trading it in ant best buy as they are offering $38 in-store credit and I don't do ebay.
I really hope they get some sort of message out of this, but I'm really just trying to reconcile right now. I love the gameplay but I have wayyyyyyyyyyy too many games to play to play a shit version of this game right now.
Lucent
Member
Yeah this. I seriously don't think this looks any worse than the first Dark Souls. I don't remember the original having any crazy lighting. So if you can't play it because you think it looks bad because it doesn't have all the lighting features, how did you play the other Dark Souls?
Don't get me wrong, NamcoBandai/From Software should've made it more clear that the game changed in terms of lighting from the previous builds, but I just think depriving yourself of a Souls game is going a bit far.
They follow the despawn rule. Everytime you reset the counter it's similar to playing on New Game+, enemies in that area become harder.
I played DS on my old ass Intel HD 3000, got a solid 20fps at 720p. Your laptop will probably run it fine.
GreatestHits
Member
If I were in a game drought I'd put up with it. But I'm not, and that GIF is what got to me. I see Dark souls 1 in example 1 (not exactly, but way closer than the final build), I see shit in the other. Can't unsee. Other people's opinions do not matter to me at all. It's the comparison that did it. Booting the game and finding a crappy framerate all over the place didn't help either :/
AwakenedCloud
Member
Wasn't the gamey thing letting them respawn in the first place? Was that explained in the lore?
Alright. I know the PS4 version is inevitable, and the PC will be modded to match if needed. I feel really, really scammed paying $64 for this yesterday. I'm trading it in ant best buy as they are offering $38 in-store credit and I don't do ebay.
I really hope they get some sort of message out of this, but I'm really just trying to reconcile right now. I love the gameplay but I have wayyyyyyyyyyy too many games to play to play a shit version of this game right now.
I don't get why you guys think the ps4 version is "Inevitable" Don't hold on to that. The PS4 base is low(barely 6 million) and the game is quite niche. They already stated many times they had no plans to release on next gen too on just about any interview.
Best thing for you is to sell your copy for 38$ and buy it on pc for 40$ ready to play april 25th.
Lucent
Member
Dark Souls 1 had that kind of amazing lighting? Didn't notice that my whole playthrough.
And I don't know if you get a messed up copy or something or if your eyes are used to something, but the framerate looks fine for me. I don't really notice any kind of slowdown or anything. And I actually stop and go "okay, that looks pretty nice" when I light bonfires in some areas or light torches and walk through areas.
I just don't see the PS4 version (if it happens) coming any time soon and I've been waiting for this for a long time. There aren't really any games like it so drought or no I needed to play it. lol
GreatestHits
Member
I was on media blackout pretty much (hence my ignorance about all this) so I didn't know they were strongly denying a next gen version. PC version looks like all I can hope for.
Could we get some DS1/DS2 comparisons? I really do feel like I remember that we had much better lighting in the first game, something that could at least rival what they had shown in their earlier builds.
I haven't made it past character creation, I literally took 30 minutes
. But just walking around in the first area you get extreme framerate drops.
Also, not sure if it's been mentioned, but Forbes (as well as other publications) put out an article on it, and is linking to this thread for the comparison.
Could we get some DS1/DS2 comparisons? I really do feel like I remember that we had much better lighting in the first game, something that could at least rival what they had shown in their earlier builds.
I haven't made it past character creation, I literally took 30 minutes
getting from where you first take control, to the character creation spot
Try walking away from the house exactly from the point of your 'landing spot'
Also, not sure if it's been mentioned, but Forbes (as well as other publications) put out an article on it, and is linking to this thread for the comparison.
No, people want the dark areas that you can then light up. That's the whole point.
CountAntonius
Member
There seem to be big framerate, sound issues and loading time differences between disc and digital versions of the game from what I've reead.
Lucent
Member
Yeah I just didn't notice any framerate drops that really affected me. I've been in areas where I'd get ganged up on and hadn't had any drops that affected my ability to fight them clearly. Maybe they're there but I just don't see them. Or they're split second that it just doesn't do anything to me.
I wouldn't be surprised. There was a big difference in loading between digital and physical for The Last of Us. Felt like it took 5 minutes to do the initial load for me with the disc. People with digital said it loaded in seconds.
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
I think it's assumed that the wave of healing magic that explodes from a bonfire also regenerates the enemies within range of the bonfire. It's how the visual effect is stylized. Save a few special mobs that die forever.
Having enemies eventually extinct is more gamey in this sense, but I got the idea it's for balance reasons. You only have to deal with enemies for a reasonable amount of time, by then you should have mastered them.
Though it would have been cool if, after they extinct, you find their lifeless bodies wherever they were supposed to be standing. As if the bonfire finally stopped healing them.
Liberty4all
Banned
Wow the differences in those builds is crazy.
I'm going to make sure SCEA is aware of this thread.
I'm going to make sure SCEA is aware of this thread.
Cloud Strife
Member
Woooo
Wolfe
Member
That's the whole point, the fact that it's now optional takes away from the mechanic. I'm not denying that it doesn't look cool but the fact that you can see better in some cases before you light the torches is kind of telling. I don't know if I would have wanted things to be quite as dark as they were initially but the small light given off by the player is more than adequate in my opinion. The fact that you can now see enemies at the complete opposite end of a dark unlit hallway takes away from the games atmosphere for me personally (the gif that keeps getting posted of the character by the stationary torch opening the door and going down the stairs, that's the exact example I'm talking about.)
Hell I even adjusted the brightness slider a bit lower than necessary when I started the game the first time since I knew of this change and I still found it to be too well lit in darker areas.
DarkoMaledictus
Tier Whore
I was going to hold out on this game for the pc version as in my opinion ps3/xb360 are on their way out of my living room. Now I'm starting to be very afraid for the final version of the pc version...
uomoartificiale
Member
wow. shitstorm starting in 3...2...1...
Thanks Bamelin for doing what you can.
I just never would have imagined I would be here with a Dark Souls game. They totally ruined a game release that I could not have anticipated harder if I tried. Fuck, they're going to have to work hard to regain my trust after this if the PC version is not what they promised
I just never would have imagined I would be here with a Dark Souls game. They totally ruined a game release that I could not have anticipated harder if I tried. Fuck, they're going to have to work hard to regain my trust after this if the PC version is not what they promised
woah
jacksepticeye
Member
Thanks Bamelin for doing what you can.
I just never would have imagined I would be here with a Dark Souls game. They totally ruined a game release that I could not have anticipated harder if I tried. Fuck, they're going to have to work hard to regain my trust after this if the PC version is not what they promised
Feeling exactly the same right now.
outunderthestars
Banned
My personal takeaway from this is that gamers should stop buying games at launch. It encourages publishers to pull shit like this, or to release unfinisked games (bf4), etc.
Forceatowulf
G***n S**n*bi
Lucent
Member
I saw the streams and stuff and I still bought it at launch. The whole torch mechanic just isn't that big of a deal to me. Still have to deal with it in some places, like The Gutter. That place needs the torch.
He's part of the PlayStation MVP team. I mean I don't think Bamelin can actually get SCEA to do anything, but if he can at least point them in the direction of the thread, you never know what might happen. But in any event, I think it's important everyone is on the same page regarding what is going on here. This is fucked up by any measure, so I'm glad he's going to show them.
CountAntonius
Member
More than anything focus on this video which clearly shows a different version but goes on and on about it being played on PS3.
5 Things We learned
Lucent
Member
Yeah that video looks beautiful.
Will this station be ignored from pretty much all video game sites and by all journalists if it was a game from "hate-able" publishers like UBi, EA, Activision? I don't want to bring GB guys tweets again and again but to me it's pretty clear that Journalists ignoring this because it's treating From/Souls series as a sacred idol is apparently a thing right now when the fact is this huge downgrade, this deceptive is in same level as Aliens: Colonial Marines and way worse than Watch Dogs yet with it got zero media attention.
This runs ALOT smoother than the final PS3 version. What gives?
Fried Food
Banned
Thats gross I want a response to tthis.
I think this is just bs. This can't be PS3 footage, it runs a lot better than retail code.
goddamn this makes me furious.
fuckthisshit
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