LiquidSolid
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Like I said earlier, regularly back your saves up to an external device and even dying won't be that bad.
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Difficulty Levels in The Witcher 3 (Dark Mode, Permadeath)
- Thread starter Exentryk
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Like I said earlier, regularly back your saves up to an external device and even dying won't be that bad.
I feel like those deaths should not count, as it's not always clear what the outcome of a dialog will be.
But Normal for me. A balanced challenge is the way to enjoy the Witcher games.
Beelzebufo
Banned
I both suits the game in the sense that it helps you immerse yourself in the role-playing experience and in the sense that it's a Witcher game, as this is normal for the series now.
Although they better have those glitches down.
autoduelist
Member
In the 80's [and it still happens today], many games that wanted permadeath would delete your saves upon load. There are always ways around this, of course, but it's popularly known as 'save scumming/scum saving'.
Why in the world would you bother playing in this mode if you're going to do that? Why not just play regular mode? Not every mode, or game for that matter, has to be for everyone.
Love Deterrence
Member
Sounds awful! Cool for people who are into torturing themselves, though.
Conkerkid11
Member
You haven't experienced the worst of permadeath until you've experienced Diablo III lag related permadeath.
Sgt.Pepper
Banned
Dark Souls is casul incarnate
Is this somehow worse than a Diablo II lag related permadeath? Seeing as that was a thing quite a while ago. Getting fucked up by Duriel before you even saw him saw really something special.
RandomSeed
Member
Because people want the most difficult combat, but not have permadeath. Dark mode in W2 was perfect for this, but for some reason it seems they changed things all around. It seems like now if you want the most challenging mode as far as combat, permadeath comes along for the ride.
bananafactory
Banned
HAHAHA, that's kind of amazing.
Thats not clear yet. W2 had Hard Mode and Insanity, even though Insanity was characterized as the "most difficult" it was really just hard mode with permadeath. "Dark Mode" was patched in with the Enhanced Edition and had more difficult enemies with higher health pools and dealt more damage.
What? That's cool in a world-building way but really not cool if you're putting in some sort of achievement for Dark Mode.
TheJollyCorner
Member
This could lead to some soul crushing, meltdown inducing live streams. I never bother with trophies, but getting one for a completed permadeath run would be a worthy challenge, but I wouldn't attempt to do it in my first play-through. I'm not that hardcore, lol.
For when you die facing the last boss thinking you were just about to defeat it:
lol
can't wait for the YouTube videos of souls being crushed.
BobTheFork
Member
I've never played a Witcher game so part of me REALLY wants to play this mode just to see how far I get.
brandonh83
Banned
If they tie a trophy/achievement to that... fuck everything.
Lashley
Why does he wear the mask!?
His Majesty
Banned
Why wouldn't they add an achievement for what is probably the most difficult challenge in the game? Aren't achievements supposed to be...you know, challenging?
Hero Prinny
Member
why is it a dick move? the trophies aren't part of the game, they're just something that sony forces you to implement.
Platinum trophies shouldn't be easy.
Would be cool if they had a way to eliminate save scumming.
MickeyKnox
Member
Permadeath in an open world RPG by a developer that's never put out an open world game and has yet to release a balanced game at launch. Sure, what could go wrong.
LurkerPrime
Member
You're missing a key part of how it works.
BrokenSymmetry
Member
Perma-death works in a loot-driven action-RPG, like Diablo, where it's all about the combat, and it's pretty quick to level up a new character. I would never want permadeath in a story-driven RPG, however. Much too tedious to go through all the story and conversation parts again.
MickeyKnox
Member
Please then, do enlighten me.
Deified Data
Banned
I think he's talking about reloading as soon as you realize you're in over your head but before you die. Really the only way to combat that would be to restrict loading saves in the middle of combat. If you actually die the game does invalidate your saves.
Lord of Castamere
Member
You can back up saves on all 3 platforms in seconds now though. You can't really combat moving a save to the cloud, even if you could I doubt they will.
firebranded
Member
Exactly, well said! Will try this some time, I'll climb up the difficulty in time.
Rogue_Ledr
Banned
Why would anyone want to play like this exactly?
I honestly don't see the appeal of these "punishing" difficulty levels.
Do people find the idea of a game torturing them appealing?
Having to start over from the beginning when you die should've ended with the 8 Bit era.
Its 2015.
I honestly don't see the appeal of these "punishing" difficulty levels.
Do people find the idea of a game torturing them appealing?
Having to start over from the beginning when you die should've ended with the 8 Bit era.
Its 2015.
Lashley
Why does he wear the mask!?
I prefer fun trophies, not trophies that force you to play their multiplayer or something else they've tacked on.
That actually doesn't work for Witcher 2's insane mode. I believe they were doing something in the registry to prevent you from simply loading backup saves. Though they may not have access to something like the windows registry to prevent that in the console versions. As I recall, the 360 version of W2 didn't have insane mode.
LurkerPrime
Member
I was sorta hoping I wouldn't have to spell out the obvious, but here you go: Dark Mode is optional and in no way intended for first-time players. There is no expectation to even try - it's there for people that have truly masted the game and have the will to prove it.
All of this "it's too hard" or "that's impossible" moaning is completely missing the point of Dark Mode.
Not much of a trophy/achievement then, is it? More of a checklist to "100% the game," so to speak.
They could just stamp the saves with a specific run's ID, and prevent failed runs' saves from being loaded. I want to say that's how Insane Mode was, but I've never been brave enough to try.
Lashley
Why does he wear the mask!?
Perhaps. I personally prefer trophies/achievements that are quirky and fun that add something to the game.
Lord of Castamere
Member
I looked it up and you're right. The Witcher 2 encrypted insane saves.
SuperEpicGuy
Banned
I know it's cheating, but people who are trying permadeath could backup the save file in case something really stupid happends so all the work won't just go to waste.
If you have to backup save files and use them, why the heck you are even playing on insane instead of dark difficulty? I meant the whole point is, if you die, it's game over.
No, it's more like "Normal should have a bite to it, Easy should be easy but maybe make you feel kind of challenged at times, and Very Easy is 'play on the phone while gaming.'" It's probably a good idea to include very low difficulties for those that want them and if the game can reasonably accommodate them, but that doesn't mean they should make normal something that's a cakewalk.
Roberto Larcos
Member
Thief 2014 has a permadeath with chapter saves only (to avoid save scumming) - maybe if Witcher 3 only saved at the start / end of a new mission, with no manual saves?
The more options the better. There's always people who get kicks out of a real challenge. I'm sure there's a market for Dark.
Also, the ones who choose Dark know what they are getting into - the tormenting and whatnot - so it's not like someone forced them to play at that difficulty level.
Usually I'm all for difficulty in games, but the Witcher 2 opening is probably one of the hardest, least well done openings I've ever seen. As someone who routinely plays the hardest difficulty, I have zero interest in this and would be very surprised if more than a handful of people do. Never was a fan of the added difficulties they patched in later either.
definitely. if everyone can do it it's not an achievement. if i were designing a set of achievements for a game i would make at least 5% of them something super hard to do, like something you have to have mastered the game in nearly every aspect in order to unlock. a good example like the VANQUISH tactical challenges, especially challenge 6.
i don't know if this witcher 3 hardcore mode trophy quite fits in with my idea though. seems like you could easily put a backup save somewhere. dead space 2 had a great implementation of this style of difficulty - hardcore mode, where you are limited to three saves throughout the entire game, with no checkpoints. if you die you have to reload your game, and therefore you must be intimately familiar with the game and plan out where you are going to save.
Dragon1893
Member
I beat TW2 on Dark but it didn't have permadeath.
Not for me. Dying 5 minutes before the end of a 100 hour game and losing everything? Must be fun.
Not for me. Dying 5 minutes before the end of a 100 hour game and losing everything? Must be fun.
Ascenion
Member
Perhaps they could have like a failsafe auto save that refreshes itself every 4 hours or so or upon first entry into a boss fight to combat glitches and it reports these to an online profile that gives you a save unlock code but you can only use each unique code once if you utilize it more than that it locks out the trophy? I dunno just trying to think of something fair.
