PS4. I agree that it's MUCH better than last gen versions, but I still notice framedrops quite often (every time i drive around in the city).
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Digital Foundry: GTA V PS4 and Xbox One compared in new frame-rate stress test.
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PS4. I agree that it's MUCH better than last gen versions, but I still notice framedrops quite often (every time i drive around in the city).
Summer Haze
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This. I remember Naughty Dog saying how incredibly difficult it was to even get TLoU:R running on the PS4. I wouldn't ever use a remaster as an accurate representation of what either console can do.
Windom Earle
Member
Nope, 900p does not help the CPU. And the IQ is very important for GTA to look good.
Lowerinf the resolution won't get you a better framerate if you're CPU-bound, which this may be.
Windom Earle
Member
lol. Diving in this game is fucking amazing. Didn't really do it in the last gen version because it was an absolute slide show.
#TooSoon
cyberheater
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It's a port-over, in the first year of the generation.
In other words...yes, to your last question
Or to put it another way, I'm sure GTAVI in 2 or 3 years will blow this out of the water, on the same consoles.
Yes. I think so too.
ricardo_sousa11
Member
I myself havent yet encountered any frame drop, on any situation...My friend does notice framedrop on high speeds, my game remains solid 30. It might have to do with how many games you have installed maybe ? (my ps4 is new)
gioGAF
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Leadbetter is trash. Whenever I read excerpts from a Digital Foundry article and it starts sounding like MS propaganda, I can bet Leadbetter is behind it. This performance "update" is so lame. He glancingly mentions that the PS4 version runs better and then he spends the remainder of the update going on about how the xbone performs better in this one particular situation, while heavily downplaying any PS4 advantage.
I really hope Leadbetter is directly receiving a check from MS, since at least that way there is good reasoning behind the turds that come out of his mouth/keyboard.
I really hope Leadbetter is directly receiving a check from MS, since at least that way there is good reasoning behind the turds that come out of his mouth/keyboard.
Lots of uninformed opinions goingbmon here.
One, porting forward code does not autuomatically mean itll run better easy peasy. In fact its likely to be the opposite. Emulation requires a lot fvhorsepower to run old games and while tjis isnt emulation its taking code designed and optimized for one architecture to another one. The result, without extensive re-writes, is code that will perform worse than native code: i.e. Code ported from 360 to XB1 or PS3 to PS4 is likely to perform worse than code written specificcaly for the PS4 or XB1. People need to realize that remasters are harder to squeeze performance from vs native titles.
Two this isnt an applesbto apples comparison. The two versions are close to parity but there remain notable differences as called out by DF themselves meaning there diect comparisons arent quite direct comparisons. How would the PS4 perform if it only had to render the same content as XB1? Coversely how would the XB1 perform if it had to match the extra elements present in PS4.
Bottom line its seems like a fairly solid port on both that doesnt perform totally smoothly on either platform. Perhaps if they scaled back extra effects on PS4 they could hit an almost solid 30fps and perhaps if they scaled XB1 back a little further again that could be more solid too. Or they could have invested further effort into optimization on each where its needed.
They didnt but even as domeone whose lukewarm about GTA at the best of times id argue overall given the scale of the game and the challenges of porting code forward Rockstar did a pretty damn good job.
One, porting forward code does not autuomatically mean itll run better easy peasy. In fact its likely to be the opposite. Emulation requires a lot fvhorsepower to run old games and while tjis isnt emulation its taking code designed and optimized for one architecture to another one. The result, without extensive re-writes, is code that will perform worse than native code: i.e. Code ported from 360 to XB1 or PS3 to PS4 is likely to perform worse than code written specificcaly for the PS4 or XB1. People need to realize that remasters are harder to squeeze performance from vs native titles.
Two this isnt an applesbto apples comparison. The two versions are close to parity but there remain notable differences as called out by DF themselves meaning there diect comparisons arent quite direct comparisons. How would the PS4 perform if it only had to render the same content as XB1? Coversely how would the XB1 perform if it had to match the extra elements present in PS4.
Bottom line its seems like a fairly solid port on both that doesnt perform totally smoothly on either platform. Perhaps if they scaled back extra effects on PS4 they could hit an almost solid 30fps and perhaps if they scaled XB1 back a little further again that could be more solid too. Or they could have invested further effort into optimization on each where its needed.
They didnt but even as domeone whose lukewarm about GTA at the best of times id argue overall given the scale of the game and the challenges of porting code forward Rockstar did a pretty damn good job.
Possibly, but there was always the hint that a PC version has been in development from the start with some PC related files being in the 360/PS3 versions. If that is the case then most likely GTAV was not ported from 360/PS3 but from the PC version which would be much much easier to work with. TLoU however did not have a PC version of course and would be more difficult to port.
Who knows either way.
If it was a port from the 360/PS3 versions, they're not going to go 360 > XB1 and PS3 > PS4. They're going to just use one and fit it to both. Porting both to their specific platforms would be such a waste of time and completely unnecessary.
VFX_Veteran
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I'm sure it is doing a lot..certainly more than ISS. But just not doing the complexity in AC:U.
No, but AC:U is the most graphics intensive of the games on these consoles.
Yeah, stable framerate should have been the goal first.
Beerman462
Member
True, but they didn't have problems with Max Payne. GTA4 was a bad port, and they didn't even want to touch RDR after it was finished. Maybe it is just super specific code.
VFX_Veteran
Banned
What exactly is intensive in Unity? I genuinely asking because npc a part, I missed the other details. It's ot but I want to hear something about this high tech in Unity.
Windom Earle
Member
AC Unity is not doing shit compared to GTA, despite NPCs and graphical effects that neither console can handle.
VFX_Veteran
Banned
It's a port-over, in the first year of the generation.
In other words...yes, to your last question
Or to put it another way, I'm sure GTAVI in 2 or 3 years will blow this out of the water, on the same consoles.
And so the myth continues to provide hope to the hopeless..
The PS4 is doing a fair bit in the background though. Twitch streaming with chat overlay, video of your face inset and chromakey background seems to be the most the OS does while still also playing a game.
Myth? I though a nextgen GTA in those console will have crazy graphic, why should be a myth?
The myth that games later in a console generation are notably superior in performance and graphics compared to its first launch year? Yeah, definitely not tried and tested for decades...
Windom Earle
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Can you do this with "greatly unique" AC NPCs?
http://a.pomf.se/nrobss.webm
They are just useless empty copy/pasted shells.
You want options, buy a PC.
VFX_Veteran
Banned
If you can't seriously look at the lighting/physically based shaders/ highly detailed textures and architecture in the game then I don't know what to say honestly. The game has massive detail in just about every asset. Take the "hand" in GTA5 used to dial your cell phone and compare it to the skin in AC:U. That's very compute intensive to get that kind of detail for skin. Notre Dame cathedral that has the stained glass windows that make the consoles drop to their knees? It's the shader complexity doing that. Maybe they can cut some corners and pull some more performance of the consoles to make it faster, but right now, they are using brute force to render the game... which is why the PCs can handle it and the consoles can not.
XxRampage07xX
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IMO I don't think Rockstar ported the game from PC. How can they port it from a version which hasn't been finished yet? Or maybe they just ported some parts of the game? I don't really know
VFX_Veteran
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Yea.. tried and tested on hardware that wasn't basic PCs.. this generation is different. Accept it. These consoles are just basic PCs.. all the way from the hardware to the SDKs. Ther e is no secret-sauce to be extracted out -- which is why most of the exclusives have been locked at 30fps and still lacking advanced DX11 features. I have yet to see any game on console come out with tessellation active in an open world.
Wait a minute, you are talk of shaders? Isn't it cpu bounded?
TrojanBlade
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Time for Sony to unleash the reserved power Cerny used to talk about that will come in later years of PS4
Popup
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Perhaps straying a little from the main focus of this thread, I would really love to know how things currently stand with these Consoles.
Has the Xbox one API been honed or are devs beginning to leverage performance from it's architecture in more novel ways? Microsoft has certainly had enough incentives to improve the somewhat dire situation they seemed to have been placed in, early on this gen.
Maybe Sony have been resting on their laurels with regards to PS4 system development thus far?
Or are we simply starting to see bottlenecks and cracks starting to reveal themselves with regard to the chosen hardware routes? I would be interested to see some of the early Face Off's revisited to see if frame rates have improved during the course or the last year.
Despite having good reason, It's such a shame that we may never truly be privy to the inner goings on with regard to these platforms and have to surmise instead. Mind you, this is all pretty good fun, trying to work it all out, don't you think?
Has the Xbox one API been honed or are devs beginning to leverage performance from it's architecture in more novel ways? Microsoft has certainly had enough incentives to improve the somewhat dire situation they seemed to have been placed in, early on this gen.
Maybe Sony have been resting on their laurels with regards to PS4 system development thus far?
Or are we simply starting to see bottlenecks and cracks starting to reveal themselves with regard to the chosen hardware routes? I would be interested to see some of the early Face Off's revisited to see if frame rates have improved during the course or the last year.
Despite having good reason, It's such a shame that we may never truly be privy to the inner goings on with regard to these platforms and have to surmise instead. Mind you, this is all pretty good fun, trying to work it all out, don't you think?
Fun Factor
Formerly FTWer
Not sure how they came to this conclusion when every segment minus two showed the X1 version dropping more frames even including high-speed chases.
I more surprised not more people are talking about the AF.
The far away shadows look atrocious!
Easily as bad as they were on the last gen consoles.
Wut. Stop it please. Please.
VFX_Veteran
Banned
It may be CPU bound.. but every game is both CPU and GPU bound depending on the circumstances. You can't possibly have a really low end CPU be able to send draw calls to the GPU at the same speed as a high end CPU. I think AC:U is both CPU and GPU bound which is why 900p is used instead of 1080p.
It run in the gpu of the xbone which is pratically a 7770 at 900p. Surely it's not that gpu bounded.
Windom Earle
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Xone has lesser long drops. You cant seen it, just your heart if it's enough pure for the MS hardware.
Zombie James
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You're pretty wrong, at least in the case of the PS4:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_4_technical_specifications#Graphics_processing_unit
VFX_Veteran
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It is if you switch resolution on X1 to 1080p. You'd lose a lot of framerate.
SmokedMeat
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So avoid Strawberry Ave?
Dragon1893
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Makes sense considering the specifics of each hardware.
If you switch 1080p on xbone you lose fps. In every game.
Teletraan1
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Please never change. Mods please never ban him. I love your posts. They really add a funny flavor to these same old debates.
Tainted
Member
I've definitely noticed the frame drops on the PS4 when driving through the city. Slightly disappointed after watching some of those HQ streams prior to release, I was sure this thing was locked hard at 30fps
Its def a hell of alot better than the PS360 versions though.
Looking forward to seeing how the PC version pans out in Jan
Its def a hell of alot better than the PS360 versions though.
Looking forward to seeing how the PC version pans out in Jan
fuzzyreactor
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hell to the no
crazygambit
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That's exactly what they did while they waited for battery tech to catch up.
amen
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
People say that every. single. time. And it's simply not true. It's not about 'extracting' more power necessarily, it's about figuring out more clever algorithms that do things better and faster. More optimized math, better optimized parallelization, things like that, which require ingenuity and new thinking, rather than making old algorithms run faster. As a recent example, you have an AA method like HRAA now which runs in same frame time as FXAA on the same hardware, but blows it out of the water in terms of quality.
If you want to talk about actually extracting more power of of something, that too is not out of the question. Just look at the Tomorrow Children presentation and how they've done something that's exactly that, using unconventional methods. Or look at something like Infamous: First Light that achieves 20-30% better frame rate in exact same scenes compared to original game, which they've accomplished just by some smarter data packing in a few months time. This is all on a machine that's easy to develop for, and in case of XB1 the advancement in the last year has only been more dramatic (see CoD:Ghost vs. CoD:AW)
