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[Malcolm9]

There is nothing wrong with comparing the performances on each platform, but can we stop turning into a "let's shit on the consoles" thread.

When we see examples of other games running great with better visuals etc, it's more the fault of Bethesda that this game has its problems. It's pretty much a day one issue with most games these days, let's wait for the inevitable patches ie The Witcher 3.

We all know the consoles could have been more powerful, we get that, but it's pretty boring to regurgitate that in these types of threads.

 

[Collateral22]

How much would said budget PC cost to make?

 

[Mahonay]

Oh come on, more power? Isn't that what they got from ps3 to pa4. No amount of power stops their issues. Not even sure what your thinking

Can't wait for the pc issues to show up more

That's a pretty plain way to look at it but sure.

Also I already mentioned (in the post you just quoted) part of the problem lies with Bethesda and their use of this engine.

For the record I bought this on PS4 already and am excited to play this tomorrow.

 

[baudelinog]

How much would said budget PC cost to make?

400$?

 

[NoFaceNico]

0 FPS is just the new, secret photo mode.

Please understand.

Classic.

How much would said budget PC cost to make?

Someone quoted $400, is that true? And what are we looking at for that price? Something like the Alienware Alpha or an ITX PC?

 

[Mahonay]

You can only polish a turd so much. As long as Bethesda insists on using gamebryo every game they make will be a janky, buggy mess.

At the end of the day absolutely. I was disappointed at the initial reveal when it was obvious it was the same old engine.

Thankfully they still executed on a good game outside of performance/jank. Maybe all the talk of shortcomings this time will force their hand come next Elder Scrolls game. Then again...probably not.

 

[Coroner]

Oh man the hyperbole hits once again Fallout 4. I've played now the PS4 version for several hours and can confirm that the game runs very smooth for the most part. You have to seek for massive framedrops to even notice them (Indoor and Outdoor)

Clearly not everyone is having the same experience as you.

 

[RoadHazard]

You can see how it does in The Witcher 3 here:

https://youtu.be/gGf4SVWEw2g

So about on PS4 level unless you OC it. And does that rig (including everything you need when starting from scratch, excluding screen/TV) run you less than $350?

400$?

Including mobo, GPU, CPU, RAM, HDD, disc drive (ok, you can get away without that these days, but that would be a bit unfair), case, mouse + keyboard (and/or controller, but you can't really use a PC with only one of those)? Am I missing something? You can't just go "everyone already has most of those parts" (I personally don't, since my current PC is a laptop), the comparison has to be fair.

 

[Asmodai48]

So about on PS4 level unless you OC it. And does that rig (including everything you need when starting from scratch, excluding screen/TV) run you less than $350?

Prob not but it does come with free online ~_^

 

[Renekton]

It is not PS4 vs 750Ti.

It is PS4 versus Core i3 + 750Ti

 

[RoadHazard]

Prob not but it does come with free online ~_^

But does it come with free PS+ games?

(Yes, I know buying PC games is cheaper, especially if you take advantage of Steam sales and whatnot.)

 

[Asmodai48]

But does it come with free PS+ games?

Nah but it does come with limitless BC + emulation

 

[RoadHazard]

Nah but it does come with limitless BC + emulation

Aaaaand did you rip all those ROMs yourself? Or are you a filthy pirate?

 

[Asmodai48]

Aaaaand did you rip all those ROMs yourself? Or are you a filthy pirate?

I still have all my consoles since master system

 

[nowheretorun]

Nah but it does come with limitless BC + emulation

Am I right in saying most pc games don't come with rumble/vibration though? I'd really miss that and didn't buy a ps3 until Sony sorted out their bullshit.

 

[texhnolyze]

Aaaaand did you rip all those ROMs yourself? Or are you a filthy pirate?

Why did you come to that conclusion?
BC on PC means you can still play games that are already in your steam library forever, no matter how many times you rebuilt your PC. Well, at least as long as valve is still on the business.

 

[RoadHazard]

Am I right in saying most pc games don't come with rumble/vibration though? I'd really miss that and didn't buy a ps3 until Sony sorted out their bullshit.

Pretty sure they do, at least the ones that are also developed for console. 99% support 360 controllers out of the box, including rumble.

Why did you come to that conclusion?
BC on PC means you can still play games that are already in your steam library forever, no matter how many times you rebuilt your PC. Well, at least as long as valve is still on the business.

That was about the emulation part of the post I replied to.

 

[ScepticMatt]

That's pretty much what every open world game does.

Nope. Listen to the Umbra GDC talk how Witcher 3 does dynamic streaming.
Neither does GTA V.

 

[nowheretorun]

Pretty sure they do, at least the ones that are also developed for console. 99% support 360 controllers out of the box, including rumble.



That was about the emulation part of the post I replied to.

Great. I'm almost there in building my first ever gaming pc. The footage of the i7 and 970 looked beautiful

 

[bede-x]

How much would said budget PC cost to make?

You can read about what it cost and includes here:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2015-budget-gaming-pc-guide

It's not as cheap as a console all said and done.

 

[dark10x]

You can read about what it cost and includes here:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2015-budget-gaming-pc-guide

It's not as cheap as a console all said and done.

Heh, so you noticed that Richard re-published that article this past Sunday. I'm surprised more people didn't pick up on that hint.

 

[Norwegian_Imposter]

There is nothing wrong with comparing the performances on each platform, but can we stop turning into a "let's shit on the consoles" thread.

When we see examples of other games running great with better visuals etc, it's more the fault of Bethesda that this game has its problems. It's pretty much a day one issue with most games these days, let's wait for the inevitable patches ie The Witcher 3.

We all know the consoles could have been more powerful, we get that, but it's pretty boring to regurgitate that in these types of threads.

I was playing heart of stone waiting for fallout 4 to unlock and its amaazing what CD Projekt did to optimise it better for PS4. It runs super smooth now.

 

[bede-x]

Heh, so you noticed that Richard re-published that article this past Sunday. I'm surprised more people didn't pick up on that hint.

I actually remembered the original article and the re-published one was just the first that came up, when I searched for it

Really appreciate the work you guys put into these things and hope you do an updated budget build guide at some point.

 

[orochi91]

Why is the GPU (750ti) still being discussed?

The i3 is the real difference maker in these scenarios, not the 750ti.

 

[boredandlazy]

Why is the GPU (750ti) still being discussed?

The i3 is the real difference maker in these scenarios, not the 750ti.

Is that a rhetorical question?

 

[dark10x]

Why is the GPU (750ti) still being discussed?

The i3 is the real difference maker in these scenarios, not the 750ti.

Yeah, I'm not sure why the performance advantage is being attributed to the 750ti. People have been repeating over and over again that it's the CPU.

 

[Hammer24]

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Can you comment on why the Performance Analysis vid omits indoor areas?
After the huge thread here I would have loved to see a full analysis on that.

 

[Branduil]

You can read about what it cost and includes here:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2015-budget-gaming-pc-guide

It's not as cheap as a console all said and done.

If you factor in the online tax on consoles+Steam sales, it can easily be cheaper.

 

[BumblebeeCody]

Nothing to celebrate over. It's terrible for both consoles.

 

[Real_Madrid]

If you factor in the online tax on consoles+Steam sales, it can easily be cheaper.

Literally every DF thread ends with a weird console vs cheap pc 'discussion'. Why and who cares?

PC gaming can be cheaper, just as console can easily be cheaper. There are so many variables, you can't really say anything useful about this subject.

 

[driver116]

You can read about what it cost and includes here:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2015-budget-gaming-pc-guide

It's not as cheap as a console all said and done.

Yeah a copy of Windows + decent keyboard/mouse or controller are always going to bump up the cost for a first time build. They gloss over this somewhat in that article. All I'll say is add an extra £200 to your budgets.

 

[Malcolm9]

I was playing heart of stone waiting for fallout 4 to unlock and its amaazing what CD Projekt did to optimise it better for PS4. It runs super smooth now.

Exactly, it's a great experience on the PS4, especially after the patches.

It just seems like a good choice to wait rather than buying day one, most of the time the patches bring the game up to scratch.

I'd love to say it should be like that from day one, but developers don't like to delay a game instead preferring to patch it upon release. You could say we are all glorified beta testers in that respect, but more often than not I can still enjoy the game without being hung up on occasional FPS drops/glitches.

Skyrim PS3 is the only game I've had to stop playing due to how it ran later in the game, now that was a slide show and a half before they improved it.

 

[Javin98]

Heh, so you noticed that Richard re-published that article this past Sunday. I'm surprised more people didn't pick up on that hint.

Wait, the hint? Is there more November released games than just Fallout 4 that the i3/750Ti combo outperforms the PS4 version? Call of Duty Black Ops 3? Or am I just assuming too much?

 

[dark10x]

Wait, the hint? Is there more November released games than just Fallout 4 that the i3/750Ti combo outperforms the PS4 version? Call of Duty Black Ops 3? Or am I just assuming too much?

Just Fallout 4 and Black Ops 3 (which, spoiler alert, runs like hot garbage).

 

[boredandlazy]

Nothing to celebrate over. It's terrible for both consoles.

Well, based on some of the 750ti posts that seems to be a good thing.

 

[Javin98]

Just Fallout 4 and Black Ops 3 (which, spoiler alert, runs like hot garbage).

Ouch, at comparable settings? The DF thread for BO3 will be something...

 

[trixx]

Great analysis. That stuttering seemed real bad.

I need a new graphics card. My CPU is good, but graphics terribad

 

[VGA222]

Here's another PS4 Fallout 4 frame rate test. It's interesting that the framerate seems to lock to a consistent 20fps at certain points indoors.

 

[Radec]

Yo where can I buy an i3 and 750ti for my ps4?

 

[stryke]

Here's another PS4 Fallout 4 frame rate test. It's interesting that the framerate seems to lock to a consistent 20fps at certain points indoors.

Reminds me of Witcher.

 

[hesido]

Here's another PS4 Fallout 4 frame rate test. It's interesting that the framerate seems to lock to a consistent 20fps at certain points indoors.

DF's initial analysis does not contain much indoor footage, does it? My first two messages went unnoticed.

 

[Vanguard]

Every now and again something will catch the corner of my eye that looks off, I knew it was something to do with how it handles culling but could never recreate it, until now!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VhH9diaZIA

Makes me wonder if this is what's causing certain locations to have really odd performance at certain camera angles, if the culling is this off.

 

[derExperte]

Yo where can I buy an i3 and 750ti for my ps4?

2018 from Sony. It'll be called PS5.

 

[d9b]

Nothing to celebrate over. It's terrible for both consoles.

But I don't see any other major gaming websites calling Bethesda on it, so as far as they're concerned it's all good... It'll still sell shitloads.

 

[hodgy100]

Yeah a copy of Windows + decent keyboard/mouse or controller are always going to bump up the cost for a first time build. They gloss over this somewhat in that article. All I'll say is add an extra £200 to your budgets.

what?

you dont need an expensive kb&m a £15 set will do, a controller can be had for £20 and a copy of windows is about £70.

add £100
not £200 christ.

 

[dark10x]

But I don't see any other major gaming websites calling Bethesda on it, so as far as they're concerned it's all good... It'll still sell shitloads.

This...I do not get. The issues shouldn't be ignored or brushed off.

 

[Sniffynose]

I've played about 5hrs so far, haven't gotten into major firefights or anything yet. It's really nice looking imho and the aa solution is working great. I haven't had any stuttering on PS4 yet but I do have a WD Black 7200rpm hd installed.

Hopefully the frame slowdowns during fire/smoke are just a bug fix, I can deal with the 28fps in a busy town hub zone, but scoping and stuff should stick to 30.

The disappointing thing is how these companies constantly ship things like this instead of working out the kinks, it's making release day buying brutal. Hell some games don't get fixed for months or ever. The winners are the people who buy things a year later tbh. I wish I had more restraint sometimes =(

 

[Kezen]

This...I do not get. The issues shouldn't be ignored or brushed off.

I agree, although it is fair to say that those issues will not be a concern for the vast majority of players. Your average gamer be it on PC or consoles does not seem to care about those things at all.

 

[derExperte]

what?

you dont need an expensive kb&m a £15 set will do, a controller can be had for £20 and a copy of windows is about £70.

add £100
not £200 christ.

You don't need a more expensive mechanical keyboard. But just like with an SSD the second you've used a good one you'll stop caring about its cost. Most likely it will also mean not buying another one for many years/PC builds. So I say add 200 and buy something that'll last.

 

[Durante]

Yeah, I'm not sure why the performance advantage is being attributed to the 750ti. People have been repeating over and over again that it's the CPU.

In most cases, probably. But the alpha blending drops on PS4 don't seem CPU limited. Which is curious.

what?

you dont need an expensive kb&m a £15 set will do, a controller can be had for £20 and a copy of windows is about £70.

add £100
not £200 christ.

Windows is a lot cheaper than that.