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Do you think Sony will make any more Demon's Souls games?
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PensivePen
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Two million plus sales in a niche genre is a pretty good sign. If fans of the Souls series know that one console will have one game next generation, and another will have two, it's not hard to figure out which one they'll go for. When you've got a next gen console and you're trying to reinforce your library for it, every little bit helps. That said I'm very skeptical about the idea of a Demon's Souls 2. I think "Dark Souls 2: Next Gen Edition" being a PS4 exclusive is more likely.
I'm kinda torn on this--not on how much ass DeS2 would kick, that's a given, but on wanting another DeS game if it wasn't made by FROM. Another team might be able to come in and replicate what FROM did from a technical perspective, but as we all know, the Souls games are so much more than the sum of their parts. With FROM software on board, I think the Souls games have enough mainstream exposure to really push a lot of units, but with another dev?
I want to say I'd be all over it anyway, but truth be told, I'd be pretty anxious about another dev taking over.
Anyway, lets just keep our finger and toes crossed and hope that Sony has come to some sort of agreement with FROM and the game has been in development for years!!
I want to say I'd be all over it anyway, but truth be told, I'd be pretty anxious about another dev taking over.
Anyway, lets just keep our finger and toes crossed and hope that Sony has come to some sort of agreement with FROM and the game has been in development for years!!
GoodCoffeeJoey
Banned
This rumour has been floating around since before E3 2013. At this point I soupy it's true but who knows.
The Silver
Member
I've yet to see any good reason for two incredibly similar series to coexist like that.
Except for the lore, anything that could be put in a Demon's Souls sequel could just as easily be put in a Dark Souls sequel.
Except for the lore, anything that could be put in a Demon's Souls sequel could just as easily be put in a Dark Souls sequel.
PensivePen
Member
King's Field and Shadow Tower, also by From, coexisted for a short time, and were both excellent through it. Their main distinction was their lore and environments, while the gameplay remained pretty similar.
toastyToast
Member
Dark Souls could feasibly have been a sequel to Demons for one. Secondly, the rejig was to allow From to continue the series free of the Sony owned IP. No one told them not to use a hub world for Dark, they chose to. Dark Souls is Demon's II
Comfort Jones
Banned
Why would you want Sony to make Demon's Souls 2? You know there's a reason From went multiplatform. Dark Souls was essentially Demon's Souls 2. I can't fathom From ever making the game, so if it was made, it would be by someone else, so fuck that noise.
Enough franchises are being milked to death already.
Enough franchises are being milked to death already.
cj_iwakura
Member
I have to believe. Is there room for both? Sure!
Do I have time for both, there's the trick...
As good as Dark is, Demon's has a certain something that DkS doesn't. It's hard to describe, but Demon's is better polished, IMO.
Do I have time for both, there's the trick...
As good as Dark is, Demon's has a certain something that DkS doesn't. It's hard to describe, but Demon's is better polished, IMO.
R
Retro_
Unconfirmed Member
What would be the point of dark souls and demon's souls existing concurrently?
They're so similar in basic structure and play mechanics
Edit: oh guess just I'm not the first to ask
They're so similar in basic structure and play mechanics
Edit: oh guess just I'm not the first to ask
Dark Souls is just a more refined Demon Souls. They made it open world instead of hub based, and honestly improved on nearly every single aspect of the game. It won't have the magic Demon's Souls did when you first played it since the brutal difficulty novelty won't feel as fresh. Basically whichever game you played first will probably seem better but both are great.
The big difference though is one is an exclusive and the other is multiplatform. And exclusives make some people feel better about their console buying decisions.
NoMoreTrolls
Banned
Yep. You sure nailed that one. /s
Comfort Jones
Banned
Uh, it's absolute shit that we get more modern military shooters than we need, and pretty much only two of them have survived, CoD and BF. Shit that tries to compete with CoD usually dies pretty hard.
Also Souls is fairly niche and From would be insane to make it for so many fucking obvious reasons. So instead we want someone else to make it because...you liked Demon's better? You just expect it to be as good because reasons? And realize if Sony released it, it would essentially be directly competing against Dark Souls, a series that essentially exists because From decided they wanted to keep making Souls games but not under Sony's control. If they had made "Demon's Souls 2" instead of Dark Souls, IT WOULD HAVE STILL PRETTY MUCH BEEN DARK SOULS.
This weird desire to see Demon's Souls 2 when we haven't even gotten Dark Souls 2 yet, imo, shows such a lack of respect for the original devs and shows a real lack of substance in one's taste in general.
Polioliolio
Member
Dark Souls is in every way a sequel to Demon's Souls. It has the same gameplay and characters for crying out loud.
What I'm worried about with Dark Souls 2, and the discussed Demon's Souls 2, is that they've been, due to sales success, cornered into a spot where they won't be able to become anything but very exact copies with slight changes of what they were.
I would like to see what the next successor game could be from the same director and development team... I don't want them to have to limit it to appeal to fans because now that there's bigger profits involved, there's more risk.
What I'm worried about with Dark Souls 2, and the discussed Demon's Souls 2, is that they've been, due to sales success, cornered into a spot where they won't be able to become anything but very exact copies with slight changes of what they were.
I would like to see what the next successor game could be from the same director and development team... I don't want them to have to limit it to appeal to fans because now that there's bigger profits involved, there's more risk.
Comfort Jones
Banned
If you played the Dark Souls 2 beta and think it's an exact copy with slight changes you're out of your mind.
If changes to ai, hollowing, speed of the game in general, what stats do, bunch of stuff I'm forgetting/care to name isn't enough of a change in a sequel, I seriously question what it is you'd want them to do with the ip. Souls is seriously one of the only ip's where they've been intelligently expanding on gameplay ideas without deciding to just completely change the game.
TheSpoiler
Member
You are pushing it with the gameplay, but outright wrong with the characters being the same.
The games will pretty much have to be different, or at least have something that sets them apart beyond the looks.
Would like Demon's Souls to become a more literal spiritual successor to King's Field, maybe not first person, but more dungeon focused like it was. That way it isn't too similar.
Get this composer back in too.
Would even be okay with first person actually.
Fuck it just make King's Field V.
Get this composer back in too.
Would even be okay with first person actually.
Fuck it just make King's Field V.
Comfort Jones
Banned
Wow you'd drive that ip into the ground pretty much over night. A niche within a niche, yes let's take this small respected game and COMPLETELY change it to be more like another niche game no one has cared about FOR YEEEAAARS. And get rid of the Demon's Souls composer because fuck him!
And you want SONY to do this, not From? I mean...you don't expect them to do this, do you?
GAF pls.
Deified Data
Banned
I love both games to death, but this. Who's bright idea was it to let you spend an hour crafting a perfect face only to hide it for 90% of the game?
From Santa Monicamg:
No one can make Demon's Souls 2 except From Software. No matter how good Santa Monica is, it wouldn't be the same.
It is not as simple as you are trying to make it seem. Have you even played demons souls? They have quite a few differences and demons is actually more polished than dark. Also I think the hub world is superior and fits with the better atmosphere and story in demons. From will make whatever a company pays them to. They are developers who are hired by other companies.
Comfort Jones
Banned
You don't actually know what you're saying do you? There's no way Sony would be willing to pay them enough for them to stop making multiplat games.
Also Demon's Souls being more "polished" (which I don't even agree with at all) has nothing to do with the ip.
John Cena level marks in this thread I swear to God.
The Silver
Member
The problem is that the games are already so similar that setting them apart enough to justify two series would probably give you a game that ends up not being what people truly want out of a Demon's Souls 2.
When people say they want a Demon's Souls 2 all they really mean is they want a hub and a darker atmosphere, both that can be easily accomplished by Dark Souls if FROM if ever felt like it.
They don't have to stop making darks I am saying any company can hire them to make another game. You realize they have more than one team right. I know you want to shit on other peoples opinions but at least read what I wrote. They are a third party company who makes both original and for hire games. Sony doesn't have to pay them to be exclusive they just have to pay them for a ps4 game.
Comfort Jones
Banned
*ding ding ding*
But shhh get that logic out of here, let's just rehash old ideas and have a different dev team do it! Shit, let's have the god of war guys do it, they'll make it more accessible so the demon's souls franchise can really take off!
@Wereroki lmfao From has "more than one team"? So...what...I don't even. So let's split off some Dark Souls team members to make ANOTHER souls game while they....what? Sony dropped the fucking ball, From isn't coming back, get out of fantasy land.
Let's be honest, doing Demon's Souls 2 anything close to Dark Souls or Dark Souls 2 is a waste.
My post was supposed to be a pretty obvious joke but I guess that stuff doesn't travel well on the internet.
I AM a fan of King's Field and find the music is perfectly atmospheric, while Souls games tend to only have boss music for the most part, so its an entirely different experience.
Comfort Jones
Banned
Sorry, didn't really take it as a joke seeing how many people are seriously clamoring for what is essentially a guaranteed bad idea, and imo a big reflection of what's wrong with a lot of gamers.
I don't even know why this topic of Demon's Souls 2 even comes up every once in a while, just because Sony owns the IP, doesn't mean they have to or will ever do anything with it.
I'm actually waiting to get a next gen console till it comes out.
Comfort Jones
Banned
I think it's a really bad idea to even bring up cuz to me it's like people are clamoring for the ip rather than actually showing interest in what the original team is doing.
I'll say this right now, if Sony makes Demon's Souls totally without From I will boycott it. That's bullshit on so many levels. Sony was pretty much ready to let Demon's Souls die. Don't ever forget why we got Dark Souls instead of Demon's Souls 2.
AuthenticM
Member
The differences between Demon's Souls and Dark Souls amount to this:
So the people chest-poundingly claiming "Demonz Souls is better yo fuck you" are full of it.
So the people chest-poundingly claiming "Demonz Souls is better yo fuck you" are full of it.
Comfort Jones
Banned
Wow this post is pretty...wow.
It's actually insulting to both sides. You're pretty much comparing it to CoD there. There are some pretty important differences. The bigger issue is the devs made Dark Souls different on purpose, it had nothing to do with lol new ip. They can make a game just like Demon's Souls without having to suck Sony's dick.
AuthenticM
Member
Yup. They made a game just like Demon's Souls. Thanks for agreeing.
Comfort Jones
Banned
Dark Souls has an open world, much different look to the world, much harder bosses, covenants, completely different lore, etc. The game is certainly a successor to Demon's Souls but it is not just Demon's Souls with a new coat of paint.
Sanctuary
Member
Yeah, I just can't grasp the logic of some of the posts in this thread. It's like some think Dark would have been drastically different if it was still under the Sony flag.
Also, a more open world does not equal "open world". Much of the content is gated and linear unless you start with the Master Key. Even then there are still many areas that are locked out until later.
AuthenticM
Member
The differences between the two games can absolutely be qualified as a new coat of paint. Modern Warfare and Black Ops are more distinct from each other than the Souls games.