Its a company that doesnt give a damn about you and simply wants your money. Jesus Christ
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DriveClub dev "had confidence" servers would work - compensation possible
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Its a company that doesnt give a damn about you and simply wants your money. Jesus Christ
The Jackdog
Member
you mean a free version promised to people who pay for a service, ps plus. right?
Why do you expect free stuff from a large scale title having issues with launching
You and I both know that:
DC servers are the Thunder with Westbrook running the show
2K servers are the knicks.
Ingueferroque
Banned
I own the game, I played it quite a lot. I had enjoyment from it without its' online features. What more do you want me to say? Your statement would make sense if the game simply did not launch without online, which would make this a different issue.
Someone made a factually baseless point, and someone else politely corrected it. That's not the problem with garbage posts and vs threads.
Spaced Harrier
Member
Having played the game online.. its solid.
As more of the online compenent opens open the game drastically improves. So iys a real shame this happened. Still though 40 Euro for a AAA racing game on launch isn't bad.
As more of the online compenent opens open the game drastically improves. So iys a real shame this happened. Still though 40 Euro for a AAA racing game on launch isn't bad.
Ingueferroque
Banned
ha ha.
I bet you don't own the game either do you?
What's up, did your demo not turn up on time and you feel the urge to spit your dummy?
sorry, I meant purely in the campaign length. I think after I finished the finale I'd logged maybe 6 hours? And I'd cleared almost all the roads/speed cameras/photos of cars
I agree there is a ton under the hood with customisation and the sheer number of cars though. Way more than DC.
Back on topic though - I wonder if people might be seeing better performance and online availability partly because people are starting to not play?
Gouty
Bloodborne is shit
Lord our standards have fallen. We'll now accept patched in content that should have been in the game in the first place as retrobution for shipping a half functional piece of software.
Seems like it may be a serious issue. I don't know how they are overloading servers with simple calls for leadboard information. Even if the frequency is crazy high for a modern game, I wouldn't expect these sorts of issues.
On a less serious note, seems like they worked on the wrong sort of dynamic cloud system.
On a less serious note, seems like they worked on the wrong sort of dynamic cloud system.
Petrae
Member
Other businesses need to look into how the video game industry has conditioned/duped its consumer base into not only accepting that products may or may not work as advertised on day one... but actually defending it.
It's a mighty impressive feat.
Gold_Loot
Member
You're still getting it are you not? Leave it to the spoiled who complains about having to wait for their free gifts.
ElRenoRaven
Member
You know when you pay for the service it's not free.
Gold_Loot
Member
Ahh , I wasn't aware that PSN was the official Driveclub service. When did Sony change the name? Should I check my firmware?
Miles Quaritch
Member
I think that's somewhat of an exaggeration. Sure the launch was botched and it might result in a short term outpouring of anger, but as with everything, once they've fixed the issues and made reparations, I'm sure it'll be forgotten.
As for Sony not wanting competing IP, this isn't really competing with GT. Just like Horizon 2 isn't competing with Mainline Forza. They compliment each other more than anything.
you may be surprised, but A LOT of people took day 1 console and day 1 paying service,
with free driveclub being the biggest enticement for it.
also, this was the news that broke at the same time with the news of the fact that plus had gone the xboxlive way (must pay to play).
to me, and I guess (I know) I was not the only one, that offer sure seemed like the counter weight to the pay to play news.
I never was a plus subscriber before, even though I had a ps3 (and still do have one) since the beginning.
now, its perfectly ok that you want to downplay EVERYTHING, but you must accept that maybe there are people that do not think and act the same as you.
Dead Prince
Banned
Season pass 50% discount please.
GifGafIsTheBestGaf
Member
sony really needs to get their shit together here as well, i feel they share most of the guilt here. fuck, i just dont want to think that it will be same shit with GTA5/GTO.
I think we just might see a discount on the season pass when this all settles. As an apology type thing. Mainly because giving away any of the DLC would be seen as diminishing the season pass value that some paid for already and would cause more uproar.
In the alternative, I can see them creating some new badges/liveries/unique car versions and give those away to everyone instead.
aaronwt
Member
What about the people that bought it for online play? To me, online play trumps local play in just about every game.
LOL!!! 2K takes this easily. DRIVECLUB is have trouble on it's launch of a new ip. 2K has had shitty servers for multiple games releases now. I wonder when reviews will start docking points for this?
Ingueferroque
Banned
They'll still get it, hopefully sooner than later.
This is definitely a game that's going to change a lot in the hopefully near future, what with replays, weather and planned (free) content in the pipeline.
flyinpiranha
Member
It's whatever I choose as the main drawing point. If I have cable to watch NBA games and they take NBA games off cable, yeah, I don't care if other shows are still there.
DC was the main reason I bought PS+ way back during launch, probably not yours. it doesn't matter what "part" of the service I utilize the most, if that part isn't available, that's a shitty service. Since DC became a demo instead of the "full game minus a few© cars and tracks", I'm not re-upping the service as I have no need for it. So it might as well have been called "Sony's Way of Getting You to Pay For Multiplayer on the PS4 But We'll Toss In a Slightly Degraded Version of an Upcoming Racer to Lessen The Blow" for all I care.
So now your gone to "You're complaining about the game. Therefore, you don't own it."
Your logic is non-existent.
ElRenoRaven
Member
It's not even that. Sony sells PS plus based off the free games. That was always their whole hook. They sold PS plus at PS4 launch on the free drive club. So those were advertised features of the service that folks pay for. Hence they really aren't free. They're being paid for via that subscription.
Some folks can act like children and try to defend this but that's on them. Facts are facts. Those don't change either.
Ingueferroque
Banned
...what? Why? You paid monthly for PS+, just for the DriveClub bonus? You could have just waited until the offer was live before you started paying monthly.
It seems really odd to me that they didn't bother doing a public beta for a game that has as many online-dependent features as DriveClub does. I don't think it needed to be on the same scale as the Destiny beta, but I don't understand how the folks at Evolution thought that the steps they took were sufficient, especially with the existence of the PS+ Edition that would undoubtedly skew numbers even higher.
Niteandgrey
Neo Member
Maybe it's because I used to be a software developer, but I'm a little dismayed by the self-righteous anger directed at Evo in this thread.
Sometimes a developer can do everything right, take every precaution, cut zero corners and just in general be customer-focused and do everything they can to make sure their application/title is perfect and things still will go wrong when the app/game hits the real world.
It sucks for people that bought the game that they can't yet fully experience everything the game has to offer, I get that. I'm one of those people, I bought it day 1.
But I can guarantee you that Evolution Studios is a freaking MADHOUSE right now. There's very, very little sleep for those devs right now and I know they're busting their collective ass to get this game running the way it's supposed to. And before anyone accuses me of being a dev there trying to gain sympathy, I'm not. I'm no longer in the gaming industry (for years now) and I don't know a single soul on the Evolution Studios' dev staff.
I'm just asking for the angriest among you to cut these guys a little slack. I guarantee you that they're more upset than you are right now. This is their baby and right now their baby is struggling to breathe on its own. I think the game that's there right now is excellent and I expect it to sell well and have a long life in terms of an online community as long as people can take a deep breath and recognize that it's not the end of the world.
Sometimes companies deserve your hatred and consequently don't deserve your money. I don't think this is one of those situations.
Sometimes a developer can do everything right, take every precaution, cut zero corners and just in general be customer-focused and do everything they can to make sure their application/title is perfect and things still will go wrong when the app/game hits the real world.
It sucks for people that bought the game that they can't yet fully experience everything the game has to offer, I get that. I'm one of those people, I bought it day 1.
But I can guarantee you that Evolution Studios is a freaking MADHOUSE right now. There's very, very little sleep for those devs right now and I know they're busting their collective ass to get this game running the way it's supposed to. And before anyone accuses me of being a dev there trying to gain sympathy, I'm not. I'm no longer in the gaming industry (for years now) and I don't know a single soul on the Evolution Studios' dev staff.
I'm just asking for the angriest among you to cut these guys a little slack. I guarantee you that they're more upset than you are right now. This is their baby and right now their baby is struggling to breathe on its own. I think the game that's there right now is excellent and I expect it to sell well and have a long life in terms of an online community as long as people can take a deep breath and recognize that it's not the end of the world.
Sometimes companies deserve your hatred and consequently don't deserve your money. I don't think this is one of those situations.
Ingueferroque
Banned
Good post. Sensible.
Nobody is throwing rocks into their windows. People are complaining here in their own private little corner of the Internet. Who cares if upset customers complain here? Christ, you make it seen we have to put on a happy face in case an Evolution dev pops in here.
They didn't do an open beta. They did some nebulous "simulated testing". It doesn't sound to me like they took every precaution. Sounds to me like they didn't want to take the time to do a proper open beta period (and/or didn't account for it when asking Sony for the year delay) and are now paying for it.
I think the worst part is people expecting to be given the game for free because of it. What logic made them arrive at that conclusion?
Get the refund and don't have the game or stick it out and enjoy the online when it becomes active. There's no middle ground. Once the online's back, Evo don't owe you anything. Perhaps there'll be goodwill in the name of a track or free car but that's gonna be down to them. They've been perfectly apologetic. If you can't think of anything better to do than trash the game and make ludicrous remarks about how Evolution Studios should be shut down well, don't take it out on Evo that you've got nothing better to do with your time.
It also prevents players from mashing the online component whilst they're trying to fix it. Imagine trying to fix the windows of a shop whilst thousands of people ramraid it.
Presumably a user playing their game a week after launch shouldn't have the same effect on servers as smashing a window.
CosmicQueso
Member
No one deserves hatred, but those making and selling a product are rightfully held accountable when that product fails.
The money paid for that product has been paid in full. The mutually agreed upon exchange of a fully functioning product has not.
Consumers have a right to demand that they receive the exchange in goods which they had been promised for their cash.
That has nothing to do with games or DC in particular, that's business.
Well, no. It shouldn't. But the reality is they're still having trouble, clearly.
What I'm not clear on is why so many people are defending them, when you know damn well this place would have exploded in unanimous hatred if it was an EA studio.
But no. Can't rip on Evo, can't suggest that their game just might be a piece of shit, can't say anything about Forza Horizon 2 being 10x better so just get that instead... Come on. At some point, the fanboy shit needs to take a rest, so agnostic game discussion can go down.
Sorry, just venting a bit.
Niteandgrey
Neo Member
Nobody's arguing against your "right to demand". I'm urging for heads to cool. I thought I was pretty clear about that.
Of course companies are held accountable when the company hasn't provided a fully functioning product. But I don't think Evo has done anything to lead someone to believe that it won't be functional as promised.
Once again, I don't think anything you're saying is in conflict with what I stated. I'm just urging the especially apoplectic commenters in this thread that maybe this isn't an issue worth getting terribly upset about just yet.
And good luck staying connected for more than 20 minutes.
littlegrasshopper
Member
I was going to rent this game to check it out but I guess I won't anymore after reading this thread. What a shame that this is happening.