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DX12 update for Tomb Raider out now
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RazorbackDB
Member
It does look great and more "correct" indeed, sucks it works only on maxwell but it's a step forward atleast
Reposting this here :
All hail VXAO, our new overlord.
Agreed, I'd like to have some of that VXAO in The Division and Dark Souls III.
Agreed, I'd like to have some of that VXAO in The Division and Dark Souls III.
I doubt Dark Souls III's engine is advanced enough for a high-end tech like VXAO to make any sense.
That would be like putting lipstick on a pig.
DX12 mode not working well at all here (i5-2500, gtx 970). Far lower FPS all around (including min fps) in dx12 mode.
In dx12 mode in geothermal valley on high settings I'm frequently dropping down into the 40's, in dx11 mode usually stays around 60 and rarely drops below the 60's.
In dx12 mode in geothermal valley on high settings I'm frequently dropping down into the 40's, in dx11 mode usually stays around 60 and rarely drops below the 60's.
dr_rus
Member
I'd say that they should've spent another couple of months working on the patch from the results I'm seeing: Tomb Raider Benchmark : DirectX 12 ist da, aber mehr Leistung gibt es nicht
VXAO being DX11 exclusive makes no sense either.
VXAO being DX11 exclusive makes no sense either.
Gemüsepizza
Member
Maybe the dev team is moving on, that's why they called it a day and just released the DX12 patch.
Locuza
Member
Define half-assed, but launching DX12 in such a state was pretty half-assed I would say.
Pointing at future patches doesn't mean something for right now.
Maxey
Member
I don't know how you can see the comparison image above and say that.
That's completely wrong.
If you look at this comparison, it's obvious that VXAO does a much better job at taking the complete scene structure into account when calculating the occlusion than any screen-space technique.
You might not consider the (significant) performance cost to be worth the improved effect, but that's no reason to claim that it isn't improved. Especially when it's this obvious.
SliChillax
Member
It's not like there's any advantage to DX12 so far, at least for Nvidia users.
Dictator93
Member
As expected high-end tech is not free :
Is this with an OC'd 980Ti or with Vanilla? The article sadly does not make mention on that page!
It only recommends an OC'd 980Ti for 1440p with VXAO.
Given the post-game support for this and the scaling above the xb1 version they have demonstrated in the options... I can only agree at this point. The Steam version goes above and beyond the call of duty at the moment.
Honestly, I see a pretty big improvement on my rig. Cross post from performance thread :
dr_rus
Member
Well, DX12 is basically pointless for me judging from the built-in benchmark (all max, no AA, no motion and vignette blur):
There are clear benefits when the game is CPU limited:
There are clear benefits when the game is CPU limited:
I'm not agreeing with him but I think that comparison is comparing the Ambient Occlusion at the 'On' setting to 'VXAO'. Rather than HBAO+ compared to VXAO. The difference is still going to be there of course but that particular example doesn't address his point.
Krappadizzle
Member
So have the Nvidia drivers that were causing issues with multi-monitor setups been fixed?
A Google search say's no.
A Google search say's no.
MR ARCADE FOREVER
Member
Keeps crashing here with dx12
NeoRaider
Member
I don't think that one is much better looking than the other in this comparison. But maybe it's just me.
I don't really care about AO that much, i was happy with how ON looked too.
Edit: But wait, this is ON vs. VXAO? I was talking about HBAO+ vs. VXAO so this comparison is pointless.
CybernatonEvolution
Member
Reposting this here :
All hail VXAO, our new overlord.
Why is lighting affected? It looks like the bloom's intensity increases with VXAO (it reminds me of Reshade presets).
On a side note, I wonder how VXAO stacks up with HBAO+ ultra from AC:Syndicate; are both AO methods worth the fps hit?
dr_rus
Member
Try disabling Steam's overlay. This seems to be the source of some crashes.
plagiarize
Banned
They put out another version of the drivers shortly after the ones that caused the issues. I don't know if it fixes the issues though.
ItWillGetBetter
Banned
MR ARCADE FOREVER
Member
Sorry how do I disable steam overlay?
Reposting this here :
All hail VXAO, our new overlord.
Yeah, that's a pretty significant difference on the corner to the right. I wouldn't mind that in the Enhanced Edition of TW3 whenever that comes around.
dr_rus
Member
Right click on the game in the Library, go to Properties and remove the check from "Enable the Steam overlay while in game" checkbox.
MR ARCADE FOREVER
Member
Thanks!
jim2point0
Banned
VXAO looks bloody fantastic.... but there's just no way I'd use that and take the FPS loss. I'd definitely turn it on for pretty screenshots though.
MR ARCADE FOREVER
Member
I switched to dx 12 and I don't see the new option under ambient occlusion... Where is it?
Frozone
Member
The lighting is affected because AO is a global lighting approximation. The HBAO+ obviously is wrong when you look at the bricks on the ground to the far right of the image. They should all be shadowed from the outside light (not lit by the sky). With VXAO, you can see that they are. This "miss" of shadowing is apparent in just about every game that has come out so far. It destroys realism IMO. I'm glad to see something that is at least consistent with the real world.
dr_rus
Member
DX11 and Nvidia exclusive for now.
Well this gif sold me. RIP W10 version for me. RIP HBAO+.Reposting this here :
All hail VXAO, our new overlord.
guybrushfreeman
Unconfirmed Member
New AO option is DX11 only. I still can't believe how much worse the windows store version of this is. No idea when the patch will come through and features missing. Just crazy.
TheChewyWaffles
Member
DX12?
Something like this is only really noticeable in comparison shot. Little darker patches under rocks matters nothing while playing. Better off just prebake that for better performance.
dr_rus
Member
VXAO is only available in DX11 and on a Maxwell GPU in this RotTR patch.
Yeah, I too think that this is stupid but it seems that the DX12 implementation of DXGI/VXAO isn't ready yet.
MR ARCADE FOREVER
Member
VXAO is far more accurate than the others because it is an actual 3d world space effect and not a 2d screen space effect. There is a big difference that is easy to see.
I agree that the gif wasn't the best example--I wasn't really seeing any great difference myself. I saw one, but different, not better--but this comparison you posted is actually leagues better. You can make out the individual slats on the cabin closer to the right on the screen and there's actual shadows under the cabin closer to the center.
Not something worth the performance hit, and there's something about it only being available on Maxwell--forward--let alone Nvidia that really bugs me, but that's a real tangible diff.
NeoRaider
Member
I still think that it's not worth losing 15 or more fps compared to HBAO+, sorry.
plagiarize
Banned
Three GPUs here. I've got the frames to spare. VXAO for me. I was really amazed with it testing it out the other day.
I'd still like to see them getting mGPU and VXAO up and working in DX12 though. The steam version I'm using is on a shared steam library. I own the windows store version and I'm way further through it.
dr_rus
Member
VXAO impact compared to HBAO+ changes depending on the resolution you're using.
Yeah it's a great technology, but the hardware to support it it's not here yet
VXAO is perfectly usable on 980Ti cards. If you're willing to lower some other settings then you should be able to hit 60 fps in 1080p on 970/980 with VXAO as well. So I don't see how "the h/w is not here yet".