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[hal9001]

You can literally smell that casual gamer sweat.

 

[TurkishDLite]

I feel like they got the worst people to demonstrate it. Who are those girls?

 

[szaromir]

I played a terrible game using a controller once. It means controllers are shit and have no application whatsoever.

 

[BritBloke916]

I played a terrible game using a controller once. It means controllers are shit and have no application whatsoever.

Ah, but conventional controllers have widely been proven precise and effective; Kinect 1, not so much. So Kinect 2 has it all to prove and will inevitably face some scepticism given its heritage.

 

[maquiladora]

I played a terrible game using a controller once. It means controllers are shit and have no application whatsoever.

You're in luck, this doesn't use a controller so there's no risk of that happening here.

 

[QaaQer]

I could imagine a tactical style fighting game with Kinect, kind of like a bushido blade game but with boxing instead. But this game looks like it will be a flailing mess with cinematic blows peppered in.

I would totally buy and Xbone just for a good boxing sim.

 

[BlazingDarkness]

Kinect is good. Ubisoft just made a shit game.

Kinect is good for what, exactly?
What brilliant, unique Kinect games have we seen?
All indications point to Kinect continuing to be fuckin' pointless this generation.

 

[cyberheater]

Kinect is good for what, exactly?
What brilliant, unique Kinect games have we seen?
All indications point to Kinect continuing to be fuckin' pointless this generation.

My kids love kinect.

 

[BlazingDarkness]

My kids love kinect.

So Kinect is good for kids.

 

[CambriaRising]

Okay. Which part of the Xbox One system grabs the data. Turns it into a skeletal frame with drawn wires between the movement points. Turns that into graphics data and then sends that to the GPU?

I told you to substantiate the claim and you asked me a question about filters. Okay.

 

[cyberheater]

I told you to substantiate the claim and you asked me a question about filters. Okay.

You said both vids were coming directly from the kinect sensor so there wouldn't be any lag between them. I've just shown you that you are wrong.

 

[Can Crusher]

This game is going to be a hit at 10 year old's birthday parties.

 

[CambriaRising]

You said both vids were coming directly from the kinect sensor so there wouldn't be any lag between them. I've just shown you that you are wrong.

No you didn't. You asked me a question about how filters worked, not proved that both captures were not from the Kinect itself or that one was not placed next to it after the fact. You have not proven anything at all with that video or otherwise. You are merely trying to shut down discussion about this new evidence that the Kinect 2.0 may not be mitigating the latency problem.

 

[cyberheater]

So Kinect is good for kids.

Given that most of the current crop of Kinect games are squarely aimed at kids. Yes.

I'm guessing that MS is trying to involve that with the new technology to allow finer control for more adult oriented gameplay.

 

[QaaQer]

So Kinect is good for kids.

yes, x1000. But so is kinect 1, wiimotes, trips to the zoo, & hanging out in the backyard with friends. Kids have fun with just about anything that isn't homework.

 

[cyberheater]

No you didn't. You asked me a question about how filters worked, not proved that both captures were not from the Kinect itself or that one was not placed next to it after the fact. You have not proven anything at all with that video or otherwise. You are merely trying to shut down discussion about this new evidence that the Kinect 2.0 may not be mitigating the latency problem.

You said.

What? That is from the kinect's pov, of course it wouldn't show the lag.

And I'm saying that the skeletal animation shown in the video is not the raw output of Kinect. The data has been processed by XBO and converted to video. It is not 'from the kinect's pov'.

 

[Cha]

Here's another youtube link for others that are having problems with the other links in this thread. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYctLfM7ufA

Can't really judge the input lag with all the flailing. Maybe later we'll get some better video and a better demonstration of the game.

 

[TrojanBlade]

Here's another youtube link for others that are having problems with the other links in this thread. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYctLfM7ufA

Can't really judge the input lag with all the flailing. Maybe later we'll get some better video and a better demonstration of the game.

Really you can't see how shitty it is in this video?

That was pathetic and hilarious ... Looks as bad as current kinect... Honestly I am surprised it being this bad

 

[Coolwhip]

hahah

This game is going to be a hit at 10 year old's birthday parties.

Until they realise that if they would face eachother while kicking and punching it becomes a lot more interesting.

 

[SolidusDave]

A 1:1 fighting game wouldn't be good anyway, only real martial artists would be able to produce nice-looking fights (and even then it's not sure : real sport fights are not as pretty as those in kung-fu flicks).
For a game, you still need the "simple input = cool looking move onscreen" rule, so your moves won't appear untouched. If they were, you would see a catfight between the two girls on the screen, instead of a Thai boxer Vs a Shaolin girl or whatever.

There should be at least an optional true 1:1 mode (if technically feasible) though.

The Fight for PS3 is (lag-free) 1:1 and was a lot of fun because of it (if you know how to throw boxing punches). Also better for the "training effect" they are advertising here.

 

[Bishop89]

Now imagine what they could have done with 2 Billion dollars in investments!

 

[szaromir]

Ah, but conventional controllers have widely been proven precise and effective; Kinect 1, not so much. So Kinect 2 has it all to prove and will inevitably face some scepticism given its heritage.

Eh, I do think directly controlling an avatar with gestures/body movement is a bad idea. However, I think it can work great to compliment the controller - the console can analyze your facial expressions, posture, noise in your room etc. - such nifty touches could enhance the game.

conventional controllers have widely been proven precise and effective

Not in all applications though. Playing an RTS with a controller is a torture, but it doesn't mean it's completely useless. That's my point.

 

[Satchel]

The VG Leaks info gives us hard data.

It's improved. It's still not good.

Actually the Kinect Sports Rivals video from shows its greatly improved.

This abomination is on Ubisoft, not Kinect 2.

 

[Claude Kenni]

Are we absolutely sure that the TV used in that gif is correctly setup for gaming? People are taking that gif at face value when the TV could have input lag.

It's a pretty big distinction whether the TV is suffering from lag or the Kinect and we should be sure rather than assume it's the Kinect. I don't recall other examples of the Kinect 2 shown being that laggy.

 

[PhatSaqs]

I'm probably the only person in the world that enjoyed (and finished) Fighters Uncaged. I just might pick this up

 

[Derrick01]

Seriously, Kinect is not for games

.

One day people will learn this instead of constantly hoping that a device that has no buttons will all of a sudden become good with games.

 

[GayForMaster]

Aw the vid doesn't work. I really wanted to see this shitty game.

Edit: Whoops, found a link.

Wow this game looks like fucking garbage~! lol! Are those 2 actually enjoying themselves?

 

[LordBaztion]

The recognition works fine most of the time, or at least looks like it does, the problem is the terrible game. They shouldn't be trying to make this kind of games that let the player move freely, games should be some kind of real time strategy brawler where the played follows the game and not viceversa.

Here is another link http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x13dh9n_videogames?ref=nf

 

[Sats]

Kinect is good for what, exactly?
What brilliant, unique Kinect games have we seen?
All indications point to Kinect continuing to be fuckin' pointless this generation.

Kinect has the best version of Just Dance

 

[bishoptl]

$100 well spent. Is "lazy devs" the defence du jour now? ::

Just drop this gimmick camera so we can all move forward.

 

[Alx]

I'm probably the only person in the world that enjoyed (and finished) Fighters Uncaged. I just might pick this up

Is it really playable ? I only watched movies of it on youtube and it looked really bad.

 

[Dr. Kaos]

VG Leaks state the latency for Kinect 2.0 is:-

That video is more like 500ms. Something is seriously wrong.

Kinect 1: 90ms of INNER kinect latency + 150+ ms outside processing (by the console and game software).

Kinect 2: 60 ms of INNER kinect latency + XXX+ ms outside processing (by the console and game software).

Kinect 1 vas very laggy. Kinect 2 is very laggy too. Them's the breaks.

I believe that's why Sony didn't pack in a PSeye in every system. These things are an order of magnitude too slow for human reflexes.

 

[SenjutsuSage]

Kinect 4 will be the one guys.

How much of this is Kinect 2 vs Ubisoft I wonder.

Kinect 2.0 works fantastically in Kinect Sports Rivals apparently. It might just be Ubisoft's game.

 

[Ricerocket]

Huge latency, or am I mistaken? Look at the right player:

With that much lag I wouldn't even bother releasing that game. That is REALLY bad. But there is time to fix I suppose.

 

[bud]

You can see from this video that the latency is indeed almost zero.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdviGrPaQDQ

So It's really up to the developers to write efficient algorithms to convert that skeletal data to controller input.

At this point. I'm going to say. If I see significant lag in Kinect games. I'm going to blame the developer and not the hardware.

there's noticeable latency here:

Like this?

Not even just a skeleton. That's the video that made me a believer in the hardware.

and none of these demonstration videos seem to be showing how kinect will cope faster, more sudden movements like the ones shown in the fighting game in the op.

 

[ced]

Holy fucks that was bad.

 

[maquiladora]

$100 well spent. Is "lazy devs" the defence du jour now? ::

Just drop this gimmick camera so we can all move forward.

.

 

[BruiserBear]

See, people just don't understand. If Kinect is packed in with every console, and required to be plugged in at all times, the lag will be improved. You just have to have a little faith people.

 

[AngelsDontBurn]

Dat Ubisoft.

 

[Alpha_eX]

It's not 1:1, you have to trigger moves. Not sure why people insist on doing fighting games with visual triggers, looks awful and laggy because of the animations have to run into the move from idle after sensing the input.

 

[Zatoichi's Cane]

Wtf was that?

Kinnect less sku, ASAP.

 

[Bgamer90]

Let's judge a whole device on one game!

Smart! Very smart! (Magnavox)

 

[Alpha_eX]

Wtf was that?

Kinnect less sku, ASAP.

Game is not 1:1

 

[eznark]

$100 well spent. Is "lazy devs" the defence du jour now? ::

Just drop this gimmick camera so we can all move forward.

Fap-boxing games are the future you Ludditic button masher.

 

[Garrett 2U]

Both sides shown on that video are from the Kinect's point of view, meaning it wouldn't show any lag. You'd need a video that showed the skeletal demonstration, but with a separate camera showing the person doing the motions so you can see any input lag.

Here you go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01y1vXBl1-8#t=4m25s

Fighter Within seems to queue actions based on your movement, because the lag seen in that game is certainly not from Kinect's calculations.

and none of these demonstration videos seem to be showing how kinect will cope faster, more sudden movements like the ones shown in the fighting game in the op.

My link above shows the latency of Kinect calculating their skeleton and force model, both of which would be used in the fighting game.

 

[PhatSaqs]

Is it really playable ? I only watched movies of it on youtube and it looked really bad.

It's playable but I can see how someone would give it 5 minutes and write it off. It has a surprising amount of depth to it if you give it a real chance.

 

[RetroStu]

Awful, absolutely god awful and i will never get how some people like playing games like this. Those 2 girls looked like a right pair of twats playing this.
Also why is it 2D, you would think it would be some stupid first person view if its Kinect.

 

[SwiftDeath]

See, people just don't understand. If Kinect is packed in with every console, and required to be plugged in at all times, the lag will be improved. You just have to have a little faith people.

But if it the lag (or even just a significant portion of it) is due to the hardware, Can a developer really overcome it with better software?

I see no reason why it being mandatory will automatically guarantee lag improvements

 

[Various Artists]

Cant wait until it shows up at Evo. :lol

 

[Degen]

yooo Ubisoft made a fighting-- oh.