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GamesRadar: Street Fighter V's backlash proves we value quantity over quality
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Sodom is so cool though!
They killed USF4 after 6 months of support on PS4. They have too much invested in this to go back.
But I never imagined how badly they'd bungle this game's launch.
I've Played Them All Since The Original SF in the Arcade. This SF has the best fight mechanics out of all them imo.
http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2016/...ficulty-settings-story-mode-reportedly-works/
If this is to be believed (If not there no way Capcom isn't working on it now) they are working on it, what probably holding it up if true is how they incorporate FM gain into it.
Sodom is the only non-doll Alpha character that didn't make it into IV or V. He has a good shot.
Chuck Norris
Banned
Isn't the amount of content comparable to how these games would traditionally launch first on arcade?
I love the game, but personally need more time to see how it gets fleshed out before making such a statement.
but like I said, i can see this growing into my favorite SF ever.
F0rneus
Tears in the rain
No, these games all have Arcade mode as the strict minimum. SFV doesn't.
NoctisVsStar
Member
GootecksShimmy
Banned
Why not both?
Game can't be quality without quantity...
Game can't be quality without quantity...
I don't know, although I would expect a significant design change.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
Its already my favorite fighter in a long time, possibly since 3S. The stuff I want is in (local vs, a solid training mode and online vs) but I can see the frustrations if people are more single player focused.
No, I completely disagree.
I'm staying away from SFV until it has enough content to justify the pricetag. I've been watching and reading the user feedback on multiple sites and Steam. Based on what I've seen, the backlash proves that people will voice their concern when you release a half-assed undercooked "let's get as much money as possible as quick as possible" product. It's ignorant to claim people value quantity over quality when the quality of the product (e.g. The "dicey" servers) is poor. That's like saying people disliked a cake because it wasn't big enough when the frosting tasted like spicy manure and the serving plates were dirtier than a crackhouse.
SFV is an astonishingly poor release for a major franchise. It's embarassing for everyone involved; it's a black eye for Capcom as the developer, Sony as the financier, and the vocal FGC that has (predictably) emerged with the old and terribly misguided non-inclusive "filthy casuals" rhetoric. I'm trying to figure out how the game launched in it's current state. Did Capcom run out of money during development? Did Sony fail to realize that they were financing half a game? Did both companies just say "F*ck it" and released it in a poor state, knowing that they'll be able to hit their sales numbers with or without positive feedback?
This will come across as preachy, but I hope this generation of gaming doesn't devolve into "Ehhhhh we'll patch it later". For the sake of keeping these machines interesting for both casual and hardcore consumers, I hope the future software launches are not as poor as the launches for SFV, Driveclub, Destiny etc. I think the worst thing that could happen this gen is to have major companies like Sony and Capcom getaway with shipping $60 products that are more akin to weekend Beta's and Early Access releases. This stuff really has to stop.
I'm staying away from SFV until it has enough content to justify the pricetag. I've been watching and reading the user feedback on multiple sites and Steam. Based on what I've seen, the backlash proves that people will voice their concern when you release a half-assed undercooked "let's get as much money as possible as quick as possible" product. It's ignorant to claim people value quantity over quality when the quality of the product (e.g. The "dicey" servers) is poor. That's like saying people disliked a cake because it wasn't big enough when the frosting tasted like spicy manure and the serving plates were dirtier than a crackhouse.
SFV is an astonishingly poor release for a major franchise. It's embarassing for everyone involved; it's a black eye for Capcom as the developer, Sony as the financier, and the vocal FGC that has (predictably) emerged with the old and terribly misguided non-inclusive "filthy casuals" rhetoric. I'm trying to figure out how the game launched in it's current state. Did Capcom run out of money during development? Did Sony fail to realize that they were financing half a game? Did both companies just say "F*ck it" and released it in a poor state, knowing that they'll be able to hit their sales numbers with or without positive feedback?
This will come across as preachy, but I hope this generation of gaming doesn't devolve into "Ehhhhh we'll patch it later". For the sake of keeping these machines interesting for both casual and hardcore consumers, I hope the future software launches are not as poor as the launches for SFV, Driveclub, Destiny etc. I think the worst thing that could happen this gen is to have major companies like Sony and Capcom getaway with shipping $60 products that are more akin to weekend Beta's and Early Access releases. This stuff really has to stop.
I view SFV like an amazing car -- the engine is fine tuned, the exterior glorious ... But it's a car with only one door. Sure, it's great for people who want to race or just show it off ... But, for most people, one door is a deal breaker -- and it's not about quality or content, its about features.
When SFV has all the features most people expect, more people will hop on.
When SFV has all the features most people expect, more people will hop on.
Opus Angelorum
Member
I don't think anyone can deny how good the core game is.
It is however fair to say the rest of the package isn't up to what people expect in regards to value.
It is however fair to say the rest of the package isn't up to what people expect in regards to value.
That doesn't say anything about Vs. CPU.
And the fact that they didn't even consider adding a basic Arcade Mode until the game released and was met with backlash just boggles my mind.
Me neither honestly, online not working day one was actually the bigger blow than the arcade mode stuff. It had both sides salty.
Who said they didn't consider it? They could have had every intention to release it but the FM issue is probably what stopped them. We'll know by how quickly they release arcade mode me thinks.
That's something one of my friends said once: "add online to anything and it becomes more enjoyable with a friend" and he's right. I played awful games that became bearable with an online buddy.
But that doesn't make the games GOOD; it just makes the social element better. It's a crutch that helps hide the flaws and lack of features in those other games we played.
I hate bringing it up over and over (wait... no I don't), but 1996's Soul Blade - which came out 20 damn years ago - set the bar for me. It wasn't just a good fighting game (and it was), but it also was BUSTING with content.
Every fighter had multiple, free costumes and colors to earn and unlock. Every character had multiple new weapons to hunt down and acquire which affected gameplay in different ways. Every single character had a robust, story-driven adventure mode with branching pathways, challenging round win conditions, and secret fights to discover. Every character had an animated, cutscene ending with interactive elements and multiple endings. Stages had day and night transitions. The game included not one, not two, but THREE soundtrack options for players to listen to. Various unlockable secrets let you experiment with and alter things like the fighting ring size and player health, giving players added challenge or a handicap. It had multiple unlockable characters, countless and dynamic modes like Team Battle, Survival, and Time Attack....
Geez, and this was a game release on the PS1 in 1996. It rocked my world.
Twenty years later, and SFV launches and it doesn't even offer 1/10th of what that dinosaur of a game offered me.
... I kind of want to replay Soul Blade right now.
I spend far more time keeping up with gaming news than the average consumer, and even I didn't know that CPUs were missing from Versus mode until Amazon had already shipped my order. I don't think I'm at fault for assuming that such a simplistic staple of Street Fighter would be included. Until Capcom patches it back in, I won't be happy with my purchase.
They will add a Vs. CPU if they add an Arcade Mode. The former requires way less effort than the latter.
Yeah this pretty much.
Article is very pretentious in it's defense of the game. Most of the player base agrees that the game sorely lacks content, despite the solid game play.
Same, especially if reviewers keep updating and capcom does yearly game of the year ones.
voodoopanda
Member
if sfv is a complete failure financially, maybe this'll be a chance to bring street fighter 3: 3rd strike out of retirement for another 10 years strong
That won't happen. If SFV fails beyond belief then every big tourney will suddenly make a Smash game their headliner.
Sumio Mondo
Member
Says the editor who probably got the game for free, as opposed to buyers who spent $60 for a f2p fighting game/unfinished game.
Even when they do add that story mode (4 months from now...and I'm going to hazard a guess it won't blow anyone away), there's still very valid complaints about broken online and controllers/fightsticks not working on PC. Matchmaking seems pretty poor as I write this, and the lobby system is pretty messed up for most people.
The backlash is completely justified. And the fact so much of the FGC has this "don't like it, don't eat!" attitude reminded me why I stopped going to local tournaments back in college.
The backlash is completely justified. And the fact so much of the FGC has this "don't like it, don't eat!" attitude reminded me why I stopped going to local tournaments back in college.
DR2K
Banned
Local demo units have vs CPU only matches. It's already been implemented just not in the core game for some reason.
trickyhero
Member
They deserve it, they pushed the game out to early and it's missing completely needed features. Direct Input should of been supported at launch, so many sticks arn't compatible which should be.
The same can be said on every article ,,, your point?
if sales are bad they'll change their shit. Money speaks louder.
I think the biggest display of ignorance to me is that this game is basically online only. And it's a Fighting Game, whose heart and soul is local multiplayer.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
abstract alien
Member
Definitely agree for the most part. I can't wait to see how terrible this story is when it hits. The current story mode is trash, just like arcade mode in every other Street Fighter. Only modes I can ever remember personally enjoying were parry training in 3s, and Trials in 4. Everything else was garbage that I had to cycle through to get to the meat of the game, Vs and Online play. I'm more irritated by the fact that I can't just have the stage music play when I get thrown into a match, as it defaults to character themes unless it's a lobby. Only themes I even want to hear are Fang and Necalli. Maybe we will get some Smash Bros style options one day.
If you are Smash Bros, then it's pretty much expected.
I didn't even know there were issues with local play. What's wrong with it? I haven't tried it yet.
What? You can play local.
It's worse than Titanfall imo. At least Titanfall was the first entry in a new IP (albeit made by industry veterans). This is Street Fighter 5, and pretty much all of the previous SF games launched with more content than this one. It's not just about the game lacking content in a vacuum or in comparison to its competitors, it's lacking in compared to earlier games in the same series.
I feel like wanting the inclusion of a simple vs. CPU mode is not asking for the game to be "packed with features"
Capcom was never very good with that... More often than not, they'd just stop making those games and keep telling Mega Man fans it was all their fault Mega Man Legends 3 got cancelled.
I don't know if Capcom has evolved past their "go big or go home" mindset yet.
Right.
Most people aren't asking for a thousand features or an 8-hour story mode or something.
They're asking for things that existed back in the 16-bit era on SNES and Sega Genesis.
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
It's not a one door car.
This is like a car that's fine for driving on the roads or racing, but doesn't have a built in blue ray player to sit in the garage and watch. Or a little button on the steering wheel that makes engine noises and screeches so you can sit in the garage and pretend you're actually driving the car.
Just played for 5 hours last night local vs. Had a 16 man tourney at our weekly gathering. It is not online only.
Absolutely nothing.
But to unlock anything you have to be online. No Characters, colors, stages, costumes, etc. If you're disconnected from their servers at any time, whatever you're doing is gone and you're booted back to the main menu.
I just wanted a fighting game with decent single and mulitplayer, the way I've always played fighting games. The game looks killer but it's not worth $60 to me right now. Someday it will be and I'll buy it then. To say that I'm acting like I'm entitled or that I don't care about quality at the expense of quantity is completely stupid and rather defensive at that.
But if every car always had those features you would probably feel slighted to pay the same price but not get those features. Not that this analogy was sound to begin with.
Also no need to mock people who just want at the least the same single player content that we usually get. Yes, I want to sit in my baby seat and pretend to play fighting games like the big boys. Really? Lol
But if every car always had those features you would probably feel slighted to pay the same price but not get those features. Not that this analogy was sound to begin with.
Also no need to mock people who just want at the least the same single player content that we usually get. Yes, I want to sit in my baby seat and pretend to play fighting games like the big boys. Really? Lol
Finally someone honest enough to admit they didn't read the article.
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