When I read the initial comments mentioning Baldwin and Gibson I wondered if he might be totally unaware as to just how far down the rabbit-hole went with Gibson. The two situations aren't analogous in the least.Gary Oldman has been one of my favorite actors for a long time but he always struck me as lacking a certain amount of social awareness from the interviews I've seen. Like when he bragged about being the highest paid actor in the world. I'm not sure he realizes how he comes across, or maybe he just doesn't care.
This apology seems stilted. And he still hasn't apologized for shitting on The Fifth Element.
Unforgivable.
Wait. What?
He also offers negative appraisals of some of his most famous roles, some of which are guaranteed to shock many fans: Sid & Nancy? "I didn't want to make it in the first place." Immortal Beloved: "I was the wrong person to play Beethoven." The Fifth Element: "Oh no. I can't bear it." He also dismissed his fan-favorite roles in the Harry Potter and Dark Knight franchises with "It was work."
This apology seems stilted. And he still hasn't apologized for shitting on The Fifth Element.
Unforgivable.
Why should he? Fifth Element was garbage.
Why should he? Fifth Element was garbage.
He doesn't like the Dark Knight too.
Get Him!
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/new...cal-Correctness-Calls-Dark-Knight-Movies-Work
He doesn't like the Dark Knight too.
Get Him!
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/new...cal-Correctness-Calls-Dark-Knight-Movies-Work
A number of people have given their thoughts earlier in the thread.So anyone want to take a shot at the question I asked about the reason behind why so many Jews are in the media ?
This actually came up in my Macroeconomics course back in college- the persecution endured by the Jewish people had a huge impact in altering what the culture valued and what professions they went into. The persecution caused them to value learned skills like that didn't require great amounts of physical capital (like farming, blacksmithing). If they had to leave, they needed a profession like medicine that they could use in the next town to earn a living. And when the technological revolution of the 18-900s took hold, those fields ended up being super super super good to be in and turned into a mass cultural upside.
Leading Hollywood movie moguls and pioneers of the studio system era where jewish: Louis B. Mayer and Samuel Goldwyn (Metro-Goldwyn Mayer MGM) William Fox (Twentieth Century Fox), Jesse L. Lasky and Adolph Zukor (Paramount Pictures), Harry Cohn (Columbia Pictures) and Marcus Loew (Loews Pictures), Harry, Albert, Sam, and Jack Warner (Warner Brothers) and Carl Laemmle the founder of Universal Studios.
He doesn't like the Dark Knight too.
Get Him!
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/new...cal-Correctness-Calls-Dark-Knight-Movies-Work
Welp, consider me convinced... that he's a racist.
"The Jewish People, persecuted thorough the ages, are the first to hear Gods voice, and surely are the chosen people."
Oh you. You left out the part about the dashing good looks, and what a genuine pleasure it is to hang out with the chosen people, whom are known for their kind and forgiving nature to questionable statements about them.
You mean 'prejudiced'. Being Jewish isn't a race like Blacks, Whites, or Asians. You can be black and be jewish, so on and so forth.
He doesn't like the Dark Knight too.
Get Him!
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/new...cal-Correctness-Calls-Dark-Knight-Movies-Work
I'm guessing his lawyer wrote all of that?
Meh, most actors hate there work so it's not shocking really.He doesn't like the Dark Knight too.
Get Him!
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/new...cal-Correctness-Calls-Dark-Knight-Movies-Work
Holy shit, someone that actually gets it. Thank you for typing this out say that I don't have to.hahaha when did he say Jews run Hollywood so they can take over the world? Are you really naive enough to think that you can jump to definitive conclusions about something someone you've never met has said in a print interview? Get real, man.
The stereotype exists because it is fundamentally true. There are a ton of Jews in power in Hollywood. No other community has a greater direct influence on the industry's production than Jews do. They're not trying to take over the world through Hollywood - that's ludicrous - and not everyone who brings their influence to light is trying to convey that outrageous message.
Gary Oldman was pointing out that Mel Gibson angered a community that held the majority of the power in Hollywood and that's why it's been tough for him to match his previous successes. That was the statement. It wasn't: "The Jewish community's attempt to take over the world through Hollywood has been criticized by Mel Gibson. Now they won't use him as an instrument anymore."
lol yes, it does. Most of the people who have an opinion on these sorts of things aren't part of the industry, though. So they're not aware how prevalent Jewish influence is within Hollywood.
The other issue is that a lot of times when people say "Jews run Hollywood" they're saying it with contempt instead of admiration.
Holy shit, someone that actually gets it. Thank you for typing this out say that I don't have to.
I'm just sick of the pitchfork culture. So many people are too ready to turn on someone for what they think the person wanted to say instead of understanding what the person actually said.
Why he actually doesn't get it at all has been adressed multiple times in this thread and in countless others so you probably did well not reiterating the same misconstruction of what has actually been said and meant.
Basically it boils down to: a number of individuals who happen to be Jewish and working for their own interest (the reality) /= an alleged "Jewish community" working for Jewish interests (the stereotype).
The self interest of individuals in an industry with a heavy tilt towards jewish executives are sufficient for there to be a significant bias for jewish interests in Hollywood.
It'd be difficult to argue otherwise. Taking the worst construction of an idea and castigating people over it... well, that's the kind of thing self-interested people do (in this case, the self interest of the self-righteous and the need to feel that sweet sweet rush of hate).
It's actually very simple to argue otherwise. What exactly are those alleged Jewish interests in Hollywood? Why, if they even exist, would automatically there be a bias?
Why would they work for the jewish community first and foremost? And why can't their private interests include interest for their jewish community?Why do you assume that Jewish executives would always act in the interest of a supposedly existing Jewish community above all things, including even their own private interests?
Why the confusion between the two? Do you also assume that someone who is gay always act first and foremost in consideration of the LGBT's interests? Same goes wih Christian, Muslims, Blacks, whoever you want...
Sweet sweet intellectually dishonesty backing up wrong and harmful stereotypes.
No, I simply assume that people that are affiliated with those groups will in some situations act in self interest in a manner that ends up benefiting those groups as a byproduct of their own self-interested action.
Fair enough. That's a very long shot from "being blacklisted by the Jewish community which runs Hollywood" though.
It's not though. It's a poor way of wording it (leaving oneself open to deliberately been misconstrued and misinterpreted)... but in practice - self interested jewish men aren't likely to be too interested in hiring a man that's made anti-semitic remarks. And when most of studios are controlled by jewish men... it's not a huge stretch to realize that even if it does arise out of simple self-interest, you make the wrong remarks and you'll be 'blacklisted' in Hollywood.
And if they're anything like normal men, they'll find it easier to hate the idea of racists and bigots than to make the effort to actually understand and forgive a person. Especially when they have external social-cultural-economic motivations to not forgive.
So basically, yeah, if you make anti-semitic remarks in Hollywood, you're going to have a hard time finding further success there.
Oldman said:Mel Gibson is in a town thats run by Jews and he said the wrong thing because hes actually bitten the hand that I guess has fed him
I hope you will know that this apology is heartfelt, genuine, and that I have an enormous personal affinity for the Jewish people in general, and those specifically in my life. The Jewish People, persecuted thorough the ages, are the first to hear God’s voice, and surely are the chosen people.
The Jewish People, persecuted thorough the ages, are the first to hear God’s voice, and surely are the chosen people.
Have you heard of the Elders of Zion ?
The Jews running the banks of the world, media and other parts of society is a decade old steorotype even used in the propaganda of the Nazis. I don't want to be mean but open a book man.
He didn't say Gibson pissed off Jewish executives who aren't too keen on antisemitic drivels, he said that the town is run by Jews (bullshit stereotype regardless of the number of Jews working there otherwise he would never have committed the Passion) and that Gibson said the wrong things because he's bitten the hand that fed him (ie they were not wrong because they were antisemitic mind you, they were wrong because they went against what he perceives are the Jewish master's policy...).
Terrible (and unequivocal) wording. Let alone the sarcastic apology that only confirms and furthers the initial impression.
He doesn't like the Dark Knight too.
Get Him!
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/new...cal-Correctness-Calls-Dark-Knight-Movies-Work
Love how Oldman shits on his most famous roles, but the current Apes movie is pretty fantastic.
What a shill.
The self interest of individuals in an industry with a heavy tilt towards jewish executives are sufficient for there to be a significant bias for jewish interests in Hollywood.
It'd be difficult to argue otherwise. Taking the worst construction of an idea and castigating people over it... well, that's the kind of thing self-interested people do (in this case, the self interest of the self-righteous and the need to feel that sweet sweet rush of hate).
I see he skipped over the stuff related to black people, hmmm.
NY is one of the big cities where judism and the ultra orthodox Hasidic Jews can practice and live in some peace.
The problem is that such a statement is inherently prejudiced. Hollywood isn't run by Jews, Hollywood is run by people, many of whom happen to be Jewish. What Oldman is implying by his statement is that being Jewish is what defines these people, and therefore they are inherently different then him and other "normal" people.