The price is too much for it to sell anything worthwhile.
You can have LE edition and still make it sell big (make it casual price-friendly), see Destiny and Arkham bundles from Sony. Or maybe don't do custom design and/or don't include season pass (Titanfall bundle, Unity bundle).
This bundle has no chance selling remotely close to the bundles above, and that's a big wasted opportunity.
Used game is actually argument in my favor, it means people don't keep games installed in their HDD.
4 free games per month is a good point but:
1) They're usually small games (in size).
2) They're not the game you keep around for ever (Indie + old BC games).
3) I'm pulling this from my ass, but I think many casual don't even bother to download these games, they just get their fix from annual games and big hyped games.
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It's $150 more. Many people don't care about the extra storage, so XB1S is effectively $299 for them.
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The market for limited expensive consoles is different to the market that would purchase the system for the lowest cost possible.
.Your price argument doesn't make sense since the Destiny bundle and the Batman bundle sold for $449 each, with the Destiny bundle selling 300k in September 2014 (was basically the main SKU in that month) and the Batman bundle sold 121k in June 2015. The Halo 5 bundle was $499 and sold 93k in October 2015.
The market for limited expensive consoles is different to the market that would purchase the system for the lowest cost possible. This bundle actually has a lot more value compared to the 3 bundles mentioned above with 2TB and $99 version of Gears 4 for $449.
Thanks for clarifying.
In regards to your point I agree that it won't sell tons (like the Destiny and Arkham examples you mentioned) I agree. So that obviously wasn't MS strategy when they did this. This is more in line with the Halo 5 console last year. And while Sony fanboys mock it, it must of made enough profit to do this or otherwise they would change their strategy very likely.
To compare this price to the lowest price S is still disingenuous as the 2TB does matter for those this was designed for and I would hope you realize that despite your agenda. The ones that want the lowest entry price will pick that and the more hardcore gamer (and more hardcore Gears) gamer will pick this LE one. They are choices being presented by MS.
But carry on........
Oh and in regards to GwG since you don't actually own an XB you probably don't realize that the GwG this year have been much more than indie and Old BC games.
In regards to your point I agree that it won't sell tons (like the Destiny and Arkham examples you mentioned) I agree. So that obviously wasn't MS strategy when they did this. This is more in line with the Halo 5 console last year. And while Sony fanboys mock it, it must of made enough profit to do this or otherwise they would change their strategy very likely.
To compare this price to the lowest price S is still disingenuous as the 2TB does matter for those this was designed for and I would hope you realize that despite your agenda. The ones that want the lowest entry price will pick that and the more hardcore gamer (and more hardcore Gears) gamer will pick this LE one. They are choices being presented by MS.
XB1:Oh and in regards to GwG since you don't actually own an XB you probably don't realize that the GwG this year have been much more than indie and Old BC games.
Killer Instinct Season 1 Ultra Edition
Zheros
Hand of Fate
Styx: Master of Shadows
Sherlock Holmes: Crimes and Punishments
Lords of the Fallen
The Wolf Among Us
Sunset Overdrive
Defense Grid 2
Costume Quest 2
Goat Simulator
The Crew
The Banner Saga 2
Tumblestone
DiRT Showdown
Deus Ex: Human Revolution
Sacred Citadel
Gears of War 2
Supreme Commander 2
Borderlands
Dead Space
Saints Row IV
Grid 2
Peggle
Super Meat Boy
XCOM: Enemy Unknown
Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Vegas 2
Tron: Evolution
Your price argument doesn't make sense since the Destiny bundle and the Batman bundle sold for $449 each, with the Destiny bundle selling 300k in September 2014 (was basically the main SKU in that month) and the Batman bundle sold 121k in June 2015. The Halo 5 bundle was $499 and sold 93k in October 2015.
The market for limited expensive consoles is different to the market that would purchase the system for the lowest cost possible. This bundle actually has a lot more value compared to the 3 bundles mentioned above with 2TB and $99 version of Gears 4 for $449.
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"Sony fanboys", "your agenda", you're funny, I don' even own a Playstation system
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The Sony fanboy comment was in general not you specifically.
And yes you have some agenda here it's pretty obvious. Since you are picking and choosing points it seems to come across that way
As for the others again we are looking at this from two different wavelengths. You are all about how this won't sell more than PS4. But saying that wasn't their intent with this particular console, it's not for the masses.
Can I just get that red color without all the silly decals?
Again with "agenda" talk? If you're not gonna argue with me in a good faith, I may as well stop replying to you because you're not gonna listen to anything I say.
Feel free to report me to mods if you think I'm shitposting.
PS4 was $400 at the time.
"The market for limited expensive consoles is different to the market that would purchase the system for the lowest cost possible", Destiny bundle says other wise. And they can offer non custom design LE bundle for maximizing sales even more.
See my EDIT.
Having an agenda isnt the same as shitposting at all. Most here have some sort of agenda in their discussions. Doesn't mean it's terrible. I'm just curious why you are refusing to discuss the concept this was designed for the more hardcore type and not the general gamer you keep using for your examples.
Also why you refuse to discuss that MS didn't make this to "outsell" PS4 that month
The only PS4 SKU was the 500GB. The limited bundles were $50 more expensive to that, just like this 2TB limited bundle is $50 more expensive than the regular 2TB.
And even then, the Halo 5 LE bundle was $499. The cheapest XB1 SKU was $349. The Halo 5 bundle still sold 91k in 2 weeks, and that was "$150 more".
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TL;DR: I'm not avoiding it, more like it's irrelevant to my point.
Maybe they only produced 100K of these?And how many people will look at it that way? I bet no so many, most casuals will see it as $150 more expensive.
inb4 "you always wrong in your bets".
91K is low, they could have sold shit a lot more if Halo 5 SKU was $349/$399.
You can get a current Xbox One + $50 Gift Card + Halo 5 + Rainbow Six Siege + Extra Controller + Free Laptop + Student Loan Assistance + Free Trip to Vegas all for around $279 currently.
I'm really not seeing the justification for a $449 price tag.
To start with we have different views over the use of the term agenda and I'll leave it at that. I want to clarify I don't think you are shit posting.
Now for your other points I had the same questions when the Halo 5 bundle came out last year. It did not make any sense at all to me at the time. My guess is that what ever their strategy was it must've worked satisfactorily enough to do it again with this Gears bundle. They may have discovered that this is their best way to maximize profit as to be frank there's no way that they're ever going to outsell Sony this generation.
And just like what they did with Halo 5 probably about this time next summer is when will see a cheaper bundle that includes gears of war is for for the people who don't have to buy it day one and want to lower entry price.
They can't outsells Sony so what they're doing is staggered releases in order to maximize the profits off their two biggest franchises possible
EDIT; oh and when did I say I really hated a cheaper SKU. For someone acting offended over this discussion that's an odd statement and commentary
I'm really not seeing the justification for a $449 price tag.
Then MS clearly has weird way to show they care about profits in hardware. This year alone XB1 deals were absolutely crazy whether it's free games, gift cards, temporarily price cuts, real official price cuts... You name it.
And how many people will look at it that way? I bet no so many, most casuals will see it as $150 more expensive.
inb4 "you always wrong in your bets".
EDIT: I remembered, Titanfall bundle sold much much better even though it was priced the same, meaning the price of the cheapest SKU matters.
91k isn't low for a $499 limited bundle. That 91k was 30% of all XB1's sold in October. How is that not good for a limited bundle that cost's $150 more than the cheapest option?91K is low, they could have sold shit a lot more if Halo 5 SKU was $349/$399.
It has fake scratches?
Price cuts always happen.....so for those they did what every console mft has ever done? And that's weird to you? Um, okay.........don't know what your point is here but to pile on a negative connotation.
There have been some good deals and frankly there are crazy deals now......but the ones now make sense as the S is coming out.
Maybe they are also trying to do a balancing act? Need to maximize profit off the hardcore Gears fanbase to help subsidize these wacky price cuts?
The casuals don't buy these things if they are limited. They always sell less compared to the normal SKU's because they are meant to be a premium item for a premium price. Microsoft knows Gears of War 4 will sell consoles at $299 and they know there is market for premium consoles for a much higher price. They are still selling consoles, just some of them are being sold for a higher cost.
Who would choose the $499 XB1 when there is a $499 Titanfall bundle? It was a replacement meant to be a "PLEASE BUY THIS" bundle. How does that mean the cheapest SKU matters? It was literally the better SKU.
91k isn't low for a $499 limited bundle. That 91k was 30% of all XB1's sold in October. How is that not good for a limited bundle that cost's $150 more than the cheapest option?
Also, that didn't stop a consumer from buying a $349 XB1 with Halo 5. Why would MS give away Halo 5 at launch to new consumers? They want to make money and they did when consumers bought a $349 bundle along with Halo 5 and even more with the $499 Halo 5 bundle.
Besides the desperate Titanfall bundle, game bundles at launch are always more expensive than the standard SKU. This has happened for years, and MS has always had very expensive console bundles.
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Valid points. I had many of the same questions and thoughts last fall with the Halo 5 bundle.
For whatever reason their rationale for doing it and the results then must have done well enough to justify them doing it again.
Funny thing is everyone hated on the last Gears LE system, but we sold a ton of them when I was still in retail (the red 360).
MS has put out so many good looking LE consoles bro
I guess, they have more data and market research than anything I can even dream to have and they have analysts with experience than me, so I may be well not be wrong. However some times they don't make the best business decisions, and I really think Halo 5 and this year Gears 4 are one of these times
Here's something they can do, keep this premium SKU and have another a bit more Normal SKU but bundled with gears.
If MS gave Titanfall a limited bundle, it would've been $549. I think it would've done about the same as it did in reality, which was 218k. The regular no game SKU would have done much worse though.Do you think it was No game 500GB SKU + $650 (or $600) Titanfall bundle the sales would be the same?
Similar question: Imagine this bundle was priced at $350-$300, you think the sales outcome will close to it being $450?
There were $349 bundles consumers picked up that could've also gotten Halo 5 with the purchase for $409.98. Consumers could've also purchased the $399 1TB SKU's and then spend a total of $459.98. Why would MS make a bundle that limits spending options when they can get an additional $10 - $60 when consumers buy them separately?91K is good for $499, but it's not good if you can a $400 option and make it sell +150K easy. Again MS could easily sold much better if they made Halo 5 bundle more affordable to people.
Sony would have to justify the cost of it being $150 more than the $399 500GB, but even then, no it wouldn't sell as much. They would clearly want it to be a special package. However, those sales would transfer to the $399 SKU anyway.Another question for you: Say Sony made Destiny bundle $550, you think it would have sold +500K in NPD? Remember, people at the time had an option buy the normal PS4 + Destiny for price of $460 (close to $450)
If it were a 500GB bundle, sure. This isn't that though. It is meant to be a premium package that the hardcore will buy. Even then, this bundle is a pretty good one when it comes to value.Just do $350 Gears bundle? You don't need to go all the way to $450.
It wouldn't be the first time.
MS loves fake damage.
Can't believe how MS still hasn't learn nothing about it's overpriced bundles.
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