So basically trying to make iRacing with GT branding?
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GT Sport will likely not feature traditional offline events
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So basically trying to make iRacing with GT branding?
They could, but didn't to signify the change of focus for this game.
Which is disappointing to many GT fans. They are now competing with the PC sims and losing what made the GT games so popular in the first place.
Bumping for whatever page this post is on. Doesn't deserve to not be seen.
TylerDurden4321
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yes. But with iRacing's subscription cost, they usually never have the crash-on-purpose assholes in their crowd...
GT Sports advantage would be higher player base (lower waiting times) and most of all it's less intimidating. The better 98% of players in the iRacing community are already pretty good!
7DollarHagane
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The typical "online focused game should be f2p" opinion that this out of touch minority of the market has. More games are moving to this and it's working out and selling well.
TylerDurden4321
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they have ~60,000 subscribers at the moment and if it's not your first year, a year of subscription is $100. Also most content is not free with that subscription (new car ~$10).
Banjo-Kazooie
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No wonder they did an info blowout pre conference. Shame.
And is not disappointing to many other GT fans. I was bored to tears by GT5, didn't touch GT6 and am excited by how GT Sport plans to revolutionize the online side of racing games with the FIA integration, organized championships etc.
But without the subscription system? Like GTS will be?
I also read that the online collision system penalises both players in a crash, regards of fault.
Sounds like a griefers wet dream.
The response has been almost entirely negative towards it so not sure how many prefer this approach tbh.
Pretty much exactly how I see it. Except that at least PD's handling it better than capcom and being completely upfront about what's included and talking about each game mode in depth. Imagine if they had just said "there's a campaign mode in this game" and left it at that.
Like SFV, I think it's a joke to ask $60 upfront for this as well.
TylerDurden4321
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They won't get the best players in the world, if they don't allow all the gear those guys already have.
The G27 that doesn't work on the PS4 is still the most widespread racing wheel and in a poll on Inside Sim Racing, over 20% of users have more expensive Fanatec wheels or pedals, which also are currently not supported by first party Sony titles.
I've read plenty of positive impressions from people who have actually played the game. You've read too many reactionary forum posts from a loud minority with no actual first hand experiences.
That's because most complaints are about the feature set, not the actual driving. I don't think too many people are worried about the driving model.
sems4arsenal
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If Arcade mode is like PCARS's race weekend than this is good enough, they are doing something similar to the seasonals looks like so yeah not too bad.
I'm sure the driving model is still great but you don't need first hand experience to know that there being so little cars and having no real single player is a huge bummer
I've only read positive things about the driving in the game, has nothing to do with how those people feel about the direction PD is trying to go to, in regards to the content offerings/modes/online focus and not including the traditional offline events.
MasterMongoose
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I really hope this game is a quality racing game. I think it can still be solid without dynamic rain and lengthy career mode- that career mode stuff really isn't selling racing games anymore (look at Forza's current gen sales, nothing special).
FM3: 5.5 million
FM4: 4.6 million
FM5: 2 million
FM6: 1.5 million
Easy to see diminishing return on "this type of game." Even when FM6 was much higher quality than FM5. GT6 was right between FM4/5 in terms of sales, which is when it launched too. I just hope the game is good and they don't try to subsidize it too badly with microtransactions (I know they'll be in there, just to what extent).
I am super bummed at 137 cars though. A game like this really needs to be around 400, especially with all of the easily replaceable (to me anyways) formula cars. If I can't buy it in a showroom hypothetically, I honestly do not care about it. Just takes away from the fun of it all to me. Instead we'll see 3 cars from every manufacturer and 6 variants of the Nissan Skyline and Honda Civic Si...
FM3: 5.5 million
FM4: 4.6 million
FM5: 2 million
FM6: 1.5 million
Easy to see diminishing return on "this type of game." Even when FM6 was much higher quality than FM5. GT6 was right between FM4/5 in terms of sales, which is when it launched too. I just hope the game is good and they don't try to subsidize it too badly with microtransactions (I know they'll be in there, just to what extent).
I am super bummed at 137 cars though. A game like this really needs to be around 400, especially with all of the easily replaceable (to me anyways) formula cars. If I can't buy it in a showroom hypothetically, I honestly do not care about it. Just takes away from the fun of it all to me. Instead we'll see 3 cars from every manufacturer and 6 variants of the Nissan Skyline and Honda Civic Si...
Neuromancer
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It's a little disappointing but as long as I can create my own single races with AI and pick time of day and weather conditions I'll be happy.
There's been articles from people going to the London event covering the online feature set of GT Sport and what's exciting about it.
You have a right to be bummed about that, but the name of the game should already have signaled to you that you should have expected this change in focus.
Opus Angelorum
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I feel this official thread title might be relevant by the time of release:
Gran Turismo Sport [OT] Cars sold separately
Gran Turismo Sport [OT] Cars sold separately
wowbaggerBR
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Yes, but a little bit worse.
TylerDurden4321
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The thing is, you just read really superficial stuff about the handling and it's coming from GT fans (some of which surely have a valid and balanced perspective, but others won't).
What I've seen from how the car behaves after losing traction, the handling still looks a lot like GT. The tire squeal and when it sets in, suggests the same imo.
In terms of physic-authenticity this game can't compete with Assetto Corsa, iRacing or the ISI-based sims. Which is not good, if you want to attract the best racers out there.
NullPointer
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Kinda agree with this, but that'll depend upon if there's any unlocks or virtual currencies that might be required and how you go about getting them.
If you have full access to all of the goodies in arcade mode I'll miss the sense of progression a career mode provides, but if the racing is good enough and I can set up interesting events I doubt I'd miss that for long.
Glorified G
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Some contenders for the GT Sport OT title.
As someone who spends all their time in single player. My two most anticipated games this year were Street Fighter V & GT Sport.
I'm an idiot.
You won't be able to even do that.
Gran Turismo Sport Will Not Feature Dynamic Time or Weather
If it wasn't for PSVR I wouldn't even bother with this until it hit the bargain bin.
Bitch Pudding
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More like between FM3/4.
First of all, GT6 is at 4.71 million now, so it's surpassed FM4. And GT6 was in the weird position where the PS4 had come out a month before it did and there were rumors going around about a possible port which led to people skipping it (including myself)
Furthermore, current gen Forza also has the factors of the Xbox One not being terribly popular outside the US (where a big chunk of the market lies for these games), mix that with there being more competition, and there being minimal improvements with each iteration, consistently getting criticized for still not implementing stuff GT5 had did (which now GT Sport is getting criticized for as well). And you get why Forza sales have dipped greatly.
I have no doubt in my mind that GT Sport is going to sell poorly compared to past GTs, but it isn't going to be because the market isn't there anymore or that's the trend, it'll be because of the cutbacks they have done, the shift in focus, plus there being more competition.
Opus Angelorum
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It will still sell over 1 million due to the brand and core game (see SFV).
Neuromancer
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I am pretty certain there are weather and time of day options. Dynamic means it won't change during the course of the race like it does in Driveclub for example. It's not ideal but it's certainly better than nothing.
Hmm good point. I wonder how they'll handle that. If memory serves in past GT games everything in Arcade mode was fully unlocked but it's been a while since I played 6.
TylerDurden4321
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All of Master mongoose's numbers are wrong (Forza 2-4 too high, GT6 too low) and none of you consider how freaking much VIP- and season passes Forza 6 has sold (I spend 132€ already on that thing, and I don't even have the NASCAR stuff). Then there is half-a-year-later discounted price thing (which in some cases is not even half a sale in $$).
Talking with GT and Forza fans about sales is terrible, it shouldn't come up in threads about offline events, graphics or dynamic track conditions.
Talking with GT and Forza fans about sales is terrible, it shouldn't come up in threads about offline events, graphics or dynamic track conditions.
PodcastFips
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You will be able to pick conditions before starting a race in Arcade Mode, they just won't change during the race.
TylerDurden4321
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No, you only have access to about 40-50 cars and can't change the setup or tune them (some them are rally expensive though and it's a nice selection).
But I bet you will have access to everything in GTS's offline arcade mode from the start.
travisbickle
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The recent demo at the live event had more content than GT Prologue.
Glorified G
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I was focused on the weather part when linking that thread
OP:
I don't believe there will be any rain effects.
Fox Mulder
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Me either. Ive been an Xbox fan and love forza, but got the ps4 mostly because driveclub was amazing and I was interested in playing GT again.
Sony killed Driveclub and got rid of Evolution, which bums me out. Now GT looks disappointing as fuck. I wonder if Sony will drop the same hammer on PD for their development issues.
Valkyr1983
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How's Sf5 selling?
Exactly.
funkystudent
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TBH this would have made decent launch game.
But 3 years since the last GT game? Lol.
But 3 years since the last GT game? Lol.
Unknown?
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Man you all about everything. It isn't any worse, it's just different. I love how everyone was making a call for change and now that it's different, you all are bitching.