http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xX4VA-rad08
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eSG04ThpSQ
Yes, mods, but the mods are only tweaking .ini values so it's still within the engines capabilities.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xX4VA-rad08
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eSG04ThpSQ
Yes, mods, but the mods are only tweaking .ini values so it's still within the engines capabilities.
Apocryphon
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Like the hat?
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Shiny, but still looks nice. I'm sure great stuff could be done with it depending on the artists.
BassForever
Member
Both this and Agni look great, but I feel like my ears when it comes to dolbi 5.1 surround sound I really don't see much in terms of huge graphical leaps over stuff I'm currently playing. The stuff I can see looks a lot more extra icing on the cake (particles and the light reflections and such) but I'm not sure if in the middle of gameplay I'll even notice little things like that. Still impressive and games using these engines probably won't be out til 2014-2015
BlazingDarkness
Member
Everything still looks like it's slathered in vaseline, and the geometry and the models and whatnot look flat
It's like they've put loads of effort in creating all of the impressive effects but outside of that it looks just alright
Again though, hundreds of games will make use of it so can't really hate on it
It's like they've put loads of effort in creating all of the impressive effects but outside of that it looks just alright
Again though, hundreds of games will make use of it so can't really hate on it
walking fiend
Member
and that's not only it. One of the most impressive things shown, imho, is those statues.
I haven't seen gold and silver ever looking that good in a game
Honestly, i'm a little disappointed in the UE4 elemental demo.
Granted, its only available on crappy youtube quality at the moment.
but rein once said to shacknews that the samaritan demo would look like crap in comparison.
and i cant say i agree with that now after the fact.
Granted, its only available on crappy youtube quality at the moment.
but rein once said to shacknews that the samaritan demo would look like crap in comparison.
and i cant say i agree with that now after the fact.
yeah all the moder engines have particle effects, but doing what UE4 is doing would have killed performances.
This is why we haven't seen a lot of particles in current gen games.
For example Raytrcing exists from years, most of the work in games is make games looks like reality on the available hardware.
Now we know what UE4 can do, I'm waiting for Crytek reply which I hope will be a lot better than CE 3.4
I think we can expect something at gamescom.
Apocryphon
Member
Well perhaps it wasn't the best example, though I think the bloom helps sell the steam.
The first section of this video shows the most recent additions to UE3's particle system. You might not care for the engine, but it does do some stuff better than CryEngine and nobody will claim that the UE3.x Samaritan demo wasn't impressive.
Wildstar75
Member
Samaritan seemed more impressive.
I don't care for that bathhouse very much.
I do feel like Epic should hire some UDK modders, or have some small team that works on some sort of game, rather than making pure tech demos like Samaritan and the Elemental stuff, assuming those never make it into a game.
Because no matter how advanced the engine is, people are going to see the monster and say that doesn't look as good as an old man or a pretty princess. They will see a cave and say that doesn't look as nice as an island environment with palm or pine trees. Or they will say things look too shiny if they show off light bouncing or reflections.
That's how I feel, at least. I hope some version of this engine becomes available to hobbyists to see what people do with it.
Personally, I'm afraid it won't happen or will be another 3 years or so, because how powerful it would be with C++ etc.
I do feel like Epic should hire some UDK modders, or have some small team that works on some sort of game, rather than making pure tech demos like Samaritan and the Elemental stuff, assuming those never make it into a game.
Because no matter how advanced the engine is, people are going to see the monster and say that doesn't look as good as an old man or a pretty princess. They will see a cave and say that doesn't look as nice as an island environment with palm or pine trees. Or they will say things look too shiny if they show off light bouncing or reflections.
That's how I feel, at least. I hope some version of this engine becomes available to hobbyists to see what people do with it.
Personally, I'm afraid it won't happen or will be another 3 years or so, because how powerful it would be with C++ etc.UnblessedSoul
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The demo was pretty mediocre, the walkthrough however impressed me
dragonelite
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I said to project members it was like a wet dream to design and make something like that and in way too inexperienced to tackle something like that.
Metroid-Squadron
Banned
Volumetric particles with fluid simulation (and shadow casting) vs sprites
Yeah, CE3 wins -_-'
From what we've seen, UE4 is far beyond CE3 in lighting, physics, shaders, particles and terrain.
while impressive in its own right - thats not even close to what ue4 is doing with particles.
with the lava flow, I assume that is real-time dynamic liquid flow. Is that correct?
If it is, I wonder if it will be good enough without the need for a dev to buy a dedicated solution for that like the tool used in that sinking ship game. Also, were the falling and crumbling stones physics based? It certainly felt like it.
I absolutely LOVED the FX. Finally, fire looks like fire. My heart skipped a beat looking at the mountain terrain (immediately imagines ace combat). I wish they showed more like physics, cloth animation, hair, etc.
One pet peeve I hoped the current gen will fix but didn't is not having 'dark' textures. I REALLY hope UE4 and next gen will fix this. dark textures is part of the reason why I like the first Crysis game's look. What I mean by 'dark' is that games, even in a gritty dark setting, still look to have very bright textures that make games look like a cartoon or a kids animation. Killzone came close to fixing this. At some parts, Crysis did it well, at others it was a good try. Semaritan showed potential.
If it is, I wonder if it will be good enough without the need for a dev to buy a dedicated solution for that like the tool used in that sinking ship game. Also, were the falling and crumbling stones physics based? It certainly felt like it.
I absolutely LOVED the FX. Finally, fire looks like fire. My heart skipped a beat looking at the mountain terrain (immediately imagines ace combat). I wish they showed more like physics, cloth animation, hair, etc.
One pet peeve I hoped the current gen will fix but didn't is not having 'dark' textures. I REALLY hope UE4 and next gen will fix this. dark textures is part of the reason why I like the first Crysis game's look. What I mean by 'dark' is that games, even in a gritty dark setting, still look to have very bright textures that make games look like a cartoon or a kids animation. Killzone came close to fixing this. At some parts, Crysis did it well, at others it was a good try. Semaritan showed potential.
The effects in Star Wars 1313 looked pretty impressive too and that's running on UE3.
Jason's Ultimatum
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Honestly, I wasn't impressed with the elemental demo, though moreso with Samaritan.
Also, was I the only person who thought it was funny to keep hearing over and over again from EPIC that UE4 and the demos are what they 'hope' to achieve for next gen games? I mean, if they're bugging Sony and MS to make their consoles powerful, then there doesn't seem to be a lot of optimism.
The fun part in all of this is waiting. I love Sony first party titles, and imagining Uncharted 4 on PS4 makes me giggle like a school girl, but if next gen consoles aren't all that impressive, then for the first time I'll try out PC gaming.
Also, was I the only person who thought it was funny to keep hearing over and over again from EPIC that UE4 and the demos are what they 'hope' to achieve for next gen games? I mean, if they're bugging Sony and MS to make their consoles powerful, then there doesn't seem to be a lot of optimism.
The fun part in all of this is waiting. I love Sony first party titles, and imagining Uncharted 4 on PS4 makes me giggle like a school girl, but if next gen consoles aren't all that impressive, then for the first time I'll try out PC gaming.
GANGSTERKILLER
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Unreal Engine 4 makes Samaritan demo looks like a piece of crap, Rein? Yeah right... I'm underwhelmed bij the UE4 demo to be honest, expected a lot more.
And i don't like the art in that trailer. Samaritan "Blade Runner" style was perfect!
And i don't like the art in that trailer. Samaritan "Blade Runner" style was perfect!
Metroid-Squadron
Banned
Art != Tech.
Besides, remember that this demonstrations are meant for developers, people that can actually appreciate what's going on. That's why they've been showing them at GDC first.
Besides, remember that this demonstrations are meant for developers, people that can actually appreciate what's going on. That's why they've been showing them at GDC first.
Houston3000
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The thing that impressed me the most was the walk through with the editor.
It blew my mind when the dude was showing off all this crazy lighting and particle techniques then he's just like, "oh, by the way, I'm playing this whole thing from inside the viewport in the Unreal Editor." I don't know, maybe it was because I went to college for 3D Modeling and Animation, but all the actual material, particle, and lighting techniques he was showing off as being completely dynamic like that in real time was impressive to me... plus so easy to modify and change in the editor to (I'm not a mod maker but seeing the tools being so easy for developers gives me hope we'll see amazing things).
It blew my mind when the dude was showing off all this crazy lighting and particle techniques then he's just like, "oh, by the way, I'm playing this whole thing from inside the viewport in the Unreal Editor." I don't know, maybe it was because I went to college for 3D Modeling and Animation, but all the actual material, particle, and lighting techniques he was showing off as being completely dynamic like that in real time was impressive to me... plus so easy to modify and change in the editor to (I'm not a mod maker but seeing the tools being so easy for developers gives me hope we'll see amazing things).
Think about it this way: Samaritan is done with UE3.5. Think how it would look on UE4.
And just to elaborate, there is a big leap between 3.5 and 4.
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This pic is so good it looks like concept art:
Forsaken82
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They weren't trying to impress you with Art, they were trying to impress you with Tech. It boils down to if you know shit about the tech, expect to walk away unimpressed. But there is a lot to be excited about from UE4 from a developer standpoint.
Opus Angelorum
Member
Agree.
It's easy to make an impressive montage, the tools to build it are of much more importance to the developer.
It's easy to make an impressive montage, the tools to build it are of much more importance to the developer.
Apocryphon
Member
Aye, this was nice. Compiling in UE3 is a pain as you have to close the editor, spend 5 minutes finding the value you're looking for in the scripts, recompile, hope there are no errors, reopen the editor and see if it's what you wanted.
That's style you speak of. That demo was mostly impressive because it used the techniques to accomplish the look. Bokeh, neon lights, wet surfaces etc. It's not that impressive from a technical viewpoint compared to UE4 really.
GANGSTERKILLER
Member
Samaritan was still running on Unreal Engine 3 powered by 3 GTX 580's if i am right.
How would it have looked on UE4? I think we will never know... ;-)
I know the differences between tech and art. That trailer reminded me of Unreal Tournament/Gears of War by the look of it. Therefore it did nothing for me.
But i have no doubt Unreal Engine 4 would be a very populair engine for the next generation. I hope to see more of it.
Portugeezer
Member
UE3 was only good towards the end of this generation, however it's very easy for developers to use from what I know, and more easy than CryEngine, this will probably be the same next gen.
But competition is good.
These are the most impressive graphics and this is massive leaps and bounds above UE3. Facts. I mean that literally and non-sarcastically. These are the facts.
You can dispute art and whether these techs will be put to good use to no ends. Personally I love the technology but I'm very afraid it won't ever be used.
You can dispute art and whether these techs will be put to good use to no ends. Personally I love the technology but I'm very afraid it won't ever be used.
Stallion Free
Cock Encumbered
UE3 is used quite widely now in college programs that lead into game development. Money is saved when you don't have to retrain potential employees on different software.
plagiarize
Banned
That dev walkthrough
yep. real time may be a subtle improvement when you just look at a video or a screenshot, but it's a massive difference for developers and as gamers even if you can't see the improvement in the effects, you'll see the improvement in your games indirectly. this engine will let developers improve their art and gameplay much more readily.
Why would this be the case? As far as I'm aware, Crytek has had defense contractor contracts, which can tend to be lucrative and long-lasting. Why would they stop selling the engine to defense/architecture people on the side?
shinobi602
Member
It doesn't make Samaritan look like crap, but UE4 has impressed me more I have to say.
I H8 Memes
Member
I expected more tbh. The lighting in the beginning was very nice though. Very natural. Overall the Square Enix tech demo was much more impressive though.
Necronomikon
Member
This!
As I watched the videos I managed to get that vibe on things (like a glossy feeling again) but it was almost hidden by all the good Lightning, particles, polycount, and effects going on!
Anyway, if games using the UE4 end up looking like Star Wars 1313 then I'm all IN for it!
Luminous engine is A BEAST, but I don't see it being used by developers as UE4.
Metalmurphy
Member
Of all the next gen showings so far, Star Wars 1313, Watch Dogs, FF Tech demo, this is by far the weakest... The only thing that kinda of impressed me was the lava. This is specially depressing when you consider tech demos usually show alot more then games do since their specifically built for that and have to deal with everything else a game does, and Watch Dogs/1313 were actual games.
If you told me this was an update to UE3 like the ones we've seen before, I would think twice about it.
If you told me this was an update to UE3 like the ones we've seen before, I would think twice about it.
Agent Ironside
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By no means was stock UE3 the best looking engine this is gen, and UE4 certainly won't be next gen either. I think for a good workhorse engine it's looking pretty good.