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Halo 6 won't be at E3 but 343 has a "little" something to show
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therealminime
Member
It definitely is. Mainline Halo titles have always been 3 years.
Spauldingxx
Member
The problem with Halo 5 is that the enemies weren't fun to fight. If you look at the original trilogy, the covenant was actually FUN and ENJOYABLE to fight. The alien machine things in 4 and 5..... major bore.
Fata1moose
Banned
Promethean Knights are fun to fight, everything else not so much. Yet their problem even goes beyond that, they don't look like they belong within the universe. I don't think they look like Forerunner constructs, they're not particularly interesting, if anything they made they took away from the mysticism of Forerunners. They're not worth keeping around even if you make them fun to fight. The Banished are already a better faction.
Calm Killer
In all media, only true fans who consume every book, film, game, or pog collection deserve to know what's going on.
Halo 4 was a good campaign with terrible MP. 5 was a good MP with a terrible campaign. They just need to put it together.
Fata1moose
Banned
Halo 4 was bad too, the levels were more corridor like, enemies were a step down from previous games. Halo 4 may be better than 5 ( I actually prefer 5), both are nowhere near as good as the Bungie campaigns.
How long has it been since Halo wasn't at E3 in any meaningful way?
2016 - HW2 Announcement
2015 - Halo 5 Gameplay
2014 - MCC/H2A/Halo 5 Announcement
2013 - Halo for Xbox One Announcement
2012 - Halo 4 Gameplay
2011 - HCEA/Halo 4 Announcement
2010 - Halo Reach Campaign Gameplay
2009 - Halo 3 ODST/Recon, Reach Announcement
2008 - Halo Wars Announcement
2007 - Halo 3 Campaign gameplay
2006 - Halo 3 Announcement
2005...?
So this is the first time in 12 years that we haven't had a Halo announcement of some kind.
2016 - HW2 Announcement
2015 - Halo 5 Gameplay
2014 - MCC/H2A/Halo 5 Announcement
2013 - Halo for Xbox One Announcement
2012 - Halo 4 Gameplay
2011 - HCEA/Halo 4 Announcement
2010 - Halo Reach Campaign Gameplay
2009 - Halo 3 ODST/Recon, Reach Announcement
2008 - Halo Wars Announcement
2007 - Halo 3 Campaign gameplay
2006 - Halo 3 Announcement
2005...?
So this is the first time in 12 years that we haven't had a Halo announcement of some kind.
blue_phazon
Member
DAYUM when you put it like that. But part of me is really happy. I hope 343 gets as much time as they need
Fata1moose
Banned
Pretty crazy. I'm not upset on the Halo 6 front, could be a good sign. I'm pretty disappointed there's no Halo 5 or MCC Xbox One X update. I really would have liked a H3A map pack for Halo 5 as well, maybe that'll come, DLC isn't worth mentioning in a conference like that.
It's not some rule though
Lucky Seven
Banned
Yikes, they're really JUST working on Halo 6? Or is 343 spreading themselves thin over two projects? Clearly, 343 don't have anybody else working on a spin-off title. Because they'd have something to show by now.
WhiteRabbitEXE
Member
Not developed internally, but 343i still oversees all 3rd party Halo development, so I'd say it counts.
Halo 3: Recon/ODST was not announced at E3 in 2008, it was announced at the 2008 Tokyo Game Show.
Simply Sami
Member
Halo 4 campaign was the worst.
I knew there wasn't going to be a Halo 3 Anniversary but I'm still sad 
god damnit they're weren't that many first party games. *sigh. My favorite Halo getting slighted WTF
Probably that rumored Halo Wars 2 DLC gonna be announced at Xbox Dailey my guess
god damnit they're weren't that many first party games. *sigh. My favorite Halo getting slighted WTFProbably that rumored Halo Wars 2 DLC gonna be announced at Xbox Dailey my guess
My bad. Halo Wars was still at E3 in 2008 though, so I think the point still stands, but I'll edit it to reflect this.
dr_rus
Member
You can now play Halo and Halo 2 from your old Xbox on Xbox One! Surprise!
BeforeU
Oft hope is born when all is forlorn.
There was no teaser. What are you guys talking about? Theybare not dropping a Halo game without the hype machine.
Disappointed there was no Halo at this conference. For the lack of MS 1st party games at this E3 and MS launching a new console at $500, I'm very surprised they didn't have 343 at least show some sort of CGI trailer for Halo 6 and say that it's coming to XB1X. Just to generate hype....
They probably learned their lesson from doing that for Halo 5.
almostjuliuscaesar
Member
yea wondering if it was in the list of scrolling xbox one games supporting One X upscaling?
nillapuddin
Member
Okay, as I wrap my head around this
This fall is the 10 year anniversary of HALO 3
I get that H3A might not be equitable or reasonable at the moment, I can put my big boy pants on and understand.
So lets launch a Halo 3 inspired playlist with great remakes to honor the game, but keep our player base together, I totally get it.
Halo 5 is monetized, no other Halo game is, and you cant put Micro-transactions into a campaign remake of a game, you also cant patch it into MCC because the uncertainty and shakiness of that games performance, cant risk obtaining even more negative mindshare. Again, I get it.
So Halo 5 playlist = good
But where are the players? (playing other games)
You know what would be a great incentive to get people back?
For starters, Put the game in Game Pass (Done, excellent idea) now Give new Scorpio owners a reason to boot up the game just to see the enhancements, run around Sanghelios in campaign for a few minutes, remember how good the movement feels.. maybe they drop into some multiplayer, remember they love the game and even buy a single req pack. Success.
Instead they are gunna send a playlist out to die at a limited playerbase while everyone has either moved on to other games or only wants to show off their new hardware with newer prettier games.
I thought H5 4K was such an absolute slam dunk shoe-in no-brainer that I hadn't even bothered to consider what would happen if they didn't, I really believe this was a huge missed opportunity to get back a sliver of population (not bringing the game back to life mind you) for a short time, honor Halo 3, hopefully sell a few more req packs than they normally would have, and let the game die on a high note as we wait another year for Halo 6.
Now I understand this Fall (like every Fall) is jammed pack of games and people might not make time for Halo anyways, but ya know how you can 100% guarantee they wont make time for it, give them almost no reason to. That's what 343 has done.
This whole time I bought my 4k OLED HDR TV Ive been sitting here thinking, "man, cant wait to check out all this 343 Rock Porn when I get scorpio" Now Ill just be looking atactual porn Destiny 2, Battlefront 2, PUBG and who knows if I will even drop in. I'm not mad or upset, just a bit disappointed.
This fall is the 10 year anniversary of HALO 3
I get that H3A might not be equitable or reasonable at the moment, I can put my big boy pants on and understand.
So lets launch a Halo 3 inspired playlist with great remakes to honor the game, but keep our player base together, I totally get it.
Halo 5 is monetized, no other Halo game is, and you cant put Micro-transactions into a campaign remake of a game, you also cant patch it into MCC because the uncertainty and shakiness of that games performance, cant risk obtaining even more negative mindshare. Again, I get it.
So Halo 5 playlist = good
But where are the players? (playing other games)
You know what would be a great incentive to get people back?
For starters, Put the game in Game Pass (Done, excellent idea) now Give new Scorpio owners a reason to boot up the game just to see the enhancements, run around Sanghelios in campaign for a few minutes, remember how good the movement feels.. maybe they drop into some multiplayer, remember they love the game and even buy a single req pack. Success.
Instead they are gunna send a playlist out to die at a limited playerbase while everyone has either moved on to other games or only wants to show off their new hardware with newer prettier games.
I thought H5 4K was such an absolute slam dunk shoe-in no-brainer that I hadn't even bothered to consider what would happen if they didn't, I really believe this was a huge missed opportunity to get back a sliver of population (not bringing the game back to life mind you) for a short time, honor Halo 3, hopefully sell a few more req packs than they normally would have, and let the game die on a high note as we wait another year for Halo 6.
Now I understand this Fall (like every Fall) is jammed pack of games and people might not make time for Halo anyways, but ya know how you can 100% guarantee they wont make time for it, give them almost no reason to. That's what 343 has done.
This whole time I bought my 4k OLED HDR TV Ive been sitting here thinking, "man, cant wait to check out all this 343 Rock Porn when I get scorpio" Now Ill just be looking at
jryeje29
Member
Thats all I noticed too so pretty wack, they probably should of just left alone at Halo 6 not being there.
Self_Destructive
Member
Uh, there's still the PC gaming show right, so maybe a PC port of MCC will be announced there or something?
I'm just reaching..but still.
I'm just reaching..but still.
almostjuliuscaesar
Member
honestly. esp since ppl are saying their news pertains to an existing halo game
Double Donut
Member
I was always one to say that a Halo 3 Anniversary would have been stupid and unnecessary, but after that conference, yikes.
They needed a heavy hitter to really show what the One X can do. Halo 3 Anniversary would have been the perfect thing to do that with.
They needed a heavy hitter to really show what the One X can do. Halo 3 Anniversary would have been the perfect thing to do that with.
It's also the greatest first party game Microsoft have ever published, to do anniversarys for 1/2 but ignore 3 is pretty bad.
jizzlobber
Member
yeah i'm the same, I still play H5 most days and it's THE game I've been thinking about playing when I get the scorpio... I didn't expect 4k textures or anything, just a standard resolution bump to clean things up at the least, maybe fix those distant animations.
I mean it's halo, a flagship first party title!
now i'm just expecting solid 1080p... on my scorpio.
that's not what i'm paying $650 AU for.
Sorry 343, I've LOVED H5 but that's where I move on.
Monocle
Member
Halo 5 included way more Covenant than 4 though, and also went a long way in addressing the stupid frustrating aspects of the Prometheans by:
- giving each type clear weak points
- giving each class a distinctive look, and visually distinguishing each enemy-wielded weapon
- substantially reducing or eliminating dumb annoying behaviors like teleporting far away from you or right up in your face, charging unexpectedly, and hiding
- lowering the HP of the bullet spongey knights
- adding clear visual and aural tells to mark their attacks
- making Promethean weapons especially effective against Prometheans
So fighting Prometheans in Halo 5 is really a serious and noticeable step up from Halo 4. They are still bad enemies, but they're a lot more manageable and less irritating. 343 deserve credit for putting in a lot of work to improve them.
ROUGE_BLOCK
Member
Not just a flagship title, it's the flagship title
Maybe they will announce something during their weekly xbox shows this week?
Yeah but Covenant enemies have been massively dumbed down and are barely even scary to fight in the last 2 mainline Halo games.
Interficium
Banned
I think the right call is to go dark for awhile, at least until next E3.
They need to pull back on all the transmedia and spinoff stuff which has diluted the brand and just served as distractions over the last 10 years, much as it might pain the leadership at 343 who all come from the transmedia/franchise side of the business.
Interest in the franchise is, indisputably, at an all-time low and the next major move 343i makes could be make-or-break to determine whether or not Halo can continue being a standard-bearer for the xbox platform, or simply recedes into the background with the rest of Microsoft's aging legacy IP (gears, forza, fable, etc).
They need to pull back on all the transmedia and spinoff stuff which has diluted the brand and just served as distractions over the last 10 years, much as it might pain the leadership at 343 who all come from the transmedia/franchise side of the business.
Interest in the franchise is, indisputably, at an all-time low and the next major move 343i makes could be make-or-break to determine whether or not Halo can continue being a standard-bearer for the xbox platform, or simply recedes into the background with the rest of Microsoft's aging legacy IP (gears, forza, fable, etc).
stryker1138
Member
Didn't they say HW2 was one of the games getting the 4K update treatment? I wonder if that's it for this show...
NippleViking
Banned
Halo 3 Anniversary next year.
Halo 6 2019.
Give it 4 years of development 343i. Interest in the franchise and universe is waning. Give it as long as needed to maximise content, refine and polish, and make it something that truly asserts itself.
Halo 6 2019.
Give it 4 years of development 343i. Interest in the franchise and universe is waning. Give it as long as needed to maximise content, refine and polish, and make it something that truly asserts itself.
Twilight Gap
Member
I expected literally nothing from 343 and still somehow ended up disappointed that Halo wasn't shown at all.
I would be genuinely impressed if they overhaul the game and take it back to its roots.
I would be genuinely impressed if they overhaul the game and take it back to its roots.
HighResTomato
Member
343i saying little means we should expect nothing.
TannerDemoz
Member
Wild thought: could Microsoft ever extend its IP to Nintendo consoles? What have they got to lose?
wesleyshark
Banned
That's what I was expecting the "little something" to be. I still need to finish halo wars 2 woops
Fata1moose
Banned
Microsoft: Today is 343i's presentation, 343 are you ready to show the class?
343i: *Looks through bag in panic* Pssst hey Creative Assembly can I borrow your project?
Creative Assembly: Well I-- *343 rips Halo Wars 2 DLC out of CA's hand*
343i: Well, I do have a little something to show the class.
343i: *Looks through bag in panic* Pssst hey Creative Assembly can I borrow your project?
Creative Assembly: Well I-- *343 rips Halo Wars 2 DLC out of CA's hand*
343i: Well, I do have a little something to show the class.
Forerunner
Member
HW 2 DLC and maybe it coming to Steam.
MCC PC is never going to happen.
MCC PC is never going to happen.
I don't think they want to announce things too early, because sometimes things change in development, and then they rigthfully get blamed that the final product didn't resemble the concept trailer some time ago.
It's also nice that we don't have too much of halo, it needs bit of a breather, just give them the time it needs.
If you were talking about 4 in particular, I'd agree, but applied to 5 I can't take this criticism seriously anymore. I think the biggest problem is that the AI (but for BOTH) is not up to snuff. That played a major part in making the fights in the previous Halo games so enjoyable, and they seemingly tried (and failed) to mitigate this by boosting enemy numbers.
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