GranBlue, right? Do we know how big is the team size for that game?
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Hideki Kamiya: "to say that Yoko-san saved Platinum would not be an exaggeration."
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GranBlue, right? Do we know how big is the team size for that game?
They did, SE is to blame in the sense of them not paying for the development of a patch.
P* is only doing contract work afterall
The biggest problem for midsized devs is that nowadays there's not a long list of pubs that are even willing to contract that's not a licenced product or a service game.
One of the console manufacturers contracting an AAA game is pretty much best case scenario (aside from running a scuessful service game).
**pants tightening**
That's a service game actually, which is why I made that statement. They could plausibly be working on that with a large team for 5+ years after launch if it's successful.
Similarly, I imagine Lost Order will keep needing art assets for a long time.
I completely forgot they were making Re:Link. That's a huge deal, since Cygames basically has unlimited money to throw at anything they want to get done.
What a garbage opinion. One of the biggest reasons this game was successful was because of YT's entire thematic injection into Platinum's technical side.
On the flip side, without Platinum, this would have likely been another YT game that was beloved by me and many others but no one outside of that bubble because of its lack of production values and technical polish.
Whereas Platinum gave his vision the appropriate production value and fast a fluid gameplay that Platinum games does best.
Who is "most people" Seriously, go away with that.
Tired of these trolls coming around saying it was 2B's ass and Platinum's gameplay alone that did the business. YT was the heart of this production as the director and writer and he deserves a big portion of the credit.
TissueBox
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The Pet of the Month
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To be honest, that auto-chip sounds right up my alley. Thanks for the tip, I'll probably pick up Automata after .Hack though.
Ah lol, I mean, I guess some might be disappointed if that actually comes to pass.
Even without it, there's a lot of neat chips in there that make fighting enemies a breeze, but yea, you'll do fine.
hydrophilic attack
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nier basically saved platinum from death by microsoft
Whoops - I had it pegged as a single player ARPG. Should still keep the lights on at PG if all goes well.
Yep ~ CyGames has more money than God, so the one thing we can count on is the game not lacking in budget.
Pretty much. Now though Microsoft has some problems with IPs so there's that.
hydrophilic attack
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i'm so glad we don't have to add platinum to this list
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i'm so glad we don't have to add platinum to this list
From the fact that a large money source was dropped out of the blue, yea
You forgot FASA.
Lol you dont know how Platinum operates at all.
hydrophilic attack
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Neff
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I'll get round to playing it at some point. I'm hesitant because the demo didn't excite me, and because I can't stand the first NieR.
That's probably a bit dramatic but NieR is certainly a big turnaround in reception/sales for them. They needed a hit after a year of middling reviews and the Scalebound debacle, and NieR was it.
hydrophilic attack
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Drakengard 3's combat wasn't bad, I would argue it was much better than original Nier in terms of melee combat. But the performance was absolute trash.
Would not be the first time. Devs like Atlus, Level 5 and such luckily still live to tell the tale, but devs like Tri Crescendo and such...
hydrophilic attack
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this has to mean they are working on new stuff now after nier's success
but platinum did get paid to make the port in the first place right? Not trying to hate on platinum (they are one of my favourite devs) but piling all the blame on to se for a collaborative effort seems unfair.
They'd be working on new stuff regardless, can't just have all these devs sitting around.
The fault in the port having issues is indeed their, however they can not develop a patch to fix these issues without SE telling them to, so the reason it hasn't been fixed is SE's.
Japanese devs should stay away from MS moneyhat. I think they've learned their lessons.
hydrophilic attack
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i expected nier: automata to be the glorious end of platinum
it was indeed glorious, but i'm glad it wasn't the end
James Scott
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Probably would be the best way to get something out of their time with Scalebound.
Wonder what they own of that project if anything
hydrophilic attack
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not if they weren't getting any projects
in which case they would have to close the studio
which looked as a highly likely chain of events back in january
Depends on how they're implemented. Considering the holy grail status that DMC3 and DMC4 continue to enjoy, the Style system still requires a lot of grinding in order to unlock the full potential of each of them. Even Ninja Gaiden requires a fair bit of grinding in order to upgrade the weapons, including one that is impossible to obtain otherwise.
nameless_joe
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To be fair, the only platinum game that clicked with me was Okami. Tried bayo, transformers, vanquish and didn't like any of them. Okami was 10 years ago btw...
I gave them a chance, but somehow i didn't like them.
Nier: automata is the first platinum game since Okami that is in my top 10 GOAT.
Glad it's succesfull and really hope to see more of both.
And to answer to a different guy on page 1: i mostly bought this because of Nier cult-status. Havent played the game myself. But always read here it was incredible
TissueBox
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Wow, good going SE... haven't been staying up to date but thought it would've gotten a patch by now. >_<
hydrophilic attack
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imagine taro and platinum making a kingdom hearts spinoff together
Whoever at SE took the risk of greenlighting Automata really deserves a raise. Seems like everyone involved with the game has been a winner and the game is fucking awesome to boot. I'd probably call say it's the most enjoyable Platinum game I've played to date tbh.
More of this please... less of dross like that Turtles game PG shat out last year.
More of this please... less of dross like that Turtles game PG shat out last year.
Freaking MS, damn.
Would have never forgiven them if PG went down.
Yup, the combat itself was very solid in D3.
It's unfortunate they didn't have the time/budget to make the experience smoother.
An excellent game either way.
Would have never forgiven them if PG went down.
Yup, the combat itself was very solid in D3.
It's unfortunate they didn't have the time/budget to make the experience smoother.
An excellent game either way.
Kent
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Generally-speaking, payments get halted when previously-agreed-upon milestones fail to be met. It can happen for any number of reasons, of course, including mismanagement of how many contracts can be handled at a given time, or tech issues when using an unfamiliar engine. We know that Scalebound got delayed twice, and was using the Unreal engine (which I don't think Platinum has used for any of their games prior), and over the course of its development, they've had eight or so games going through the pipeline.
In hindsight, these compounding together seem like a recipe for disaster - which is why the game got delayed before getting ultimately canceled at the start of this year. Considering the effect that delays, let alone cancelations, have on all involved parties, this sort of situation becomes incredibly difficult to salvage.
I haven't looked at the teams involved, but I suspect this is probably part of the reason why we got Bayonetta and Vanquish ported to PC - to fill in work for those who were slated to work on the Scalebound, opting to go for the very safe option of porting some of their older games to PC (which is almost guaranteed to have a high return-on-investment).
This is very similar to what I believe happened with Inti Creates after the Mighty No. 9 debacle (3DS/Vita version development is ongoing still, I believe), where they were contracted for Bloodstained, but then replaced as its developer (as in, they're no longer involved in the development of the main game, though they are developing the prequel game still) - open space in contract scheduling means you allocate people to low-budget and safe projects, which I very much suspect is why we got Mighty Gunvolt Burst and Blaster Master Zero.
It's still crazy that DMC3 & DMC4 still have that status and they came out 12 years ago & 9 years ago. You would think that they would have been surpassed in this era.
Yoko Taro and Platinum deserve all the success in the world for Nier Automata, the game that made an old cynic like me feel like a wide-eyed kid playing Chrono Trigger for the first time all over again. Especially after the last few Platinum games that I couldn't even bother to finish.
I'm looking forward to whatever either (or both!) of them have in store for us next.
I'm looking forward to whatever either (or both!) of them have in store for us next.
Even if you don't have an actual project you'd still start working on prototype stuff for eventual future use is what i'm saying.
James Scott
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I think they can find a better balance in the future. As their first effort Nier is solid.
As I've mentioned before, it's somewhat similar to Kingdom Hearts in terms of progression and structure which is pretty popular inspite of its narrative.
Dont imagine Taro would be involved, but working with the usual SE collaborators like Nomura's designs and Yoko Shimomura's music would be great
hydrophilic attack
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sure
what i meant is, this likely means that they have at least one project confirmed with a publisher
TissueBox
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Now I'm wondering how a TaroxNomura game would look...