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I'm more sick of people complaining of "PC Culture" then PC Culture at this point
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GuessMyUserName
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Absolutely this, more frustrating these days is how the phrase "both sides" has turned into such a meme against the middle now it gets used where it doesn't apply. Christ this thread is filling up with strawmen at breakneck speed here.
I think "both sides" is a meme for good reason. It's often used to imply you're so above "both sides", and that your position is automatically better. Also because it's a terrible stance to adopt in so many issues. What would even be the "middle ground" in this case?
A Link to the Past
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If only this were true
Random Painted HIghway
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PC in politics in 2002-2003 is how we end up in an unjustified war.
Zen_Arcade
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You're right. This is the cycle that already happened. SJW used to be reserved for people like that Hula woman then it devolved into being used as a blanket statement for anyone who wants a change someone else doesn't. Like most terms the internet took something clever and useful and ran it into the ground until it had no meaning anymore.
Abstrusity
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People spout off with nonsense and then derided for it. And that derision causes the "other side" to deride them for it! In other news, a UC Berkeley study confirms that water is wet! More at 11.
It really doesn't matter if people are derided for good reason, they'll strike back, anyway.
It really doesn't matter if people are derided for good reason, they'll strike back, anyway.
Good.
Lololol."PC culture..... We need PC culture...."
You could play a drinking game to the amount of times PC culture is said in the OP, and be dead in minutes
I thought this was some drunken rant. Helps if you don't know what "PC" indicates.
They sure are annoying, what bothers me more though is that everyone is either offended or outraged, even if no one said those words, you just can't be annoyed, bothered, bummed out, angry, etc, so those words lost any meaning or weight, like an overused swear/curse word.
7DollarHagane
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It's possible to take anything too far. Nothing should be exempt from comment or criticism..
orthodoxy1095
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Truth.
Audioboxer
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When you said it like that it makes sense in such simple terms.
So many people's dials seem to go from 0 to 10 in an instant. Rather than maybe 0 to 4/5/6. Of course not everyone though, but I think that's a pretty visual way to represent the extremities sometimes seen.
Also there is the glaring fact some people appear to be at dial 10 on a messageboard when in reality they are sitting sipping tea, eating a sandwich and having an otherwise jolly time at home. Text on a messageboard/social site only tells a small part of the overall picture, and often when you read the text of someone else you might conjure up your visual imagery of them sitting furious at their keyboard. When in reality, they aren't. So much human emotion is lost in response via non-visual/audio technology. Bring back the good old days of face to face debates. Not 140 characters on Twitter, or carefully produced and edited YouTube videos.
Dem millennials and their short attention spans and cravings for "manufactured drama".
Theres nothing stopping pc police from going on 4Chan and posting whatever theyd like.
4Chan is nothing like a safe space, its just a collection of arseholes so nobody else wants to post there. Im sure 4Chan people would love for sjws to start posting there, theyd probably find it entertaining.
PC culture will die off soon when Pogs make their comeback.
As it turns out, the people who are sensitive enough to constantly complain about PC culture tend to be very thin-skinned themselves. And to make them even more unlikable, this group is also characterized by a lack of empathy.
Just current? People have been complaining about political correctness for decades now.
UcchedavÄda
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Or to put it more bluntly, 4Chan is a safe space for people wish to engage in certain behavior, where existing members aggressively police their borders to ensure that newcomers either conform to accepted norms for that community or else be driven away.
Vigilant Walrus
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Ask yourself if PC culture is really a new thing, or are you buying into it just because the media makes a big deal out of a single guy being offended by a insensitively colored pop tart?
Is it possible, that just maybe people have always offended, and just thanks to social media, the empowerment of the individual is such that everyone, even a singular individual can spread their sensibilities. Like yourself. Being offended and outraged over people being offended and outraged.
Secondly, as others have said, I don't think what you think PC culture is, is what other think is PC culture. Labels and warnings are not new, just because they get a new name. Insensitivity and asking people to not be so sensitive are not new ideas.
Is it possible that maybe this perception of anti-PC outrage really just represents a logical counter ripple effect in this time of social progress? In the larger picture throughout history- Is it possible that other social movement and periods that went through changes, also had resistance to them, due to the fact that humans inadvertently have a fear and dislike for the things they don't understand?
To me, PC culture is being outraged over small things that stifle discussion. That's the definition I've understood. I get that your definition is rooted in what I would call hate crime and racism. If we cannot even degree on a definition on what it means, what the hell are we even discussing? Are we discussing being offended over Amy Schumer saying a thing in a comedy club, or are we talking about spreading hate? There is a difference there, and depending on who you are and what vacuums you engage in, you might have a very different experience from someone else.
You act like your anecdotal liberal college experience is what we should all take at face value. if you didn't saw any problems with it, then obviously there is no problem. I know you didn't mean that, but my knees were jerking from the way you worded it.
It's just in peoples faces now actually with the internet and social media.
Then they've just not been paying attention. Anti-political correctness has been all over newspapers, magazines, talk radio, and cable news for forever now. Basically since it became out of favor to use derogatory terms in public.
Abstrusity
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Ucchedavāda;215876812 said:
The same could be said of all places, all communities. Even this one.
They're called "rules." Most places in 4chan are alright to lurk in, alright to talk and share. Then you have places where wholesome people don't go. Most had to learn for themselves why.
Gun Animal
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it's somewhere inbetween that and "why can you get fired for making a joke about dongles?"
Because organizating such campaigns are against the rules and get you banned.
4chan hasn't tolerated stuff like that for near a decade at this point.
excelsiorlef
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Ahh yes the incident where one guy wasn't fired. The other got a new job quickly and Adria Richards who also got fired hasn't found a new job since and got ddos and was harassed ad nauseum for months
SciencePilot
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I agree. I never saw much wrong with PC culture. It's a good thing to be polite and respectful when talking about things!
I don't think PC is a barrier to legitimate discussion unless it's applied to an extreme degree. You can still have topics about difficult issues you're just supposed to be polite and considering about it, and I think that's fine.
I don't think PC is a barrier to legitimate discussion unless it's applied to an extreme degree. You can still have topics about difficult issues you're just supposed to be polite and considering about it, and I think that's fine.
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
Going off what Besada posted, people in general complain and spread negativity about way too many trivial things. It's ironic that many of the people protesting "PC" and "outrage culture" are members of groups that are predicated on harassment, outrage farming, trolling, shaming, and finding things online to act angry about. We see the effect that online culture everywhere, seeping into everything. Otherwise reasonable and intelligent sounding people who mindlessly repeat whatever WTF IS THIS SHIT casual outrage over something channish culture once said you should go around bitching about every time you see it.
It's almost as if those people, who have spent the last decade or more using the internet as their dumping ground for needless negativity and hostility, are furious at the very prospect of an organized movement to highlight and shame them.
It's almost as if those people, who have spent the last decade or more using the internet as their dumping ground for needless negativity and hostility, are furious at the very prospect of an organized movement to highlight and shame them.
Adria Richards got fired because she became more known for that incident than being an evangelist for her company.
Some white men are very sensitive to the loss of any right they have, even the right to shit on minorities and women.
Those same people don't seem to do much for other people when they are fighting for the same rights they enjoy...
TestOfTide
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I always get the most hilarious reactions when I address these people complaining about "political correctness" in politically incorrect ways.
It's not something you can 100% do on GAF, but on Twitter and in real life it is quite the satisfying experience.
excelsiorlef
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I'm just pointing out that in the end she suffered 10 fold more than either guy and suffered excessively so for months and years after
Me too, 100 percent. I agree that there are some people who kind of pick and choose stuff to get offended by and do it just for the sake of it, but going out of your way to offend people just for the sake of that on the other hand isn't much better. The fact of the matter is people genuinely get offended and trying to find a middle ground between being able to make a fair share of questionable jokes and still trying not to piss people off is tough.
Dongs Macabre
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Whoa, this post has so many layers.
It's funny cause we've had precisely the same grievances on GAF with way more people complaining over "PC gaming master race" attitudes than people using the term sincerely.
Because she thought it was more important to put two people in her place than advocate what she was paid to do.
There's ways to discuss and tell event organizers about inappropriate situations. This isn't even that Richards didn't know about the proper procedure for this. She was working in a public facing position for her company at the time. She chose to not do that so she could make a public display to shame two people who she didn't know and it blew up in her face.
Those two guys didn't attempt to be a public story, she did.
Gun Animal
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what's your take on Brendan Eich?
excelsiorlef
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Ok.... and you think that makes everything that happened to her ok?
Dddos attacks, twitter harassment, death threats....
excelsiorlef
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I have no issue with Adria getting fired so...
That being said being homophobic and actively participating in denying rights to gay folk (he supported prop 8) and being Adria Richards aren't very comparable
Where did I say that?
Can I ask you why you seem to think the two guys seem to need the same amount of harassment she suffered?
I didn't know about any of that, your first post just mentioned that she hasn't found employment since.
Edit: Sorry, you did include that info. Guess I just wanted to focus on the unemployment part.
Gun Animal
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sorry, wasn't making a comparison at all. wanted to know your take on it.
What's the statutory limit on Homophobia? (compare to formerly anti-gay-marriage Democrats)
excelsiorlef
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We can definitely agree on that. Adria shouldn't have gotten harassment on what she did, especially years after and that as you said, that it continues is disturbing.
Gordon Shumway
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Kevin James nooo..lol.
HawksWinStanley
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Now? lol you're kidding right?
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