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Killzone Shadow Fall uses FXAA + TMAA
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Dictator93
Member
Nah, Cryteks is better. SMAA is much cleaner and more comprehensive than FXAA whilst also having a temporal component.
I am not sure why devs choose FXAA as their PPAA when SMAA is just that much better. It is not as if it is super expensive or anything...
Ryse uses SMAA.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
FXAA is not good at showing off screenshots, but at 1080p at least, it looks better when playing the game than not having it. Keep in mind here they use it in combination with another AA technique, and the overall result is not typically fxaa-smudgy.
they were right about that input lag though...
Netherscourge
Banned
Gotta love that open GPU on the PS4!
Custom AA on the metal!
ON THE METAL!!!!!
Custom AA on the metal!
ON THE METAL!!!!!
1st Course
Member
There's no input lag. Calling it that is also just plain trolling at this point.
GameSeeker
Member
No Crytek's is not better. I agree that Ryse has excellent AA, but KZ:SF is equally good.
Go download the high quality footage that was released today and come back and say that Ryse AA looks better. You can't.
Lostconfused
Member
This isn't about which game looks better. This is about which AA method is better. So far most users on this board who have experience with both would say SMAA is better. Crytek's T2x SMAA implementation also seemed particularly impressive in their demonstrations.
http://www.iryoku.com/smaa/
Thank you sir.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
Could be wrong, but I don't think this TMAA is the same thing as that.
FranXico
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Dictator93
Member
I have, but even that footage is not high quality enough to judge AA coverage beyond transparency really. You need really high quality stills or footage... which we do not have yet.
I am saying SMAA is better (and Ryse has better AA as a result) because SMAA 1x by default has better coverage than FXAA. That is a fact many PC users can attest to.
That is not even including thetemporal stuff they are doing in ryse. which is better than the afformentioned SMAA T2x
The game is running at 900p and 30 fps. This seems to be a better compromise.
eh, they changed what people were bitching about, iirc, however that manifested, with whatever term. I didn't get KZ3. But didn't they address, whatever the issue was, with people feeling the response was druggy? I don't have a dog in this fight to troll sir.
velociraptor
Junior Member
FXAA is horrible.
I want all my games to have SMAA. Ugh.
I want all my games to have SMAA. Ugh.
These are direct frame buffer captures. AA seems to be highly effective without compromising on IQ.
dragonbane
Member
I really liked how PS3 devs used the Cell and MLAA on Beyond and GoW for example. Looked pretty nice, besides some shimmering.
Terbinator
Member
I disagree. You only have to go into the HRSS thread and the FXAA posts stick out like a sore thumb. OTOH, it's being suggested we can't go off the videos because we may confuse (lol) motion blur for FXAA.
But, as i said, i look forward to screengrabs as i believe i can glean more from them.
Although that mentions MSAA still having a part to play and the GG guy said it isn't used (at all?) which is why i think TMAA here is of a temporal variety.
TMAA+SMAA=Boss.
Dictator93
Member
The TMAA in that article is in all likelihood not the TMAA GG is using. He said they are not using multi-sampling.. so they are probably not multisampling their vegtation or something...
It is probably just a temporal AA.
GameSeeker
Member
Err, I'm confused. You don't evaluate AA with stills or screen shots. You evaluate AA in motion. The KZ:SF shows their AA in motion at 60fps and jaggies are practically nonexistent.
KZ:SF is doing FXAA plus TMAA. They haven't explained TMAA yet, but it likely has a Temporal component in it. And it is doing it at 60fps.
Ryse is running at half the speed (30fps) and at much lower resolution (900p). They have to implement a higher quality AA algorithm to achieve equivalent picture quality to KZ:SF.
SEGAvangelist
Member
These are direct frame buffer captures. AA seems to be highly effective without compromising on IQ.
Those look MUCH better than the video.
Confidence Man
Member
FXAA... wtf. Anything else would be better, even nothing.
Oh yeah that's true, but better that than the sight of any jaggies.
I'd prefer SMAA, like several others said. I generally prefer no AA to FXAA. But I am unfamiliar with the combination of FXAA and TMAA so I'm not sure if this is good or bad. The KZ video / pics don't look horrible, but I still think no AA might be better.
Really, what I'd prefer is if 1080 games didn't use FXAA at all. 720, sure go for it.
Really, what I'd prefer is if 1080 games didn't use FXAA at all. 720, sure go for it.
symphonask
Member
If BF4 was 1080p on PS4 you wouldn't be saying that. Good thing DICE values framerate over resolution.
Always-honest
Banned
? Really?
Noooooo.. The High Res footage looked pretty clean actually. Not as blurry as the BF4 PS4 footage we've seen thus far.
Dictator93
Member
That footage is NOT high quality enough to judge AA correctly. Not at all. If that video were good enough quality to judge AA, it would be multiple gigabytes. It is not.
Your statement about framerate is pretty darn irrelevant to what I am saying to be honest. The better coverage samples and smoothing will come inherently from SMAA over FXAA... in any case... no matter what: all with having little to no texture bluring (which FXAA has).
Of course Killzone is running at a higher FPS.. and I would prefer that if I were choosing games to play. But saying that has to do anything with a discussion on the cleanliness of antialiasing is silly.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
I think some peopel are automatically assuming that FXAA causes tons of issues but at 1080p it's not deterring. I use it for many titles and it's fine. This game should look stunning on your 1080p TV.
Viruz
Member
Sorry sir think you need someone will much more knowledge on the subject to explain
Ok, I think someone begun to answer:
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
Well yes, as I said, FXAA is not so good for showing off screenshots, but in motion and at 1080p it looks better with it than without, at least IMO.
I think this is why they unlocked singleplayer framerate. A locked 30fps isn't enough, they want to show you it can render five or ten additional frames on top of it, motherfuckers.
nogoodnamesleft
Banned
sometimes, this game looks really jaggy (promo commercial a week or so ago) and other times it looks really clean (recent screens).
dragonbane
Member
SMAA sounds like the way to go for future titles.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
Probably temporal morphological AA. I always thought it was their take on SMAA (which stands for subpixel morphological AA, but also has temporal correction component) Btw, I told you those screens a week or so back can't be just FXAA
Teletraan1
Banned
I agree that the high bit-rate stuff we got today looked blurry compared to those screens. I dislike FXAA on PC and avoid it at all costs.
Dictator93
Member
Probably temporal morphological AA. I always thought it was their take on SMAA (which stands for subpixel morphological AA, but also has temporal correction component) Btw, I told you those screens a week or so back can't be just FXAA
Hah, that is true. ;D You did say that. I acquiesce to your superiority.
IMO, it still does just look like FXAA in a lot of ways. I would really like to see how much this TMAA (temporal) really does help (with direct comparisons: without and with).
That sounds too reasonable. Most nextgen titles will now use FXAA just to spite you.
Codeblew
Member
Not going to look better when it gets upscaled to 1080p.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
It's probably FXAA on top of TMAA, kind of like how some games let you apply FXAA on top of MSAA. I'm curious as well what tmaa is doing exactly, but I think it's the main reason why the things like the trees and fences don't look all shimmery and why the image doesn't look overall too soft like it tends to with just fxaa. It still has some of that look on textures though, I agree, but perhaps they count that most people have some level of sharpening enabled on their TVs so it won't look that way on TVs.
Terbinator
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