They will be able to fight it out in the cloud then.
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Kotaku: "Only 90% of Xbox One GPU usable for games"- PS4 GPU up to 66% more powerful?
- Thread starter Gemüsepizza
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They will be able to fight it out in the cloud then.
There's little to get used to tbh. It's just a slightly modified x86 system. Any dev thats got PC experience would be extremely at home.
I thought that was in response to the cpu cores available.
dragonflys545
Member
:lol
Vegeta on Flying Nimbus then.
If PS4 reserves the same amount in absolute terms, it would bump the difference for games to 55%, not 66%. Fillrate to something like 111%.
Does the constrained state mean if you snap an app to the game, you can no longer interact with the game?
I assume in the case of something like Skype you can 'minimise' skype to the background to continue playing the game, while still audio chatting to someone.
Does the constrained state mean if you snap an app to the game, you can no longer interact with the game?
I assume in the case of something like Skype you can 'minimise' skype to the background to continue playing the game, while still audio chatting to someone.
gundamkyoukai
Member
Your full of nonsense like usual .
leatherhat
Member
I thought ps3 was the cell (obvious reasons)? Shouldn't that make Ps4 majjin Buu?
IHaveCandy
Banned
Yes, constrained means you can't interact. So it looks like you can't snap a Skype video call in while gaming. That's basing off their explanation of it.
KillerTravis
Banned
Gemüsepizza;58981249 said:
Makes sense considering the intense multitasking that it seems to do. Too bad it takes away from the games which is what actually matters for a gaming console.
nhlducks35
Member
That was in response to his question about CPU cores being used
Perfect
Douche McBaggins The 3rd
Junior Member
Yeah, he got kicked by buus severed leg and lost.
alexandros
Banned
Not on PC.
It's just OP making up sensationalist headlines...
1.1 vs 1.8 means that PS4 GPU is 66% better
Mind you that that happens in the situation where PS4 dedicates 100% of its resources to gaming. You know, that thing that is not going to happen...
I agree , PS4 has to reserve some power they have a bunch of multitask shit going on too, wait til E3.
Also. I think coming from this gen console to XONE is going to be quite a jump. If your games and services and friends are there too I don't see how it makes that much difference graphically, especially when we don't know how the extra helper chips and memory systems will end up closing the power gap a little bit.
Only way I can see myself bothering is if I have both and A/B switch them which I won't do probably so I can be very happy with what 8-10x power of 360
no need for 40x 
equippedwithtowel
Member
It doesn't.
The PS4's GPU is 50% more powerful going on the current figures.
This allocation would give the 66%.
Iced_Eagle
Member
No, Gaikai is cloud rendering (the game is run completely on the server, only the controller input is sent to the server, and you get a rendered frame back). Essentially their servers are just racks of PS3's, it doesn't provide any additional computational power to the game. XBL is cloud computing. It's likely (or confirmed?) to be running on Azure. At its largest size, a single Azure instance can be 8 cores, 14 GB of RAM. So you'll have 8 cores, 8GB locally, and an additional 8 cores, 14GB ram in the cloud, which could be used for whatever the developer wants. The simple use case will be dedicated servers for MP games, in which case there won't be any tangible improvements in graphics or physics, however it is possible that you could have much larger player counts on servers since you no longer are doing P2P. Over time developers will likely be doing cooler things with it, including advanced AI, persistent worlds, advanced physics, more natural speech recognition (what if you could talk to NPC's in a natural way like Siri or Google Now?), etc... It's a very new space which is why it's hard to point to good examples of this. Sim City was one of the first and it wasn't exactly a shining example because they failed to have proper scaling mechanisms, which is why the cloud is so useful in the first place... have higher demand? simply add more instances, and they shut down when the demand goes down. This is also very cost saving to the developer. Creating a backend for most games costs lots of money (5-6 figures just on hardware, not including maintenance, etc). Now that MS is in charge of maintenance, the developers just pay for time used on the servers, which saves them a lot of money.
Give it time and we'll see some fantastic uses of it. The GDC talks about it are going to be really interesting over the years too as developers continue to explore new ideas about how to use this.
Dragon Ball is the PS4, DBZ is Xbone
One is great, the other a glorified overrated POS
Officerrob
Banned
If the PS4's GPU is 100% usable for gaming...which isn't happening
dunno but cerny did say that unified ram gives a boost to the GPU (that gddr5 boost)
Gordon0Freeman
Member
So will this next gen gap be much larger than the 360/PS3 gap?
MS will need to reserve more absolute GPU power than Sony because they need to be able to run a game in snap mode while displaying overlays of Skype/IE etc. from what little we've seen of the PS4 OS, it is more like PS3 with simple overlays for notifications. That requires almost nothing and could actually be handled by the CPU. When you go into the OS properly, the game can pause so you can use as much GPU as you need.
So Sony probably do reserve some, but it'll be a lot less than MS in absolute terms, which is even less in percentage terms - I'd guess less than 5%
So Sony probably do reserve some, but it'll be a lot less than MS in absolute terms, which is even less in percentage terms - I'd guess less than 5%
MaulerX
Member
And why even bother saying that if we don't know how much the PS4 will be allocating itself?
SenjutsuSage
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I wonder if some people understand that GPUs don't always hit their theoretical peak performance? No? Okay, was just checking.
That's pretty much a given imo, but if it's something a casual person will able to distinguish? Doubt it..
Wishmaster92
Member
soooo
Ps4
Xbone
Wii U
The Cloud
???????
Ps4
Xbone
Wii U
The Cloud
???????
WrenchNinja
Member
Holy shit.
equippedwithtowel
Member
Permanent GPU allocation to the OS of 100 Gflops isn't exactly par for the course.
We're not talking about CPU or RAM which have a much expected overhead.
soxinthebox
Member
So the PS4 is 66% more powerful than the Xbox, fine. But how much weaker is the Xbox than the PS4?
Mass Effect
Member
Well, Vegeta worked for Frieza for up until he betrayed him. Does that count? Besides, he didn't need to work, he was married to Bulma, part of the richest family in the world. He was set. And I guess if the Xbox is Vegeta, this this comparison kinda makes sense. Vegeta may be bested by Goku (PS4), but he's still the second strongest and is backed by his billionaire wife (MS), so he'll be fine.
As far as Goku goes, well, he was dead/not on Earth half the time anyway. And what's the point of working when people are constantly trying to kill you or blow up the planet?
lmao
Sort of off topic here, but thinking about Skype, I'm wondering : where is the friends list in the Xbox One OS?
We know the PS4 has some dedicated hardware for it, and the Xbox One likely does given that it's much more focused on multimedia consumption.
Sort of off topic here, but thinking about Skype, I'm wondering : where is the friends list in the Xbox One OS?
Maybe they just shoehorn it in under games?
Pristine_Condition
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Well, in fairness, they have to reserve 2 CPU cores and 10% of the GPU for important stuff:
See? Important stuff.
- Displaying Doritos ads.
- Using Kinnect to figure out how many people are in the room so they know how much money to charge Frito-Lay for displaying the aforementioned Doritos ads.
- Using Kinnect to figure out how many people are in the room so they know how much money to charge Frito-Lay for displaying the aforementioned Doritos ads.
See? Important stuff.
Pyramid head
Banned
What does that power deficit matter when you can check the TV guide while you're taking a Skype call all while your playing your favourite Xbone game? That's what the people want.
Sort of off topic here, but thinking about Skype, I'm wondering : where is the friends list in the Xbox One OS?
Maybe you can click that xbox logo ...or maybe under 'my pins'
nhlducks35
Member
Sort of off topic here, but thinking about Skype, I'm wondering : where is the friends list in the Xbox One OS?
Click Guide button on controller, scroll down to Friends.
*Assuming it's the same as the Xbox 360*
Seems strange, It was a root level category before (or, pre last update it was...), and interacting with friends is/was a cross media thing.
Will there still be party chat or are they replacing that with Skype? If so, will Skype on Xbox One integrate 'game' related info and functionality? Replace the friends list entirely?
Don't forget Internet Explorer. Clearly people are tired of using their smartphones and tablets to browse the Internet.
Shake Appeal
Member
Oh, Microsoft. Your priorities, they are so wrong.
Rogue_Ledr
Banned
What is the 10% remainder of the GPU being used for exactly?