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[Windom Earle]

Thing is, all multiplats will likely look the same in the end.

Just like all PS3 and 360 multiplats were the same, right? And power gap is much bigger this time and one of the consoles has a better architecture as well.

The very least the PS4 will get are better/more stable framerates. And that is if devs are not trying.

Calling bs on this new rumor for now though.

 

[Radec]

Like others said he got stronger during the Freeza saga. Also Yamcha said that Krillin is the strongest human on earth in the beginning of the Buu saga.

For me:
PS4= Goku
Wii-U= Gohan (Has potential that will show in due time)
X1 = Vegeta

No way the WiiU is a Saiyan.

WiiU = Krillin

 

[jordan0386]

The problem with this is that the baseline for 3rd party games lowers even more.
Thank you microsoft.

512mb to 5GB is really a lot though.

 

[Mass Effect]

No way the WiiU is a Saiyan.

WiiU = Krillin

Hell no. Wii U is at least Piccolo.

 

[Liquidus]

Sort of off topic here, but thinking about Skype, I'm wondering : where is the friends list in the Xbox One OS?

It's in the cloud.

 

[specialguy]

It's in the cloud.

The Cloud>>>8 GB GDDR5

Yep, the legendary 8 GB GDDR5 finally met it's match.

The cloud is like infinite GDDR5.

 

[Face it Tiger..]

So Sony won't be offering suspend states or multitaksing features on the PS4?

That's pretty disappointing considering they were such great features on the Vita.

Yes to the suspend state on PS4.

TBA regarding multitasking, other than probably having a In-game dashboard.

 

[KingSnake]

Why don't they use The Cloud for the operating system(s) ? It's so much better and powerful than the local resources!

 

[Oblivion]

Man, at this rate, the Xbone is gonna be weaker than the Wii-U by the end of the month.

 

[twobear]

I'm kind of confused about what this means. I was under the impression that you don't 'save' bits of a GPU like this. Like if I am playing a game, what is the saved part of the GPU doing? Just sitting around idling? That just seems like a phenomenal waste.

 

[Sheroking]

No way the WiiU is a Saiyan.

WiiU = Krillin

Come on, now. It's at least Piccolo. Briefly outdoes the Saiyans (PS360) by fusing with Kami (newer architecture)- only to be surpassed after they visit the time chamber (PS4One)

 

[RoboPlato]

A GPU reserve for the OS is absolutely ridiculous.

 

[Radec]

Come on, now. It's at least Piccolo. Briefly outdoes the Saiyans (PS360) by fusing with Kami (newer architecture)- only to be surpassed after they visit the time chamber (PS4One)

Hell no. Wii U is at least Piccolo.

But you get to bang human 18!

Whats not to like!

 

[Miles Quaritch]

Yes to the suspend state on PS4.

TBA regarding multitasking, other than probably having a In-game dashboard.

Thanks, pretty surprising then that Sony managed to include those features without a significant hit to their GPU, etc.

 

[I-hate-u]

No way the WiiU is a Saiyan.

WiiU = Krillin

Gohan is half human, half Saiyan. Just like the WiiU is half gen7, half gen8.

 

[Sheroking]

But you get to bang human 18!

Whats not to like!

Dying 4 times?

 

[Starfish Hero]

Man, at this rate, the Xbone is gonna be weaker than the Wii-U by the end of the month.

Not saying it could end up weaker, but, on paper, the PS2 initially seemed quite a bit stronger than the Gamecube. Just something to mull over until we get full Wii U specs. Lol.

 

[Mass Effect]

Gohan is half human, half Saiyan. Just like the WiiU is half gen7, half gen8.

And starts off cool and powerful, but ends up going down like a chump...

 

[DieH@rd]

A little over 90%.

Im way more interested in how much ram and CPU cores is PS4 OS taking.

 

[shinra-bansho]

3GB reserved for PS4 OS is likely based on some posts from a developer and the way ERP (works for Sony) is acting on B3D.

They plan to reserve 3GB of RAM for the OS, when not long ago they were only planning on having 4GB of RAM in the retail system total?

Feel free to post anything from ERP that equates to him saying "3GB is likely reserved for the PS4 OS."

 

[DieH@rd]

So Sony won't be offering suspend states or multitaksing features on the PS4?

That's pretty disappointing considering they were such great features on the Vita.

Of course they will. They announced multitasking [specifically mentioned running a Netflix while game is paused in the background during one interview] and suspend game state while console is "turned off" on PSMeeting and lots of interviews.

 

[Twinduct]

Really hope the cloud thing doesn't become such a main factor for Xbone. My internet connection can hardly sustain a damn MMO hosted in the states.

If anything I hope it's something like physx where there is still an option of not using it.

 

[Canis lupus]

What was the difference between 360 and PS3? In flops? That was 400 vs 240, we still saw comparable looking games. I still cant believe how naieve a lot of us are. We should be directly comparing the exclusives with video and screenshots. Theoretical flops are highly subjective.

More like 400gflops for ps3 and +-310-350gflops for 360.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

Of course they will. They announced multitasking while gaming in one interview [specifically mentioned running a Netflix while game is paused in the background] and suspend game state while console is "turned off" on PSMeeting.

The way the OP was worded made me wonder if they decided not to bother.

Which raises the question, how have Sony managed to implement those features without seeing a similar hit to GPU, etc.

Or is this an exclusive problem to the One due to their 3 OS nonsense?

 

[CLEEK]

Dat Windows bloat.

So the OS eats up 10% GPU, 25% CPU and a whopping 37.5% RAM. Insane in a games console.

 

[Zabka]

Really hope the cloud thing doesn't become such a main factor for Xbone. My internet connection can hardly sustain a damn MMO hosted in the states.

If anything I hope it's something like physx where there is still an option of not using it.

I can't wait until Time Warner and MS have a disagreement over bandwidth so cloud processing gets throttled.

 

[Shokio]

1/4 of the CPU
10% of the GPU
37.5% of the RAM

All reserved to the OS and can't be accessed by games. This system is much weaker than it actually appears on paper.

As for the DBZ comparisons, it's definitely:

PS4 = Goku
X1 = Trunks
Wii U = Piccolo

 

[Miles Quaritch]

PS4 already has 2 cores reserved (Killzone SF slides) confirmed. 3GB reserved for PS4 OS is likely based on some posts from a developer and the way ERP (works for Sony) is acting on B3D.

I think it doesn't take a rocket scientist to assume they'll reserve from the GPU as well if MS is doing it it must be a desirable/necessary thing.

Links?

 

[DieH@rd]

Which raises the question, how have Sony managed to implement those features without seeing a similar hit to GPU, etc.

Or is this an exclusive problem to the One due to their 3 OS nonsense?

We dont know how much resources will they keep for PS. During "4GB" era of PS4 devkits, OS supposedly took only 512 MB of ram. Lately we heard rumor that 7GB of ram will be avaiable to game devs, but nothing is confirmed. Killzone Shadowfall engine breakdown shows that it uses 6 CPU threads, but there is a chance this was shown on a old devkit that did not had final hardware [in this case, no dedicated audio processing module, which was maybe emulated by 1 CPU core].

 

[Twinduct]

I can't wait until Time Warner and MS have a disagreement over bandwidth so cloud processing gets throttled.

Holy crap forgot about that! Even worse would be the local throttling. How much bandwidth can shit like this take up even?

 

[jordan0386]

1/4 of the CPU
10% of the GPU
37.5% of the RAM

All reserved to the OS and can't be accessed by games. This system is much weaker than it actually appears on paper.

As for the DBZ comparisons, it's definitely:

PS4 = Goku
X1 = Trunks
Wii U = Piccolo

Wii won last gen with weakest graphics, best price entry point, and coolest interface at the time.

Whats good enough for Nintendo cant be good enough for others?

 

[CLEEK]

As far as I've read, before the bump to 8GB, the PS4 reserved 0.5GB RAM for its OS. It's been suggested that this had now grown to 1GB, but this is just a rumour so it could still just use half a gig.

 

[Kyon]

PS4 already has 2 cores reserved (Killzone SF slides) confirmed. 3GB reserved for PS4 OS is likely based on some posts from a developer and the way ERP (works for Sony) is acting on B3D.

I think it doesn't take a rocket scientist to assume they'll reserve from the GPU as well if MS is doing it it must be a desirable/necessary thing.

Source? I've never ever heard of this. Where are people now coming up with the "Sony will most likely" thing from..

 

[Miles Quaritch]

We dont know how much resources will they keep for PS. During "4GB" era of PS4 devkits, OS supposedly took only 512 MB of ram. Lately we heard rumor that 7GB of ram will be avaiable to game devs, but nothing is confirmed. Killzone Shadowfall engine breakdown shows that it uses 6 CPU threads, but there is a chance this was shown on a old devkit that did not had final hardware [in this case, no dedicated audio processing module, which was maybe emulated by 1 CPU core].

Ah, okay. Thanks for the detailed response.

 

[Kyon]

We dont know how much resources will they keep for PS. During "4GB" era of PS4 devkits, OS supposedly took only 512 MB of ram. Lately we heard rumor that 7GB of ram will be avaiable to game devs, but nothing is confirmed. Killzone Shadowfall engine breakdown shows that it uses 6 CPU threads, but there is a chance this was shown on a old devkit that did not had final hardware [in this case, no dedicated audio processing module, which was maybe emulated by 1 CPU core].

Thank you

 

[Shokio]

Wii won last gen with weakest graphics, best price entry point, and coolest interface at the time.

Whats good enough for Nintendo cant be good enough for others?

Never really said that, just stating observations.

 

[Starfish Hero]

More like 400gflops for ps3 and +-310-350gflops for 360.

400 GFLOPs is a theoretical value that PS3 can't feasibly achieve. It actually comes in a bit below the 360's, which is indeed 240 GFLOPs.

 

[Moonlight]

But you get to bang human 18!

Whats not to like!

But who is she in this analogy?

...Platinum Games?

 

[Wind's Howling]

There isn't a more perfect gif.

 

[Perkel]

400 GFLOPs is a theoretical value that PS3 can't feasibly achieve. It actually comes in a bit below the 360's, which is indeed 240 GFLOPs.

So what is Gflop value ? 200 Gf ? 150 ? 300 ? Sorry but you are talking "tales from my ass" story here. We know only theoretical power and that PS3 exclusives look better than best looking X360 games.

 

[Starfish Hero]

So what is Gflop value ? 200 Gf ? 150 ? 300 ? Sorry but you are talking "tales from my ass" story here. We know only theoretical power and that PS3 exclusives look better than best looking X360 games.

228.8. "My ass" being Google.

 

[Lagspike_exe]

228.8. "My ass" being Google.

You forgot this thing called "GPU".

 

[Starfish Hero]

You forgot this thing called "GPU".

I'm talking about the GPU.

 

[Perkel]

228.8. "My ass" being Google.

So google told you practical Gflop of PS3 ? lol.

I'm talking about the GPU.

Then why are you talking about GPU when you responded to whole CPU+GPU theoretical power ?

 

[M_A_C]

The PS4 has another chip for streaming \ recording games and remote play .
So no it does not uses any of the cpu\gpu for that stuff .

Rewatching the PS4 Cerny speech and this does sound really great and smart.

 

[spisho]

I'm talking about the GPU.

Then you forgot about the SPUs.

 

[Starfish Hero]

So google told you practical Gflop of PS3 ? lol.



Then why are you talking about GPU when you responded to whole CPU+GPU theoretical power ?

Google told me that the RSX is estimated to be around 200 GFLOPs. There is, admittedly, little agreement, with estimates going as low as 176 (unlikely) and as high as 1.8 TFLOPs (lol). 230 is the most recurring number.

Anyways, in my initial post, I clearly stated I was only referring to GPUs. Edit: wait no I didn't lol. Whoops. Time for bed.

 

[SirIgbyCeaser]

I'd just like to say. About cloud computing via box live.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=509049

Could the Xbox 720 network be a super computer?
So with the rumors that the xbox durango has 2 cpu cores and 3gb of ram reserved at all times.

Doesn't this make the network of these consoles as potentially one of the most powerful computer clusters available? Also wouldn't this allow for incredible torrented download speeds of XBLA content? or live streaming of videos to work instantly via assisted streaming from nearby consoles ?

The xbox division would have every online console on their finger tips for super computing and anything that comes along with that.

I'm not a programmer so my imagination is short, but could this also be used for hosting game servers? For improving every online integrated application on the console?

Edit: Thanks mod for the title change.

 

[2MF]

I'd just like to say. About cloud computing via box live.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=509049

No you didn't. They're not talking about consoles using each other for computations.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

Anyone who posts on/browses B3D want to chime in on the claim by specialguy?