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Kotaku: Sony is working on a PS4.5; briefing devs on plans for a more powerful PS4
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MaverickVII
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I'm going to save my outrage for an official announcement.
EmCeeGramr
Member
I get the feeling this thread will be like the one where everyone called Kotaku liars or fools when they reported that Versus XIII as we knew it was dead, possibly being rebooted as FFXV, and then two years later it turned out they were totally right even down to the timeframe when it happened.
Milly Osworth
Member
I was thinking about getting a PS4, guess Ill wait some.
CyberPunked
Member
If this is case, it's a good thing. Imagine using the same phone for 6+ years, it's absurd.
Do not want. Have had a PS4 for all of 3 months and don't even feel like it's getting going yet to be honest. If you want more power for VR, stick it in the breakout box. 4K penetration isn't anything like high enough to justify this otherwise.
And how would it work? Are they going to ban devs from using the extra power at lower resolutions? If not, you fragment the user base.
And how would it work? Are they going to ban devs from using the extra power at lower resolutions? If not, you fragment the user base.
JordanN
Banned
This is what I'm thinking.
PS4.5 is still PS5. It is meant to be the successor to the previous playstation console before it.
The only difference is that there is overlap with both consoles in the beginning, sharing the same games and peripherals, until PS4 is phased out.
So something like this
2013 (PS4 is announced. PS3 is replaced) -------- 2017 (PS4.5 is announced. Shares the same games with PS4) ------ 2022 (PS4 is phased out. PS4.5 takes over)
link1201
Member
I'd be ok with that.
hemo memo
Gold Member
Yeah exactly. Just a miscommunication.
Remain competitive? Sony has already crushed MS this generation and a new version of the Xbone would not change that. I don't think you realize just how dead the MS brand is in the console space outside the US and a few other countries.
entremet
Member
Do you think if they release this mythical PS4.5 and it's around 400 that sales of the combined PS4/4.5 platform will drop?
I'd think we'd see a nice jump due to all the early adopters, much like we jumps with other iterative hardware upgrades.
Oh but you see it too huh? Don't you see that this is the exit strategy for Sony from the console business? There's no way devs would be able to handle another target platform. It's just too much work and publishers won't be on board. This is dead in the water. LOLOLOLOL.
At the rate we're going, it probably won't take two years, but yes.
I'm of the opinion that Sony will have BC going forward simply because MS and Nintendo have it for their consoles.
And possible even forward compatibility if they go for the iterative hardware route.
wonderful103
Member
You're a little too optimistic
Incentive? Why? Out of the goodness of their hearts? lol this is a business. You want a new box and don't want to keep your old one? Sell it and buy a new one.
GPU on the PS4 is struggling on most modern AAA multiplats, not just the CPU.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
What pisses me off over this potential plan isnt the 4K crap because I'm probably never getting a 4KTV so who fucking cares.
Its the PSVR bit. The "to make better games on that". That then becomes the hard lock-out for titles and the need to upgrade and thats not on.
So fuck you Sony if you do this. Consoles are a big business for a reason.
Its the PSVR bit. The "to make better games on that". That then becomes the hard lock-out for titles and the need to upgrade and thats not on.
So fuck you Sony if you do this. Consoles are a big business for a reason.
I read it, still call bullshit. But if I'm to be a bit more diplomatic, I'd say there has been misscommunication.
Firstly 4k for gaming requires a high end GPU, that costs almost twice the current price of a PS4 alone, and would require a hefty PSU to power and lots of cooling.
Secondly, if the new console was a year away, developers would've heard about it long before, right? you don't spring new hardware on devs at a late stage in their development.
This could very well be, and this is still unlikely, a PS4 console revision with UHD Blu-Ray support, and 4k output, and thus would be able to upscale 1080p PS4 games to 4k, but it does not mean it's doing 4k gaming.
Jason, just take a step back and think about it, does this sound plausible? A 4k gaming console?
LukasTaves
Member
A finite number of fixed platforms is still fixed. The issue lies on every single aspect of the configuration being able to be modified.
I'm conflicted, but optimistic.
One one hand, this could disrupt gaming industry in many ways. We never got these "mid generation" upgrades before, there is lot unknowns about software licences [what will transfer from PS4 to PS4K], game/server support, presence of games that cannot be played on PS4, feelings of consumer base about fast arrival of better hardware...
But on the other hand, I am all for better hardware that will enable better gaming experiences, and if it released I would consider getting it if EVERYTHING I purchased on PS4 transfers to PS4K.
Hopefully both Sony and MS will handle this [possible] switch very carefully.
One one hand, this could disrupt gaming industry in many ways. We never got these "mid generation" upgrades before, there is lot unknowns about software licences [what will transfer from PS4 to PS4K], game/server support, presence of games that cannot be played on PS4, feelings of consumer base about fast arrival of better hardware...
But on the other hand, I am all for better hardware that will enable better gaming experiences, and if it released I would consider getting it if EVERYTHING I purchased on PS4 transfers to PS4K.
Hopefully both Sony and MS will handle this [possible] switch very carefully.
Well, that does not mean compatibility would be lost. If they have capability to easily upgrade hardware [like on PC], software could still work as intended.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
Man i still have my sony xperia z3, i don't do it for my phone and i really dont wanna do it for consoles. Now if this is like a 2018 holiday style deal sure im all for it
Croatoan
They/Them A-10 Warthog
So you would rather have none of the anythings from PC gaming?
Hint: its called options based on how much you can spend, what performance you want, and what is good enough for your enjoyment. Some people play PC games on low and don't give a fuck.
Bitch Pudding
Member
When Phil announced XBox Two I thought this was a stupid idea. But now if Sony does it, I have to say it's a cool idea.
Pun intended
You and that poster have some intense confirmation bias and selecting reading going on.
Most people in this thread are not enthusiastic about this news.
DOBERMAN INC
Member
Scoops does it again.
DannyDanger
Member
Even if the 4.5 sells like hotcakes, its not gonna overtake the current ps4 userbase anytime soon, and even if it does, its not gonna stop that userbase from buying games. Why would developers just throw that money away?
Last gen ports arentnt a good comparison... its completely different hardware, completely different operating systems, completely different devkits
A more powerful ps4 would be just like swapping out a gpu and/or cpu... its not a different platform.
I'm not a developer so i wont pretend to know, but building a game that scales its gfx options between to skus that are almost identical, cannot be as hard as porting a game to last gen, or trying to accommodate the large amount of different configurations as possible on PC
Chittagong
Gold Member
Hilarious, just yesterday pretty much everyone here was convinced that even a PS4 revision with integrated PSVR PU is lunacy.
DirtyLarry
Member
I make a decent living and as a 41 year old with a good career and no kids I can support this hobby of mine, so as someone who is an all around gamer, meaning I own everything, a Gaming PC and all of the consoles, I am 110% down for this.
I have been a "PC gamer" for the past 13 years. In the last few years I have somewhat lapsed and not kept up with PC gaming though.* Looking back on those 13 years, if I had to average it out, I would say I purchased a new GPU for my PC about once every 3 years during the course of those 13 years. Why did I purchase a new GPU? To get better performance obviously.
If I could now just purchase a console and get better performance every 2-3 years, hell, I may even drop PC gaming completely.
* Now there is some more to my story that makes me lean this way. I have DeQuervains tendonitis, which only flares up now if I am on the computer too long. In fact it is the reason why I went back to consoles during the 360 and PS3 era.
There is also the fact that since I do sit in front of a computer most of my day at work, truth be told, I now do prefer my couch with my 65" 4K TV to sitting back in front of my computer.
So yeah, for me, this news if true means I may drop PC gaming all together. I know this is against so many beliefs around here, but it is the reality for my own situation. Now I also am very realistic about things and realize many gamers are younger and not in a financial position like myself and often are forced to make a decision on one platform or another one. So for them, I can easily see this meaning they will do the exact opposite and say screw it and finally go all PC. I do get that and realize why people would feel that way.
For my own situation, this is ideal and I can only hope it is true.
I have been a "PC gamer" for the past 13 years. In the last few years I have somewhat lapsed and not kept up with PC gaming though.* Looking back on those 13 years, if I had to average it out, I would say I purchased a new GPU for my PC about once every 3 years during the course of those 13 years. Why did I purchase a new GPU? To get better performance obviously.
If I could now just purchase a console and get better performance every 2-3 years, hell, I may even drop PC gaming completely.
* Now there is some more to my story that makes me lean this way. I have DeQuervains tendonitis, which only flares up now if I am on the computer too long. In fact it is the reason why I went back to consoles during the 360 and PS3 era.
There is also the fact that since I do sit in front of a computer most of my day at work, truth be told, I now do prefer my couch with my 65" 4K TV to sitting back in front of my computer.
So yeah, for me, this news if true means I may drop PC gaming all together. I know this is against so many beliefs around here, but it is the reality for my own situation. Now I also am very realistic about things and realize many gamers are younger and not in a financial position like myself and often are forced to make a decision on one platform or another one. So for them, I can easily see this meaning they will do the exact opposite and say screw it and finally go all PC. I do get that and realize why people would feel that way.
For my own situation, this is ideal and I can only hope it is true.
Well, a lot of sources corroborated on the story, so I would find it highly unlikely that so many people involved in discussions mixed up the story.
I believe the PS4K discussions did take place, but whether they are just to feel out developer/publisher interest or something more serious is what we'll find out eventually.
It could also be that this is Sony's PS5 in theory, but are sticking with the PS4 name a) so as to not burn consumers with a shorter generation cycle; and b) to signify this new iteration will be backwards compatible with PS4 games.
vpance
Member
In 2017 at 16nm process probably $399
Neuromancer
Member
I think you're thinking of the wrong person. The most notable scoop from Scoops about all that was SonyTooTM.
amstradcpc
Member
Sony knows what MS is doing.We not for sure.And if the rumors about MS going iterative launches are true...they will dance that song too.After all I think Sony has never seen the opportunity of getting the videogames monopoly(in the console space)as near as today.
entremet
Member
Yeah.
People who keep bringing up a trade in programs sound bonkers.
Does Apple have a trade in program? Samsung?
Sony won't have one either. You can sell your PS4.0 independently.
I may expect promotions. Free games or something like that, but they're not losing money with trade in programs.
I believed in you, Chitta. These Luddites just don't see how times are changing!
There really doesn't need to be a large generation bump or backwards compatibility like there used to, assuming the x86 architecture is sustained and the OS is maintained. If your OS is largely built on top of open source packages, as an OEM you're good to go. If anything attempting to maintain backwards compatibility with wildly different architectures, and make that huge jump between major generations with mass marketing is way less efficient.
Pretty much what I said in the last PS4.5 rumour thread - everythings gonna be cross gen so developers will be building their (gameplay) ideas on their lowest hardware target.
It could be argued that accelerated iterations with the requirement of forward compatibility could stagnate game design.
ps3ud0 8)
Isn't this just the PS5?
If not, prepare for another 10 year console gen and future 4K remasters of current gen titles. Bloodborne 4K Edition with more DLC, let's go.
Edit: Then again, this could be Sony taking a step, like Microsoft is planning, away from the generational model.
If not, prepare for another 10 year console gen and future 4K remasters of current gen titles. Bloodborne 4K Edition with more DLC, let's go.
Edit: Then again, this could be Sony taking a step, like Microsoft is planning, away from the generational model.
Always-honest
Banned
4K gaming? Lol no. Just hit 60fpsn and imaculate image quality at 1080p first.
HomerSimpson-Man
Member
Doubling the horizontal and vertical resolution of 1920x1080 to 3840x2160 quadruples the actual pixel resolution; you are going from 2,073,600 pixels to 8,217,600 pixels onscreen.
Or it will be like the time the gaming media insisted Sony, too were planning to use always online DRM in their new console, and it was bullshit fed to them by sources who were just looking to take some of the heat away from Microsoft.
A gaming console running games in native 4K is not plausible anytime soon.
Abolfazl3007
Banned
We have a saying in Hosein Abad : It doesn't rain because the black cat says so !!
The whole thing is fake , sony is not going to jeopardize their god astonishing ps4 sales by some half-dim-wit ideas like this .
The whole thing is fake , sony is not going to jeopardize their god astonishing ps4 sales by some half-dim-wit ideas like this .