grimshawish
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Not defending NG3 but that IGN review just shouldn't be used. Its a mess and not reliable.
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ME3, NG3:RE, Batman, EM2, WO3, BLOPS2, Darksiders 2 have technical issues on Wii U
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I still thought the performance was more acceptable than KOTOR 1 or 2 on XBOX. Those were a goddamn mess.
Smiles and Cries
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what next Call of Duty? AC3?
Yeah... if I wanna buy digital games, i just take Steam since its more convenient to have everthing in the same place.
Just use Origin like I do... only to play Mass Effect/Battlefield and add people in your friend list for multiplayer.
But you won't regret it, it's still better than playing it on consoles if your PC is decent. ME1 wont be a technical mess and the framerates in all 3 games will be great. Too bad you'll be forced to use the mouse and keyboard. But I still think its better than a gamepad for faster and easier aiming and quick access to 8 powers with key shortcuts.
The Hermit
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Agreed, its quite terrible.
BattleMonkey
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That doesn't excuse game running poorly. They shouldn't have added those things if they couldn't have the game handle it.
EA is not involved in NG3...
If it doesn't have the horsepower to spare, we're in trouble when the PS4 and 720 come out. The Wii U NEEDS to be able to handle ports from those systems, and they need to at least look almost as good or Nintendo's not going to have any third party support again.
plagiarize
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there are clear advantages over the 360 and PS3 versions in terms of what they've done with the touch screen, and I believe graphics are reportedly slightly better on Fifa, dunno about Madden.
I don't think it was any clearer back in 05. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madden_NFL_06#Xbox_360_version
You've identified a better reason to be worried than looking at the launch games, but you've also listed a bunch of multiplats that I'm sure Wii U will see a lot of similar titles. it's getting the sports games. Rumors saying it's getting Criterions racer late (just like the 360 did). Superman? Giant piece of shit.
Mass Effect is the only one that stands out in your list and... oh hang on... it was published by Microsoft.
Yeah, I have a bad feeling here.
BLOPS2 is pretty lousy on PS3 and even the 360 version still uses an obscenely low resolution. It seems possible that the WiiU version could actually wind up looking worse.
AC3 is a mess on current consoles as well so that really doesn't bode well for the WiiU port. Looks like I'll just buy it on the PC.
True words right here. It's not a very good excuse, but the quality of launch port in particular, are usually inferior due to a number of factors like generally shorter development time, outsourcing development can be a potential risk, and the challenge of porting code of a current-gen game to unoptimized next-gen hardware (probably worse if a dev chooses to use Ps3 version over Xbox 360). Straight Up said that working with Wii U was "very manageable," but it appears they didn't have what it takes to do it justice given the resources and time frame they had to work under. Even ports like Madden 13 while impressive for a 6 month job, are not fully-featured duet o the lack of the new physics engine. I think Black Ops 2 is also missing some content, but that may have to do more with Nintendo than Activision. Hopefully, Darksiders 2, AS3, and Aliens: Colonial Marines will turn out to be of better quality since these guys were among the first to get dev kits. While Team Ninja was likely one of the first Japanese devs to receive a dev kit, we all knew how messed up Ninja Gaiden 3 was from the start.
I dunno, the PS Vita had some incredible ports out of the gate.
Virtua Tennis 4 was a near perfect match for the HD console versions and offered more features. 60 fps + native resolution
Marvel vs Capcom 3 was extremely close to the console versions and ran at 60 fps at native resolution.
Rayman Origins, again, was perfect and also ran at 60 fps + native resolution
BlazBlue? Perfect
Ninja Gaiden Sigma? Not perfect, as the framerate was cut down to 30 fps, but it was still a solid version of the game
If the Vita, which is definitely less powerful than the consoles, could be launched with such solid ports I'm disappointed that the same could not be true with WiiU. Sure, the games in question are more complex but the WiiU is actually more powerful hardware so it shouldn't be an issue.
plagiarize
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no, see, you don't know that. Ninja Gaiden 3 has those same listed issues on other platforms. until someone does a proper framerate analysis, I don't think we can say it runs WORSE.
NG3 has technical issues on Wii U, and on 360 and PS3.
Now that interesting since Nintendo have a hand on NG development,I think we should not blame EA for the quality of the ME port now, since Nintendo with Tecmo didn't deliver too.
maybe Wii U is a PS3 like situation when it's very hard to port for, I remember when THQ said -on the lack of port fo-r Metro: Last Light for Wii U that they "wanted to focus on what they knew".
Smiles and Cries
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not a good sign but I am still owning all 4 of these games...
well Ninja Gaiden is still one female playable character away from sold. It now has two so it should still be fun.
Just have to go into these games not expecting smooth performance and killer graphics
I think the digitial foundry summary of the e3 games can shed insight into this port:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-vs-wiiu-e3-2012
Nintendo did not prove anything in the months following e3. There is no showcase 3d game on the wii u.
If Nintendo knew they weren't going to have a really nice 3d game for release that they could use to sell the system, they should have devoted some resources to one of the ports from another company so that people could look at a Batman or ME3 and go, "wow, that look so much nicer and so smooth." So people aren't left wondering.
My theory is that when the wii and the ds became so successful based largely on their gimmicks, Nintendo decided that their next handheld and next console needed gimmicks too. & I believe that the 3D part of the 3DS actually hurt sales because nobody was asking for a 3d handheld, and having 3d increased the price necessarily.
Likewise, the the tablet will hurt sales of the wii u because they couldn't use those resources to make a better console. Just how many people are going to spend $300/$350 on a new system that could only give ps360 quality games just because it has a novelty controller? I'm not saying that is the case, but if it is...
So is it EA's fault? or the Australian porting company? Maybe, but I wouldn't be so quick to let Ninty off the hook here.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-vs-wiiu-e3-2012
Nintendo did not prove anything in the months following e3. There is no showcase 3d game on the wii u.
If Nintendo knew they weren't going to have a really nice 3d game for release that they could use to sell the system, they should have devoted some resources to one of the ports from another company so that people could look at a Batman or ME3 and go, "wow, that look so much nicer and so smooth." So people aren't left wondering.
My theory is that when the wii and the ds became so successful based largely on their gimmicks, Nintendo decided that their next handheld and next console needed gimmicks too. & I believe that the 3D part of the 3DS actually hurt sales because nobody was asking for a 3d handheld, and having 3d increased the price necessarily.
Likewise, the the tablet will hurt sales of the wii u because they couldn't use those resources to make a better console. Just how many people are going to spend $300/$350 on a new system that could only give ps360 quality games just because it has a novelty controller? I'm not saying that is the case, but if it is...
So is it EA's fault? or the Australian porting company? Maybe, but I wouldn't be so quick to let Ninty off the hook here.
When it comes to 3rd party developers on Nintendo platforms these days I don't expect much, to them it's just another SKU to make a quick buck. I'm holding out for whatever Nintendo EAD Tokyo & Retro Studios are doing, I'm expecting those two to put out some amazing looking titles that will blow everyone away. Ninja Gaiden III looks a lot better than the shit they pumped out earlier in the year but those jaggies just kill my interest, looks awfully distracting.
EatChildren
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I was discussing this with Nirolak, but in the case of Call of Duty it's really worth noting this: Black Ops is the best selling PS3 game of all time. Call of Duty is a massive franchise. And despite this, Black Ops 2 PS3 has both rendering and framerate problems compared to the 360 build.
Now lets see how the Wii U version, a platform with new hardware and a relatively much, much smaller install base, shapes up.
The Wii ports were pretty competent though, were they not?
lol @ this thread. I don't understand how people can be so bitter. Regardless if you consider the Wii-U a next gen system or not, you have to admit that it does not offer the typical next gen leap in performance. Keeping this in mind, these types of issues aren't unexpected. Durante has been spot on with his posts here and of course some overly defensive people have to jump on him over it.
Didn't you say before that we should only expect so much from early titles since a new console was introduced so late? Wouldn't that apply here?
lol this cracked me up. Thank you good sir. =)
Didn't you say before that we should only expect so much from early titles since a new console was introduced so late? Wouldn't that apply here?
lol this cracked me up. Thank you good sir. =)
They do. IGN's review even with it's positive score doesn't even mention at all the extra features added to the game. So really I'm not putting much stock in the reviews.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
Sure, they were 'competent', but they were hardly flawless in framerate and naturally had assets scaled down significantly just to get the games to run. I don't really feel they're a fair comparison as the hardware was always marked as much, much weaker and the games were always going to suffer.
On the other hand, the Wii U is certainly capable of Black Ops 2 the way people expect to play it on a current generation system like the Xbox 360.
Yeah, word-of-mouth impressions, even by "professional" reviewers, don't really have a good track record. We'll only have a solid understanding when someone does a detailed analysis.
I've only played the demo, and that was really erratic in the framerate department. It seems weird to single out the Wii U version when, in all likelihood, Team Ninja just isn't very good at making Ninja Gaiden 3 on any platform.
Sho_Nuff82
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EA's launch Window games have been almost universally trash ever since the end of the PS2/Xbox/GCN generation, with the odd exception of Burnout Revenge on 360 and FIFA Vita. They usually need at least a year to transition fully to a new platform.
plagiarize
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glancing over the titles on Wii U, I am confident to say the following about the following:
Trine 2 - Looks as good as it did on PS3 and 360 and according to the developer the Wii U version copes just fine with the PC DLC which the PS3 and 360 versions lacked the performance to handle.
Rayman Legends - Is doing more on screen than Origins, and is using more 3D geometry at the same time. Obviously, it is not a taxing game... but it still looks better than Origins did without sacrificing performance or resolution.
FIFA 13 - Is missing some gameplay features but has received a slight graphical boost.
In other words, it's not all bad news, and there are some reasons to be optimistic. If it turns out that NG3 doesn't run any worse than the other versions I won't be surprised at all.
GiantEnemyGoomba
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I'm now worried about AC3. I'm also thinking Batman won't be good enough to support buying it over the GotY edition.
It has the architecture to handle next generation games since next generation engines will be developed with scalability in mind.
It's not a Wii-PS360 situation where the Wii GPU and CPU were incredibly outdated in terms of both architecture and horsepower. Even if the horsepower was only comparable to the PS3 and 360, it'll still be able to do things not possible on those consoles simply because it has modern hardware capable of performing tasks natively that weren't as easily implementable on older hardware.
It won't have all the flashy shaders and effects found on the PS4 and 720, but it'll still be able to handle ports as long as the engines can scale back far enough.
Well, there's always exceptions and it looks like Vita was one of the lucky platforms. Capcom said it ported Street Fighter IV to 3DS in like 8 months if I remember correctly. Some devs manage to do ports better than others, but it obviously depends on the circumstances of each project, design of the hardware, and how supportive the console manufacturer is. Funny enough, Nintendo said it gave out dev kits earlier than usual, but that doesn't seem to have made a difference. Who knows, the Xbox 720 and PS4 could get competent launch ports of Wii U games!
Baconsammy
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I'm just hoping we have a year of console parity across all 3 platforms. At least until PS4/Nextbox come out and dust the Wii U in specs. But I agree this isn't unexpected. I imagine most of these launch games were developed on incomplete dev boxes.
I agree..
WHAT HAVE YOU DONE
maquiladora
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Oh boy....
Well, the game actually ran better than NG2 did and was mostly stable...but there were definitely bits of slowdown. How bad the slowdown is in the Wii version remains to be seen.
I don't doubt it does, since the general consensus was that NG2 was pushed out the door too soon, especially with those nasty DLC problems it ran into, but it's still a long way away from the days of NG1 and Black. Still, the frequency is what's important, and if the additional on-screen carnage is causing the game to stall more than it did before, Team Ninja probably should have pared it down so it would be less of an issue. Provided, of course, that the frequency of the lower framerates is the biggest issue with the Wii U version.
Didn't Team Ninja kinda solve the NG2 slowdown in Sigma 2 by, well, removing a lot of stuff?
I recall some complaints about the naval battles in the Wii U version. Some game writer said it wasn't a good idea to use the GamePad's screen to look down at while in the middle of the doing the naval battles because it isn't very practical.
Unreal 3 is scalable.