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Kokoloko85
Member
Was hoping for a PS5/PSVR2 version
lh032
I cry about Xbox and hate PlayStation.
the problem with this game:
1) Its a tool, not a game.
2) Majority of gamers are not going to spend time creating something.
3) The only minority hardcore fans (probably 1%) creates something nice and impressive.
4) no MTX, no fees, no subscription, knew this game wont last for long as MM unable to generate profits, lets not talk about physical/digital sales.
1) Its a tool, not a game.
2) Majority of gamers are not going to spend time creating something.
3) The only minority hardcore fans (probably 1%) creates something nice and impressive.
4) no MTX, no fees, no subscription, knew this game wont last for long as MM unable to generate profits, lets not talk about physical/digital sales.
Gojiira
Member
Really cant be down played how good an idea Dreams was, wasted potential for sure. It needed a PC/PS5 release and the exporter would have been phenomenal for STL making.
Still at least next game will be PS5 at least, I hope its as content rich as Little Big Planet or as creative as Tearaway.
Still at least next game will be PS5 at least, I hope its as content rich as Little Big Planet or as creative as Tearaway.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
they fucked up.
they had a Roblox competitor right there.
they had a Roblox competitor right there.
DEAD ORIGINAL
Member
Media Molecule can finally make a game
ChuckeRearmed
Member
Should have ported to PC but oh well on PC there is Unity and Unreal so....
Luigi Mario
Member
It is another one of those ill-fated Shawn Layden era projects where Media Molecule were allowed to dick around for 7 years to make a game creator instead of an actual game.
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GHG
Member
Something like this was ripe for PC support along with VR integration.
GermanZepp
Member
I played Dreams for dozens of hours and i enjoyed my time with it. The music creator, the sculpting, animations. IMO hard tools that required effort to dominate and a steep learnig curve BUTT once made it was awesome the stuff you could make. Eventually i stopped playing cause the game put my PS4pro full on jet engine mode and by the time i installed on my PS5 i forget how to use the tools.
I have in the backlog other great games to play so i did'nt bother. Sculpting and 3D printing never make it. What a shame.
I have in the backlog other great games to play so i did'nt bother. Sculpting and 3D printing never make it. What a shame.
Bojanglez
The Amiga Brotherhood
It was an interesting experiment, but has seemed to have floundered with no focus on what it was trying to actually achieve. It seems like it will be supported in a limited fashion (i.e. will still work) and hopefully MM are now laser focussed on building more an actual game.
SidViscous
Member
PC has unreal engine and unity.
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
"they should have ported it to PC"
Unreal Engine, Unity, Godot, Roblox, Fortnite Creator, etc:
It flopped because gamers don't like creating games. The reason games like Mario Maker, LBP, Osu, Geometry Dash, etc succeed is because at the end of the day, all the mechanics, enemies, systems are all coded for you and all you really need to do is organize them in a way that fits your vision, in which these games provide gigantic amounts of user friendly tools and settings to make them happen. You rarely have to tinker with anything beyond the level creator to make what you want to.
A GAME creator means you gotta make that shit yourself. And the PS4 isn't any DS, there's no mouse, keyboard, or touchscreen. A PS4 is meant for big budget graphical experiences which Dreams is not. People sit on the couch with a controller to play games, not to make them. Anyone who was looking to ACTUALLY make video games wouldn't be looking towards a PS4 which is only there to PLAY them. Especially since Dreams games can only be published on Dreams storefront (which works for Roblox because it's free, Dreams is a paid 20 dollar product) and only played on PS4.
Unreal Engine, Unity, Godot, Roblox, Fortnite Creator, etc:
It flopped because gamers don't like creating games. The reason games like Mario Maker, LBP, Osu, Geometry Dash, etc succeed is because at the end of the day, all the mechanics, enemies, systems are all coded for you and all you really need to do is organize them in a way that fits your vision, in which these games provide gigantic amounts of user friendly tools and settings to make them happen. You rarely have to tinker with anything beyond the level creator to make what you want to.
A GAME creator means you gotta make that shit yourself. And the PS4 isn't any DS, there's no mouse, keyboard, or touchscreen. A PS4 is meant for big budget graphical experiences which Dreams is not. People sit on the couch with a controller to play games, not to make them. Anyone who was looking to ACTUALLY make video games wouldn't be looking towards a PS4 which is only there to PLAY them. Especially since Dreams games can only be published on Dreams storefront (which works for Roblox because it's free, Dreams is a paid 20 dollar product) and only played on PS4.
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GermanZepp
Member
"they should have ported it to PC"
Unreal Engine, Unity, Godot, Roblox, Fortnite Creator, etc:
It flopped because gamers don't like creating games. The reason games like Mario Maker, LBP, Osu, Geometry Dash, etc succeed is because at the end of the day, all the mechanics, enemies, systems are all coded for you and all you really need to do is organize them in a way that fits your vision, in which these games provide gigantic amounts of user friendly tools and settings to make them happen. You rarely have to tinker with anything beyond the level creator to make what you want to.
A GAME creator means you gotta make that shit yourself. And the PS4 isn't any DS, there's no mouse, keyboard, or touchscreen. A PS4 is meant for big budget graphical experiences which Dreams is not. People sit on the couch with a controller to play games, not to make them. Anyone who was looking to ACTUALLY make video games wouldn't be looking towards a PS4 which is only there to PLAY them. Especially since Dreams games can only be published on Dreams storefront (which works for Roblox because it's free, Dreams is a paid 20 dollar product) and only played on PS4.
You are, as usual wrong. But, at the end this is SONY or MM's fault, they screw up crusial desicions that a game like this requiers to endure time.
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
first off, how is this usual? We've never even talked on here before
it's a bad concept targeting the wrong demographic on a console that isn't suited for the task this tool is trying to achieve, while also being too dumbed down and ridiculously simple for any serious game developer to use...
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I'm nobody
Member
Job description in past shows mmo in make
SF Kosmo
Al Jazeera Special Reporter
MM aren't the fuck ups here, Sony had no idea what Dreams is or what to do with it. Their treatment of it was bafflingly antiquated. It's not a game, it's a platform. Selling it at retail for $60 is just insanely dumb.
As a product, Dreams does SO MUCH right, and fixes so many of the problems of past attempts at game creator products. It's YouTube for games. It allows you to explore and play games instantly with zero loading. Game creation is easy, powerful, and allows you to create everything end to end on the console. The voxel based engine simplifies performance needs so that creators don't have to manage things like polygon budgets or worry about optimization.
If Sony had the vision to include Dreams on every PlayStation as part of their Plus service, and to pursue alternate models of monetization, I think they could have been really successful. But they just didn't get it.
Elder Legend
Banned
ShadyAcshuns
Member
This just in: people want to play games, not make them.
hououinkyouma00
Member
Please no. Dreams was a failure for a reason.
I want Media Molecule to make a normal game again. They wasted how many years with Dreams? It's honestly surprising that they are still around as better Sony Studios have closed down after releasing much better products.
This would have only made sense if they monetised the viewer somehow.
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Whether it’s LBP or Dreams, it’s the same thing. It’s obvious it’s Sonys attempt to create a halo effect hoping all the PC creative types make community games and levels for the console crowd. Similar to Minecraft but exclusive to Sony systems.
The best sales and support for these types of games is having it on PC.
The best sales and support for these types of games is having it on PC.
Gobjuduck
Banned
These type of games can’t be exclusive to one platform, they especially can’t exclude PC. Sony needs to realize if they want their games to have longevity, it needs PC day one.
Sony’s investing in a ton of live service games, they better realize PC is necessary in the long term.
Sony’s investing in a ton of live service games, they better realize PC is necessary in the long term.
Luigi Mario
Member
Presumably 7 years or maybe even longer considering Media Molecule first mentioned Dreams at Gamescom 2012.
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Fbh
Member
It's weird that they never did more with this game.
No PC port
Not making it a part of Ps+ to increase the userbase.
It's not even on the more expensive Ps+ tiers (extra/premium).
Still, Media Molecule right now just seems like a waste of Money for Sony. When was the last time they made something successful? LBP2 over 10 years ago?
Japan Studio released a bunch of bombs too, but at least they made more than 1 game every decade.
No PC port
Not making it a part of Ps+ to increase the userbase.
It's not even on the more expensive Ps+ tiers (extra/premium).
Still, Media Molecule right now just seems like a waste of Money for Sony. When was the last time they made something successful? LBP2 over 10 years ago?
Japan Studio released a bunch of bombs too, but at least they made more than 1 game every decade.
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Tiago Rodrigues
Member
Then they better pray their next game is a good seller cause i can't imagine Sony supporting a studio without a hit for over a decade. I'm not sure how Dreams was profitable for the studio tbh.
I mean in 10 years their output was Tearway and then its remaster for home consoles (which was co developed with another studio. it wasn't even all theirs) and then Dreams that flopped.
diffusionx
Gold Member
Well, also note that MM didn't even, you know, make a game with these tools and engine they spent years putting together. Like I said, it all feels like a wank. I think this era of Sony is obsessed with "critical acclaim" and when MM got that BAFTA shit showered on them for LBP (which, editorializing here, is a pretty bad platformer with a great art style and decent tools) they just gave these guys free reign to do whatever they want. It's a huge mistake and a waste of time and money. I don't know the internals and who made what decisions here, I would agree there are lots of bad ones, and maybe Sony was incapable of properly handling this, which means that giving MM a blank check and like EIGHT years to make and "support" it was even more of a mistake.
I don't even know if MM is still capable of making an actual game. Like, if I was part of the dev team that made Tearaway (which, again, is excellent), why the hell would I have stuck around at this studio not making a game for a decade? It's just so weird what happened here.
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hououinkyouma00
Member
Yeah 7 years for basically nothing.
Take Evolution as an example. They had 3 years between Apocalypse and Drive Club and were cut 2 years after Drive Club. Now Drive Club was a commercial failure I'm sure but it was a much better product then Dreams and Evolution never really released anything bad in their entire history.
Their next game needs to be good or I can't imagine they last which sucks because I do think they have this vibe to their games which is enjoyable.
EverydayBeast
thinks Halo Infinite is a new graphical benchmark
Creativity is important in gaming.
AV
We ain't outta here in ten minutes, we won't need no rocket to fly through space
Nah, OP of this thread titled "Dreams is the most important new game in a decade", and I'm not gonna dig for him saying it, but there's a lot of gold to mine in there from other people too. Choice quotes includes:
"Dreams is going to revolutionize the gaming industry. Period."
"dreams will be one of the most important games this gen....." (no second guesses who this one was)
"It's absurd for anyone to have any doubts about this game, in terms of importance to sony's position as a platform holder, or the industry at-large."
"I believe Dreams is going to score insanely high in reviews, with an average score in the absurdly high 90s. I'm gonna say 98/100"
Some of the copium was off the charts. The OT was even worse.
01011001
your prediction in that thread was "the game will ultimately be a financial failure, the servers will be offline within 2 to 3 years and noone will give a shit", great job 
Luigi Mario
Member
Forget about DriveClub being a better product, Dreams was a total commercial flop in comparison.
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saintjules
Member
Has anyone even finished making a game on this?
Physiognomonics
Member
I think the main problem is the lack of multiplayer. In those days and age it's really an obvious omission.
I also think the technical complexity of the engine prevent them porting it to PC. At least the port should be a very hard endeavour and they lack the ressources of doing it. That engine could use all tricks available on PS4 SDK.
I also think the technical complexity of the engine prevent them porting it to PC. At least the port should be a very hard endeavour and they lack the ressources of doing it. That engine could use all tricks available on PS4 SDK.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
Porting this to PC would be a mistake and another flop. If you want to screw around with game dev on PC there are better and more established tools for that. I hope MM goes back to platformers.
touchfuzzy
Member
Not much to add that hasn't already been said -- I hope their next game is more of a traditional platformer that doesn't take so damn long.
sainraja
Member
They are not shutting the game down. Not yet anyway. So that is still yet to happen.Nah, OP of this thread titled "Dreams is the most important new game in a decade", and I'm not gonna dig for him saying it, but there's a lot of gold to mine in there from other people too. Choice quotes includes:
"Dreams is going to revolutionize the gaming industry. Period."
"dreams will be one of the most important games this gen....." (no second guesses who this one was)
"It's absurd for anyone to have any doubts about this game, in terms of importance to sony's position as a platform holder, or the industry at-large."
"I believe Dreams is going to score insanely high in reviews, with an average score in the absurdly high 90s. I'm gonna say 98/100"
Some of the copium was off the charts. The OT was even worse.
Gamerguy84
Member
Give it to PC. I liked dreams but was way to time consuming to make your creations.
ThatStupidLion
Member
lol - the amount of time & resources it was given for development only to end like this XD
MM is such a waste of talent.
MM is such a waste of talent.
AV
We ain't outta here in ten minutes, we won't need no rocket to fly through space
Fair enough, servers still up. But support being pulled because nobody cares is good enough.
SF Kosmo
Al Jazeera Special Reporter
Which, again, is only a problem because they tried to sell it as a game, but wouldn't be an issue at all if they understood the product as a YouTube or Roblox-like platform. And it clearly is.
And it really is inspired in that regard. Like the way you can just browse and hop into games is inspired and some of the stuff people made is incredibly cool. There was so much potential here.
I don't think you greenlight a project like Dreams to chase awards or acclaim, but then it's obvious that the business didn't understand the product so who knows what they imagined it as.