For a true comic, nothing is out, everything is made fun of.
George Carlin is the prime example.
George Carlin also made an entire show about PC which made a lot of sense.
For a true comic, nothing is out, everything is made fun of.
George Carlin is the prime example.
A reading of his point I agree with is that nothing should be off limits but the actual human tragedy of the victims of oppression. The problem is that the term "political correctness" means fuck all at this point. When a term spans a band of "wild cotton shouldn't be sold as decor" to I just wanted to express my dissatisfaction by saying "let's lynch that n****" and how dare you to correct me, it truly has lost all meaning (even if you have a hard on for Schopenhauer).
A video that makes the point better than I ever will:
Mel Brooks, The Producers and the Ethics of Satire about Nazis
He says he would not make jokes about the holocaust, not no one should do it.
I still think he is wrong. I have never seen blazing saddles though. Is it a racist movie or does it make fun of racism? Big difference.
Reminds me of Seinfeld, David and Gervais who said similar things about political correctness, but I never found anything racist in their work so I am confused what they are talking about.
Fossil eh, nice respect for age friend.
He shouldn't have to. If you're going to claim he's a hypocrite, then let him say nobody should tell holocaust jokes, but that's not what he said was it?
Mel Brooks can do what he wants.
My criticism of his personal view here is that he doesn't seem to acknowledge that other people might be operating from the same position he is, because he ties his view to such a loaded statement "PC is the death of comedy."
How about...maybe, comedy is evolving. Like it always has and will continue to. And if that means more people are being aware of the historical sensitivities of other groups, what's the big deal? That your racist joke won't be met with the same overwhelming social acceptance it once would have been?
It's more than the death of comedy, it will be the death of modern civilization.
The problem is regular people think they're funny because they find things funny. Not everybody who has a dark sense of humor should be telling dark jokes publicly. Political correctness means about as much to comedy as holy scripture means to astrophysics. Your ability to laugh at things does not make you Comedian, capital C.
The best, most talented comedians can find the right angle of attack for the darkest, most abhorrent subjects without offended rational, smart people. That's why we should leave comedy to the professionals.
He's 91 and Jewish. He also fought as a soldier in the battle of the bulge in world war 2. I imagine that has a lot to do with it.I'd be interested to know why it is Brooks wouldn't do holocaust stuff
Comedy is an abstract thing. It is not able to evolve into anything. It's the opinions of people that change. And if the opinions change enough, they can suppress what that abstract thing can be.
I'd be interested to know why it is Brooks wouldn't do holocaust stuff
He's 91 and Jewish. He also fought as a soldier in the battle of the bulge in world war 2. I imagine that has a lot to do with it.
He served in WWII so I wouldn't be surprised if he just saw (or heard first person accounts of more likely) some incredibly horrible shit that makes him not want to revisit those specific topics when creating material.
Seems to be the most likely answer to me. He's done plenty of content about the war and such already.
The problem is regular people think they're funny because they find things funny. Not everybody who has a dark sense of humor should be telling dark jokes publicly. Political correctness means about as much to comedy as holy scripture means to astrophysics. Your ability to laugh at things does not make you Comedian, capital C.
The best, most talented comedians can find the right angle of attack for the darkest, most abhorrent subjects without offending rational, smart people. That's why we should leave comedy to the professionals.
Yeah but your post said you'd be interested to know why he wouldn't tell holocaust jokes. First hand experience of fighting against the nazis during world war 2 is probably the reason.I know who Mel Brooks is guys lol
Yeah but your post said you'd be interested to know why he wouldn't tell holocaust jokes. First hand experience of fighting against the nazis during world war 2 is probably the reason.
Fossil eh, nice respect for age friend.
I dont think the latter is politically incorrect, though. Especially if it makes fun of bigots and portrays them as idiots.Then I think I'd say that you agree with what Brooks is saying. That there is no topic that should be completely off limits. What you have issue with (and, in my mind, rightly so) is mean-spirited humor. Essentially the difference between "Lets laugh at the Jews suffering" vs. "Lets laugh at the Jew's suffering"
Being old does not earn you automatic respect for misguided views.
Fair enough and I apologise for twisting your views, but in that case can you give examples of the kind of backlash you are talking about? Because I can think of examples of people saying things where the joke was "lol racism" and being rightly called out for it, and I can think of examples of people not liking certain topics in jokes, but I can't think of much to support the idea that tasteful jokes on a controversial subject has led to censorship and/or careers being ruined. Not enough to support the "death of comedy" idea anyway.
The only examples I'm really getting are stupid people tripping up over (good) satire.
For fucks sake, some people in here. He said he personally wouldn't do those kind of jokes, not that nobody should or they are always off limits.
Why would anyone want to tell a holocaust joke?
Do explain.
Sometimes people need to be offended. Abuse of political correctness is how we end up with Nazis freely marching in our streets.
Sometimes people need to be offended. Abuse of political correctness is how we end up with Nazis freely marching in our streets.
I guess for a recent example how people were calling for Bill Maher's firing over his shitty joke. I'm fine with the consequence being lost viewers but trying to take away the whole show from his fans over one bad joke with an off limits word is some bullshit. Just call for an apology and move on. Rather a controversial joke be told followed by an apology and maybe a discussion about why it was inappropriate than a comedian hold back for fear of losing their job or advertisers.
And we got ourselves another milkshake duck
A dominant culture pissed that they now have to consider other groups is how we end up with Nazis marching freely in the streets.
Yeah, I meant I'd be interested in hearing it from him
And we got ourselves another milkshake duck
And we got ourselves another milkshake duck
...what?Maybe you should listen to the one guy that has done more to minimize and ridicule nazis than anyone else, hey?
this thread. you can tell who's young.
^ Isn't it cute how this term is soon going to be as ruined by hyperbole as "Fake News" or "SJWs"?